Originally posted by debbiejo
According to scripture a prophet can only be 100% correct or be burned/stoned/killed......who would that leave for today..........and were they always 100% correct, or is that just another story.
be burned stoned and kill, sounds to me like that one guy what's his name, oh yeah Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon church
Originally posted by debbiejo
According to scripture a prophet can only be 100% correct or be burned/stoned/killed......who would that leave for today..........and were they always 100% correct, or is that just another story.
I'm not sure what scripture you are referring to. Does it say if he is not correct that man will burn/stone/kill him?
I would have to tell you that no they were not always correct. Prophets will be correct when speaking for the Lord, but they are still men, and still make mistakes when they are not speaking for the Lord.
Originally posted by debbiejo
Duet 18:20 False prophets are to be [B]executed. How do you know who is a false prophet? By whether or not their predictions come true. [/B]
This isn't true as a measure of the validity of a prophet.
The prophet Jeremiah was so upset about his failed prophecies that he called God a liar (Jer. 15:18). Jeremiah predicted that King Zedekiah would "die in peace: and with the burning of ...odours" (Jer. 34:5). Instead, however, Zedekiah's children were slaughtered, his eyes were put out, and he died in prison. Jonah was commanded twice to go cry repentance to the people of Nineveh. Jonah then prophesied that the city would be overthrown in forty days (Jonah 3:4). The people of Nineveh repented, however, and God spared them. Jonah was angry with God that his prophecy and not been fulfilled, and the Lord needed to rebuke Jonah for his anger.
False prophets speaking in the name of God, should be killed is what is taught...
17And Jehovah said unto me, They have well said that which they have spoken. 18I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
20But the prophet, that shall speak a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die. 21And if thou say in thy heart, How shall we know the word which Jehovah hath not spoken? 22when a prophet speaketh in the name of Jehovah, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which Jehovah hath not spoken: the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Originally posted by debbiejo
False prophets speaking in the name of God, should be killed is what is taught...17And Jehovah said unto me, They have well said that which they have spoken. 18I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
20But the prophet, that shall speak a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die. 21And if thou say in thy heart, How shall we know the word which Jehovah hath not spoken? 22when a prophet speaketh in the name of Jehovah, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which Jehovah hath not spoken: the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt not be afraid of him.
I apologize for not reading the verses earlier. The common Christian interpretation of these verses is that they are in reference to the Messiah, Christ.
Deuteronomy 18:18
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee... (The Lord speaking to Moses)
This series of verses would then be referring to false Messiah's.
Now, I do not entirely agree with this interpretation. I believe that there must be some more to it than this. My religion states that anything a prophet says in the name of the Lord will come to pass. This would be in line with verse 22. I believe I should check the quotes I used for Jeremiah and Jonah, and read the full prophecies written to verify that there was not a clause in the prophecy allowing for the prophecy to be avoided. Now if the verses do refer to the Messiah and false Messiah's, then my statements hold all the same.
I am unsure as to the manner that the prophet shall die. It does not state the method.
Well I believe that speaking in the name of the LORD is what is meant....which the church would say was Satan then deceiving them....Funny though cause in many Pentecostal churches...you have people speaking in tongues and interpretation of tongues, which is supposed to be a message from god.......and I have seen in many many circumstances where it has been FALSE..Yet no one complains....hmm
Originally posted by Regret
I decided to start this because I myself don't understand the objection Christians have to God speaking to a prophet today.Here is the question:
What are the Biblical references that support the idea that a prophet cannot exist today?
An appropriate answer should also include your rationale for your interpretation if the verse can be interpreted in another way than your personal, or your religions, belief has interpreted it. In other words define your method for coming to your interpretation of the scripture rather than just saying "the Holy Spirit told me so." There should be support for your interpretation.
Well,I m a Muslim n v blieve that there is no Prophet after The Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallahu alaihi wassallum).My reasons? Well,the 1 that u said v can't use 'Cuz God told me so'.Other than that God has sent about 124000 on Earth 4 the guidance of mankind.The reasons y a Prophet was sent were :
- Bcuz the nation of the previous Prophet had 4gotten the rite ways n there was a need 4 another Prophet 2 revive the true message of God(i.e. God is 1).
- Bcuz the Holy book given 2 the nation by their Prophet 4m God was corrupted by the ppl n there was a need 4 another Prophet 2 falsify the corrupted scripture n bring the ppl on the rite path .
