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Sin Harvest Sonic Speed
Originally posted by Legion_of_Maul
true, but yoda reacted to every death but mace's doesn't that seem wierd since mace and yoda worked together for so long that yoda may have developed a force bond with mace?

Wrong. Yoda was hit by Palpatine's force lighting from a distance and had time to recover. He managed to reflect Palpatine's lighting the second time but was too close and hit by the after shock. He didn't fall all the way due to the Chancellor's pod thingy which saved his life.

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Originally posted by Legion_of_Maul
no, you make good points vious.

Thanks 🙂 Like I said, I can accept that Mace was dead, Lucas even said in the commentary that all Sam asked for was a cool death. I just think that there's enough evidence and precedent that he could have survived if they then wanted to then bring the character into the TV series and explain how he survived 🙂

Legion_of_Maul Cool Joe.

he could have a tricked out robo arm...

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by Legion_of_Maul
he could have a tricked out robo arm...

He could indeed 😉 Worked well for the Anakin and Luke 😉

overlord OD'd

Originally posted by Pyro Tyrannus
Mace is deader than disco. As is Count Dooku sadly. . .
Awww.. I feel your pain, I still mourn his death aswell and cry myself to sleep aswell.

Legion_of_Maul Cool Joe.

i wont, it was a day of celebratio for all maul fans worldwide...

((The_Anomaly)) 2003 Super Senior Member

I'd just like to point out that ridiculous feats done by Windu in the CW cartoons are non-canon as they contradict what any of the characters can do in the movies/ books etc. Jedi feats are thrown out of proportion in CW, because its a cartoon and as such they can do stupid things.

Mace is dead, there is no way he survived. Live with it.

Razielim KGB

Then explain the existence of Lando!

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
I'd just like to point out that ridiculous feats done by Windu in the CW cartoons are non-canon as they contradict what any of the characters can do in the movies/ books etc. Jedi feats are thrown out of proportion in CW, because its a cartoon and as such they can do stupid things.

Mace is dead, there is no way he survived. Live with it.


Sorry, but the CW cartoons are as valid canon as the movies, particularly the events that transpired in them. If the events in them are official, then so are the actions of the participants.

Darth Kreiger Senior Member
Originally posted by Darth Vious
Sorry, but the CW cartoons are as valid canon as the movies, particularly the events that transpired in them. If the events in them are official, then so are the actions of the participants.

Actually CW is considered EU. Did you know that the original Novels made in the 90's were for a time considered canon by Lucasfilm? Then Lucas decided to go agaisnt them, and just like that, they arn't anymore. And can you explain why they can't do what they did in the movies?

((The_Anomaly)) 2003 Super Senior Member
Originally posted by Darth Vious
Sorry, but the CW cartoons are as valid canon as the movies, particularly the events that transpired in them. If the events in them are official, then so are the actions of the participants.

First off, NOTHING is as valid canon as the movies.

Second, the CW events are canon, and feats that make sense in terms of the movies are. But things like Mace killing like 500 super-battle droids with the force and his fists alone is not. It goes against everything displayed in the movies, and books etc. that Mace is capable of. In general terms, if it was true, then in Shatterpoint Mace woulda kicked the crap outta Kar vastor, but he lost (yet in the CW cartoons he can punch through durasteel, but somehow later on he cant punch through human flash?). As well he would simply walk into a battle and use the force to wipe out hundreds of droids, but he cant. It makes no sense, so its not canon.

But, the fact that Mace was involved in the battle is still canon, as well as the battles outcome. But some specific feats are not.

Needless to say all the CW cartoons will soon be rendered N-Canon, when Lucas does the CG CW show.

Legion_of_Maul Cool Joe.

when is that coming out anyways.

((The_Anomaly)) 2003 Super Senior Member

Not sure, I think the official word is the episodes will start airing sometime in 2007.

Though I'm not 100% positive about that.

Legion_of_Maul Cool Joe.

i'm gunna DVR every single epsiode.

Darth_Glentract The Truest Sith Lord
Originally posted by Escape81
He got his arm cut off,

So did many others. They lived.

Originally posted by Escape81
suffered intense electrocution,

Luke survived a huge amount with little long term damage in ROTJ.

Originally posted by Escape81
and was shoved out a window to plunge half a kilometer to the streets below.

He'd be a pretty damn tough Jedi to survive that.

Mace is a pretty tough Jedi for sure.. Look at Anakin's fall in AOTC. It's close to half a kilometer. Mace could survive anyone of those individually. I call him dead though.

Escape81 Restricted

*cough*

That's why I put commas there, instead of periods. The three things combined would be enough to kill Mace.

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Actually CW is considered EU.

Seeing as CW leads directly into RotS, and the characters are as they were in CW, I think that is is infact considered canon rather than EU...

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Did you know that the original Novels made in the 90's were for a time considered canon by Lucasfilm? Then Lucas decided to go agaisnt them, and just like that, they arn't anymore.

I didn't, but it wouldn't surprize me, as Lucas has a habit of changing his mind and retconning his story as he sees fit.

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
And can you explain why they can't do what they did in the movies?

Who says they can't do what they did? Just because you didn't see them doing certain things, it doesn't mean that they couldn't. The only character who was shown not to be able to do everything they could in the CW was Grievous, but, the CW also established the reason why he could no longer fight as well as he first could. The cartoon medium allowed them to do things without having to worry about things like wirework or CGI character replacements spoiling the look of the film, as it was done in one consistent medium.

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Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
First off, NOTHING is as valid canon as the movies.

My mistake, I should have written second only to the movies. As CW is a visual rather than printed medium, it is a higher level of canon than a novelization, because the audience is being shown what is happening, what the characters can do etc, where in a novel, the reader has to use their imagination to 'fill in the details'.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Second, the CW events are canon, and feats that make sense in terms of the movies are. But things like Mace killing like 500 super-battle droids with the force and his fists alone is not.

It can't be half canon. Either everything that occurs is canon (which you've agreed the events are) or none of it is. The acts are what 'make' the events, so it is all intertwined.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
It goes against everything displayed in the movies, and books etc. that Mace is capable of. In general terms, if it was true, then in Shatterpoint Mace woulda kicked the crap outta Kar vastor, but he lost (yet in the CW cartoons he can punch through durasteel, but somehow later on he cant punch through human flash?). As well he would simply walk into a battle and use the force to wipe out hundreds of droids, but he cant. It makes no sense, so its not canon.

But, the fact that Mace was involved in the battle is still canon, as well as the battles outcome. But some specific feats are not.


AS I said above, the feats and acts are what make the events possible. Who said that Mace can't punch through human flesh? Just because he did not do so with Palpatine, does not mean that he could not do so. Infact, a line from theTPM Visual dictionary may explain the phenomenon:
Faced with the mechanized minions of the Trade Federation droid army, Obi-Wan knows that he need not exercise the combat restraint he would use with living beings.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Needless to say all the CW cartoons will soon be rendered N-Canon, when Lucas does the CG CW show.

Lucas has not done it yet, so the validity of CW stands (for now)

felix111 Junior Member

is it possible he didn't die and went into hiding like obi wan and yoda?
but then why didnt he get in contact with yoda?
perhaps he became a ghost thing but who knows its another mystery but i think he simply died most simple explenation

Infinity Big Boss

hmm.. unless he didnt die. and went in hiding... prolly some EU author will write a novel on how the amazing mace survived the fall only to be surrounded by clones.. without a saber... and pulls a clone was 😛😛😛😛😛