Hollywood(Future Wonder Man) Runs The Gauntlet

Originally posted by Adam Warlock
I remember a tussle between Starhawk and Wonder Man here:

Vision in this future is no longer called Vision. He's Mainframe. He was the one who teleported Simon and Silverback right next to the Black Hole.

Also for this thread, it's normal Surfer VS. Hollywood, not the Keeper. The Keeper would probably straight out own Hollywood.

Don't talk with your mouth full of teeth. Man, when Wonder Man gets old he loses any comeback powers he had in his youth.

What? I can't hear you. Don't talk with a mouth full of teeth! Ner-her-her! 😘

umm, how did his not being pulled into a black hole reflect his strength? 😕 he's a strong flier maybe . . .

i know vihz was mainframe, but i DON'T know why you say he was amped. nor do i have any idea why you think hollywood is better than wonderman. he's not even a version of the ionic energy wm who seemed better than classic wondy. immortal herc beats him the majority imo.

How is he not better? Wonder Man died when Hyperion put him through a planet. This one takes a multiple solar system destroying blast, literally right to the face and is unharmed.

Originally posted by leonidas
umm, how did his not being pulled into a black hole reflect his strength? 😕 he's a strong flier maybe . . .

Originally posted by Validus
How is he not better? Wonder Man died when Hyperion put him through a planet. This one takes a multiple solar system destroying blast, literally right to the face and is unharmed.

He stood right next to it and was unaffected. He never even flew off.

when did hyperion put wm through a planet? 😕 do you mean gladiator?? wm wasn't actually even rendered unconscious by that attack, i don't think. he was just buried for a while and had to dig out. in the mean time, glads got punk'd by thor and living lightning.

and since he was in space, he must have been flying. it's not like he used muscle to stay out of the hole . . . just whatever it was that kept him in the air. unless wondy developed 'flying muscles' in the 31st century! 😛

but just cuz you're wrong here, doesn't mean you're not still my number one!! 😄

Originally posted by leonidas
when did hyperion put wm through a planet? 😕 do you mean gladiator?? wm wasn't actually even rendered unconscious by that attack, i don't think. he was just buried for a while and had to dig out. in the mean time, glads got punk'd by thor and living lightning.

and since he was in space, he must have been flying. it's not like he used muscle to stay out of the hole . . . just whatever it was that kept him in the air. unless wondy developed 'flying muscles' in the 31st century!

hmph. you're getting on my nerves . . .

so, did the asteroid get sucked into the hole? what did he hold onto to keep from being dragged in?

i'd forgotten about the hyperion issue. but hype has also been shown to beat the crap out of thor, so know surprise there. didn't wondy survive the negabomb explosion that wiped out the kree in galacticstorm? that wondy barely survived a slugfest with abomination. hollywood was also ko'd by vihz who certainly doesn't pack the wallop of a solar system destroying blast. what i'm saying is -- like all characters, wondy and hollywood have high and low showings (hollywood less of both because so few appearances) but comparing highs and lows of each, i still see no reason why hollywood would be tougher than wondy, experience advantage and confidence levels aside. pure power should have remained the same though.

Originally posted by leonidas
hmph. you're getting on my nerves . . .

so, did the asteroid get sucked into the hole? what did he hold onto to keep from being dragged in?

i'd forgotten about the hyperion issue. but hype has also been shown to beat the crap out of thor, so know surprise there. didn't wondy survive the negabomb explosion that wiped out the kree in galacticstorm? that wondy barely survived a slugfest with abomination. hollywood was also ko'd by vihz who certainly doesn't pack the wallop of a solar system destroying blast. what i'm saying is -- like all characters, wondy and hollywood have high and low showings (hollywood less of both because so few appearances) but comparing highs and lows of each, i still see no reason why hollywood would be tougher than wondy, experience advantage and confidence levels aside. pure power should have remained the same though.

Plus, the fact that he not only survived an explosion powerful enough to wipe out multiple solar systems at once and come out without a scratch really says a lot about his durability. Not to mention, he got the better of Starhawk, whose power has been compared to stars being born and who also has taken blows from the Keeper.

Originally posted by leonidas
hmph. you're getting on my nerves . . .

so, did the asteroid get sucked into the hole? what did he hold onto to keep from being dragged in?

Originally posted by leonidas
i'd forgotten about the hyperion issue. but hype has also been shown to beat the crap out of thor, so know surprise there. didn't wondy survive the negabomb explosion that wiped out the kree in galacticstorm? that wondy barely survived a slugfest with abomination. hollywood was also ko'd by vihz who certainly doesn't pack the wallop of a solar system destroying blast. what i'm saying is -- like all characters, wondy and hollywood have high and low showings (hollywood less of both because so few appearances) but comparing highs and lows of each, i still see no reason why hollywood would be tougher than wondy, experience advantage and confidence levels aside. pure power should have remained the same though.

Wonder Man's power level did in fact increase over time. Hollywood's high feats crap on Wonder Man's pure and simple. He was the strongest person on the Guardian team and single handedly fought people the rest of the team got trashed by, capable of hurting an amped up Dormammu, etc.

Originally posted by Validus
He was the strongest person on the Guardian team and single handedly fought people the rest of the team got trashed by, capable of hurting an amped up Dormammu, etc.