- Bcuz there was a need 4 a Prophet 2 assist another.
- Bcuz no Prophet had ever come 4 the nation 2 convey the message of God.
Quran is a complete book of giudance n Islam is a complete religion.There is no need 4 a Prophet after the Holy Prophet (sallalahu alaihi wasallum).So...there u go.
Originally posted by maham
Well,I m a Muslim n v blieve that there is no Prophet after The Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallahu alaihi wassallum).My reasons? Well,the 1 that u said v can't use 'Cuz God told me so'.Other than that God has sent about 124000 on Earth 4 the guidance of mankind.The reasons y a Prophet was sent were :- Bcuz the nation of the previous Prophet had 4gotten the rite ways n there was a need 4 another Prophet 2 revive the true message of God(i.e. God is 1).
- Bcuz the Holy book given 2 the nation by their Prophet 4m God was corrupted by the ppl n there was a need 4 another Prophet 2 falsify the corrupted scripture n bring the ppl on the rite path .
- Bcuz there was a need 4 a Prophet 2 assist another.
- Bcuz no Prophet had ever come 4 the nation 2 convey the message of God.
Quran is a complete book of giudance n Islam is a complete religion.There is no need 4 a Prophet after the Holy Prophet (sallalahu alaihi wasallum).So...there u go.
The following is not meant to cause offense to you, it is merely a series of questions about your beliefs.
Will another prophet come at some point? It seems that given divisions in Islam that there is the possibility of corruption entering Islam, is this possible given Islamic belief? How accurate is the hadith, I am unsure of the Islamic belief as to degree of accuracy that occurred during the gathering of the hadith. If I remember correctly the haddith and sunna came following the prophet's death.
Originally posted by Regret
I decided to start this because I myself don't understand the objection Christians have to God speaking to a prophet today.Here is the question:
What are the Biblical references that support the idea that a prophet cannot exist today?
An appropriate answer should also include your rationale for your interpretation if the verse can be interpreted in another way than your personal, or your religions, belief has interpreted it. In other words define your method for coming to your interpretation of the scripture rather than just saying "the Holy Spirit told me so." There should be support for your interpretation.
I don't understand why does it matter what Christians think?
Noone ever asks why Jews think something or why Muslims think something, or even more interestingly and debate worthy why Hindus and Buddhists think something.
Why is religion in general defined through Christianity?
As far as the thread and the prophets go -
Why should I bow down to a God which refuses to speak to me himself, but must send a MAN to preach to the rest of us.
Am I not worthy to be spoken to by this divine which will, may I add, ''smite me'' and ''send me to hell'' if I don't do what ''HE'' says?
Also, does Abrahamic God have absolutely NOTHING else to say to me apart from what ''he'' has said in Torah, Bible and the Qur'an?
Is that all he has to say to me?
''worship me or go to hell''? ''follow my rules or go to hell''
''dont have sex, don't eat pork, hate everyone who is having sex and eating pork, abortion is bad, gay peopel are bad, worship me or go to hell,...'' etc...
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I don't understand why does it matter what Christians think?Noone ever asks why Jews think something or why Muslims think something, or even more interestingly and debate worthy why Hindus and Buddhists think something.
Why is religion in general defined through Christianity?
As far as the thread and the prophets go -
Why should I bow down to a God which refuses to speak to me himself, but must send a MAN to preach to the rest of us.
Am I not worthy to be spoken to by this divine which will, may I add, ''smite me'' and ''send me to hell'' if I don't do what ''HE'' says?
Also, does Abrahamic God have absolutely NOTHING else to say to me apart from what ''he'' has said in Torah, Bible and the Qur'an?
Is that all he has to say to me?''worship me or go to hell''? ''follow my rules or go to hell''
''dont have sex, don't eat pork, hate everyone who is having sex and eating pork, abortion is bad, gay peopel are bad, worship me or go to hell,...'' etc...
Hindus are very complex, so I don't feel like getting into a debate on their beliefs. Buddhists are rather logical, and I don't have any disagreements with them on why they believe how they do.
I am a form of Christian, but not accepted by mainstream Christianity. Their reasons for the varying doctrines that exclude me are of interest to me. I understand their rationale behind a few of the conflicts between my beliefs and theirs, and no longer debate over those topics. This is a subject that I do not understand the rationale behind the stance.
