Re: Does anyone eles think Superman's origin is annoying?
Originally posted by Sparkz
I don't mind that he comes from another planet and everything but its the fact that he is so freaking powerful yet its his natural powers, now if he was a god it wouldnt be so bad or he got his powers due to some accident but the fact is he's just an alien, and even though on his home planet he has no powers I just find it weird how if krypton hadn't gone boom then if kryptonians emigrated to earth (lets say they wanted a better tan) then there would be a race of gods.
You're right.
I think he shoulda been bitten by a radioactive alien when he was in high school.
Originally posted by Decay
something ive always been curious about, kryptonian from red sun + yellow sun = superman, human from yellow sun + red sun =? if a human was to have been sent to krypton instead of a kryponian to earth would we be strong, or do we still suck, like almost every comic portrayal of us says.
Your post is confusing and hard to understand. Learn to structure it properly.
What I think you are asking is if us humans were under the light of a red sun, would we possess powers? That is a no. Kryptonians absorb solar energy, kind of like photosynthesis. We do not absorb solar energy the same way that they do. Also, their gravity is MUCH heavier than our own. On their planet we could not move.
Think of it like this, when we're on the moon we can leap very high, etc. But if someone was born and raised on the moon, they could not do these things because their muscles are less developed.
Yeah... Fresh and new? Superman's been around since the 40's I believe.
The origin of Superman's powers and his powers in general bug me too. He bugs me for roughly the same reason Phoenix bugs me. They were just given their powers at birth. And they're omnipotent powers. Yes, I know on paper Superman isn't actually omnipotent all the tales I hear of him make him out to be.
He's an example of a person power gaming in D&D or some other rpg, or someone who uses cheat codes in a first person shooter. Or those silly maps on Warcraft 3 where you can amp your hero to have stats into the thousands.
His weaknesses slowly diminish to the point where he can run for hundreds or thousands of years or whatever off his energy stores that it jades my thinking of his planet.
For the sake of the DC world, I'm glad krypton blew up and I'm glad the majority of the kryptonians died. This is just a wild guess but there must of been plenty of jerks. They couldn't all be plagued with the single character flaw of being too good a person like Clark. Think if they found out they could wrestle angels if they just sat in yellow sunlight.
And Phoenix... I just think the concept stinks and almost all the X-Men annoy me. Burn.
Martian Manhunter is awesome though. And Gladiator to some extent.
Originally posted by meep-meep
Sort of like Saiyans...
No, his origin doesn't annoy me. In the movies especially, it's presented beautifully and lyrically.
And it's no coincidence that he looks human rather than more alien. Kryptonians were a race of humanoids. It's because they were so close genetically to the people of Earth, that Jor-El made the decision to send Kal-El there, so he could be part of them more easily.
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
To use a quote from Kill Bill 2:An essential characteristic of the superhero mythology is, there's the superhero, and there's the alter ego. Batman is actually Bruce Wayne, SpiderMan is actually Peter Parker. When he wakes up in the morning, he's Peter Parker. He has to put on a costume to become SpiderMan. And it is in that characteristic that Superman stands alone. Superman did not become Superman, Superman was born Superman. When Superman wakes up in the morning, he's Superman. His alter ego is Clark Kent. His outfit with the big red "S", that's the blanket he was wrapped in as a baby when the Kents found him. Those are his clothes. What Kent wears, the glasses, the business suit, that's the costume. That's the costume Superman wears to blend in with us. Clark Kent is how Superman views us. And what are the characteristics of Clark Kent? He's weak, he's unsure of himself... he's a coward. Clark Kent is Superman's critique on the whole human race.
Almost the same thing can be said about Spider-Man, or Batman, or Iron Man and so on. Peter Parker, Bruce Wayne, Tony Stark, in a way they are fake, their real personality is Spider-Man, Batman and Iron Man.
Originally posted by who?-kid
That's a lot of bull.Almost the same thing can be said about Spider-Man, or Batman, or Iron Man and so on. Peter Parker, Bruce Wayne, Tony Stark, in a way they are fake, their real personality is Spider-Man, Batman and Iron Man.
I would somewhat disagree. Batman is the real person, Bruce Wayne is the disguise. Peter Parker was a shy teen who found an extroverted personality in Spider Man. Iron Man is just a convenient tool for Tony Stark to do good with; he doesn't have identity issues.
I never bought BB's line of Batman being above Bruce in terms of his personality. It just irritates me. Bruce Wayne was first. Bruce Wayne is the one that suffered the loss of his parents. Bruce Wayne is the one that decided to train himself to fight against crime. Batman is Bruce Wayne's creation. Bruce Wayne is what keeps Batman from turning into psycho.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
I never bought BB's line of Batman being above Bruce in terms of his personality. It just irritates me. Bruce Wayne was first. Bruce Wayne is the one that suffered the loss of his parents. Bruce Wayne is the one that decided to train himself to fight against crime. Batman is Bruce Wayne's creation. Bruce Wayne is what keeps Batman from turning into psycho.
A lot of DC writers & editors - like Denny O'Neil, who mentored Frank Miller - over the past few decades, agree that Batman is Bruce Wayne's true persona. He has little interest in his daytime life out of costume.
Originally posted by roughrider
A lot of DC writers & editors - like Denny O'Neil, who mentored Frank Miller - over the past few decades, agree that Batman is Bruce Wayne's true persona. He has little interest in his daytime life out of costume.
But he still has to put on a costume to become Batman...Superman has to put on a costume to become Clark Kent...
Originally posted by Darth MacabreActually, he takes the costume off to become Bruce Wayne. Batman is definately the superior in Bruce Wayne's psyche. It can easily be seen in Bruce Wayne Fugutive, when he himself said Bruce Wayne is a mask Batman wears to infiltrate society. The thing about it is, they must coexist... Batman relies on Bruce, and Bruce needs Batman to not be just a scared little rich boy. Batman is pretty much the definition of the old phrase "Don't go hunting monsters, lest ye become a monster yourself". Batman is about as a crazy as the guys he chases around.
But he still has to put on a costume to become Batman...Superman has to put on a costume to become Clark Kent...
Originally posted by Superherovandal
isnt it unfair to say his origin is annoying. i mean he was the first one with it. and there are plenty who were born with more power. MM, Genis Vell. etc.
Superman's just made out better than he should be.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
I never bought BB's line of Batman being above Bruce in terms of his personality. It just irritates me. Bruce Wayne was first. Bruce Wayne is the one that suffered the loss of his parents. Bruce Wayne is the one that decided to train himself to fight against crime. Batman is Bruce Wayne's creation. Bruce Wayne is what keeps Batman from turning into psycho.
I agree with the forumer that says superman is superman clark kent is his disguise, you see his name is kal el, he never was originally clark kent, he adopted the name to blend in, his new family gave him the name, superman is the next step of kal el, he never was clark kent, bruce wayne was born, grew up and lived as bruce wayne, peter parker was born, grew up and lived as peter parker, it aint hard to see that they are different and superman beats them all!!! ahhhhh! lol well he's the defining hero of the aformentioned heroes
Originally posted by Juntai
But... the Kryptonians were considered a godlike race anyways...
They didn't need a yellow sun, they liked Krypton.
If someone came to Krypton, they could kill Kryptonians. They are not godlike. They're under a red sun, they're mortal.
It's only a yellow sun that gives them their powers.
Jesus H Christ...
Don't come in here if you don't know shit about Superman.