This guy Cuchalin was trashing the Guardians all by his lonesome. Look what Simon does to him:

For a second, I thought Silver Surfer at level 10... Surfer has almost no hand to hand fighting skills.. then it dawned on me... Wonderman is comprised of ionic energy.. like the hulk is gamma... When Hulk fought surfer, surfer removed the gamma radiation. So therefore, Surfer just also remove the Ionic rays that had gotten wonderman. Hence. Wonderman loses 10/10 against a surfer that uses his powers wisely. as he does every so often. Otherwise, surfer written by idiots to job just to showcase a pis storyline... well that surfer will win 1/10 only.

Originally posted by rotiart
For a second, I thought Silver Surfer at level 10... Surfer has almost no hand to hand fighting skills.. then it dawned on me... Wonderman is comprised of ionic energy.. like the hulk is gamma... When Hulk fought surfer, surfer removed the gamma radiation. So therefore, Surfer just also remove the Ionic rays that had gotten wonderman. Hence. Wonderman loses 10/10 against a surfer that uses his powers wisely. as he does every so often. Otherwise, surfer written by idiots to job just to showcase a pis storyline... well that surfer will win 1/10 only.

Your right. He wouldn't fare too good against Surfer. Surfer will probably stop him.

without having to get out my books, how do you know it was a multiple solar system destroying blast? in any event, the nega bomb was likely even MORE powerful (galaxy-class destruction iirc), and simon survived that. simon has been shown getting the better of thor, he's also ko'd thor with a single shot as well. in his energy form didn't his strength increase with rage or adrenelin? couldn't he shift his size as well? he's gone blow for blown with the hulk and has even beaten up the avengers!

as far as the black hole -- so no, the asteroid didn't get sucked in? did it have super strength to resist as well? 😄 and of course silverback was pulled in -- he couldn't fly.

i'm also curious -- when did vizh summon eternity? i have most of the gotg series, but don't really recall that. simon didn't do much to dormammu either -- galactic guardians did the only real damage, and of course krugarr.

so we have old simon: survives galaxy-level blast (though i believe he was ko'd and his powers were later mucked up), beating thor h2h, ko'ing thor with a shot, drawing against hulk, even doing damage to count nefaria AND having a very good showing against cosmic korvac.

hollywood: survives solar system level blast (?), beats cuchulain. the black hole thing makes no sense as a strength feat, imo . . . 😬

no evidence of a power-up, no mention of a power-up. simon's confidence was always a weakness. he overcame that problem apparently and improved his skill no doubt. i see no reason to think he was more powerful though.

as for mainframe --vihz could always interact with computers -- he was certainly better connected in gotg. more powerful though in his android form? why would he be? he seemed to have the same powers while they fought and increasing his connectivity wouldn't necessarily increase in personal power in a battle . . .

he could beat herc, but not the majority imo, and he wouldn't beat hulk the majority and certainly not thor. thor stops him almost everytime and of course reg ss kills him easily.

Originally posted by leonidas
without having to get out my books, how do you know it was a multiple solar system destroying blast? in any event, the nega bomb was likely even MORE powerful (galaxy-class destruction iirc), and simon survived that. simon has been shown getting the better of thor, he's also ko'd thor with a single shot as well. in his energy form didn't his strength increase with rage or adrenelin? couldn't he shift his size as well? he's gone blow for blown with the hulk and has even beaten up the avengers!

as far as the black hole -- so no, the asteroid didn't get sucked in? did it have super strength to resist as well? 😄 and of course silverback was pulled in -- he couldn't fly.

i'm also curious -- when did vizh summon eternity? i have most of the gotg series, but don't really recall that. simon didn't do much to dormammu either -- galactic guardians did the only real damage, and of course krugarr.

so we have old simon: survives galaxy-level blast (though i believe he was ko'd and his powers were later mucked up), beating thor h2h, ko'ing thor with a shot, drawing against hulk, even doing damage to count nefaria AND having a very good showing against cosmic korvac.

hollywood: survives solar system level blast (?), beats cuchulain. the black hole thing makes no sense as a strength feat, imo . . . 😬

no evidence of a power-up, no mention of a power-up. simon's confidence was always a weakness. he overcame that problem apparently and improved his skill no doubt. i see no reason to think he was more powerful though.

as for mainframe --vihz could always interact with computers -- he was certainly better connected in gotg. more powerful though in his android form? why would he be? he seemed to have the same powers while they fought and increasing his connectivity wouldn't necessarily increase in personal power in a battle . . .

he could beat herc, but not the majority imo, and he wouldn't beat hulk the majority and certainly not thor. thor stops him almost everytime and of course reg ss kills him easily.

Even if he only resisted the black hole's gravitational pull using flight power, that still says a lot. The fact that not even light can escape the gravity of a black hole but Hollywood could resist it without even straining is s great strength feat imo, kind of like when Superman uses his flight power to help him move the moon.

Leo is a freaking n00b.

Originally posted by Validus
Leo is a freaking n00b.

😆

Hollywood is a top tier brick. But I'm pretty sure he is still susceptible to energy manipulation attacks from beings like Surfer and what not.

Here he catches up with the aliens that killed off most of earth heroes back in his reality, and these things were thousands of years more advanced than the ones that attacked Earth.

Originally posted by Validus
Leo is a freaking n00b.

😄

Oh, for those of you who don't know who Cuchalin was, he was a Celtic God and he joined the Gaurdians for a short while. He defeated Drax The Destroyer in a close match within those issues. It was the big dumb version of Drax, but he went toe to toe with Drax in a slugfest.

Simon flooring Cuchalin in one punch says just how much his strength improved.

or it says how full of pis that scene was . . . 😖hifty:

no, how strong he was,