The KMC religion forum is probably the most open and least Christian dominated forum I have come across. I feel that if I can get a Christian to respond here we can have a serious debate over the issues, unlike what would occur in other forums. In other forums I end up with a large number of Christians jumping down my throat for my belief, and very few actually responding to the questions in a manner that answers them.
I think the real question is, why do you feel so threatened by a thread like this? I believe that if you were in an Islamic country you would have Muslims instead of Christians and have similar issues with it (well, if they'd allow a non-muslim to actually comment on religion without bad things happening to them.) Same if you were in any area where a religion held the majority.
It matters because Christians are the majority in western nations. Everyone has to deal with a Christian at some point in the western world.
Originally posted by maham
Well,I m a Muslim n v blieve that there is no Prophet after The Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallahu alaihi wassallum).My reasons? Well,the 1 that u said v can't use 'Cuz God told me so'.Other than that God has sent about 124000 on Earth 4 the guidance of mankind.The reasons y a Prophet was sent were :- Bcuz the nation of the previous Prophet had 4gotten the rite ways n there was a need 4 another Prophet 2 revive the true message of God(i.e. God is 1).
- Bcuz the Holy book given 2 the nation by their Prophet 4m God was corrupted by the ppl n there was a need 4 another Prophet 2 falsify the corrupted scripture n bring the ppl on the rite path .
- Bcuz there was a need 4 a Prophet 2 assist another.
- Bcuz no Prophet had ever come 4 the nation 2 convey the message of God.
Quran is a complete book of giudance n Islam is a complete religion.There is no need 4 a Prophet after the Holy Prophet (sallalahu alaihi wasallum).So...there u go.
No offense but here is my interpretation, correct me if i'm wrong on your reasons of why God sends a prophet
sounds to me like one of the reasons God sends a prophet is because his people, which is everybody in the world, were corrupt, they were not following as he commands, and you say there is no need for a prophet today. sure there are groups of righteous people, but there are also those that are corrupt, by saying there is no need for a prophet, you are either saying God has given up on his people, which he wouldn't do, or there is no corruption in this world, which of course there is. I believe that there is always a need for a prophet on the earth, even until the second coming of Christ, at which point Christ will become our prophet and king
As far as the thread and the prophets go -Why should I bow down to a God which refuses to speak to me himself, but must send a MAN to preach to the rest of us.
Am I not worthy to be spoken to by this divine which will, may I add, ''smite me'' and ''send me to hell'' if I don't do what ''HE'' says?
He doesn't refuse to speak to you himself, we don't listen because we are too busy doing the things of the world, that we block out his voice. It is highly unlikely that he is ever going to appear to you, but he does speak to you, through the Holy Ghost, the spirit tells you if something is right or wrong in the sight of God, it tells you if something is true or not, but the Holy Ghost can only dwell with you if you are spritually clean, meaning you are keeping what God has commanded you. So here's a challenge, Pray to God, ask him, if something is right or wrong, keep your thoughts and actions clean, and listen for the Holy Ghost to give you the answer, because believe it or not he will. you have to be doing your part and listening though
Originally posted by maham
Well,I m a Muslim n v blieve that there is no Prophet after The Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallahu alaihi wassallum).My reasons? Well,the 1 that u said v can't use 'Cuz God told me so'.Other than that God has sent about 124000 on Earth 4 the guidance of mankind.The reasons y a Prophet was sent were :- Bcuz the nation of the previous Prophet had 4gotten the rite ways n there was a need 4 another Prophet 2 revive the true message of God(i.e. God is 1).
- Bcuz the Holy book given 2 the nation by their Prophet 4m God was corrupted by the ppl n there was a need 4 another Prophet 2 falsify the corrupted scripture n bring the ppl on the rite path .
- Bcuz there was a need 4 a Prophet 2 assist another.
- Bcuz no Prophet had ever come 4 the nation 2 convey the message of God.
Quran is a complete book of giudance n Islam is a complete religion.There is no need 4 a Prophet after the Holy Prophet (sallalahu alaihi wasallum).So...there u go.
Well, what people is going to admit that their book or beliefs has been corrupted? What you've said would tend to indicate that a prophet would indicate past corruption of the writings or their interpretations, rather than the existence of a book indicating whether or not a prophet is needed.