Superman/Wonder Woman vs. Thor/Captain Marvel (Shazam!!!!)

Originally posted by batdude123
Hold on here, I stopped reading this when I got to this point. WHAT??!! He knows many styles of Kryptonian martial arts. He throws down with the best. Not a good fighter. Pfffffft. 🙄

And he defently is outclassed by two fighters who have had thousands of years of exprience under their belts in Thor and WW 😛

Originally posted by UniOmni
Alright then. Thor fights WW, charging his hammer throws. They go ftl, so they will hit her, of course, damage nullified due to her braces staying crossed. Stalemate.

Marvel fights Superman and starts charging his punches, to make him feel it on the skin. Superman opens up with hv. Marvel hurts Superman, Superman hurts Marvel, but they both keep at it. It looks like the combination of hv, icebreath and punches are wearing on Marvel. He's hurt bad, real bad.
As Superman speeds towards him, with the intent to finish it, blood streaming his face and matting his hair, Marvel says the magic word. Shazam.
Superman, after the long fight, just can't take this blast of high powered magical lighting. He falls, his tattered cape descending over his inert body like a blanket. Marvel looks up, and with resigned eyes heads over to help Thor finish WW.
And he cracks her gauntlets with a grunt at best, since of course, he being Supermans equal, and Superman did so in S/B.
WW, her boon destroyed, only has the time to look up and see a relatively fresh Thor with a smirk, swinging the hammer at ungodly speeds. All she has time to say, is "by Athena.................End.

Is that not reasonable??

No, because in the scenario you just described, Marvel would not have even have enough time to say the words "SHAZAM." On top of that, Superman would just dodge it (it goes as fast as lightning which is only half the speed of light), and besides, he's taken the lightning strike before. Marvel could only really call "SHAZAM" if he had Superman in a lock anyway. The lightning bolt strikes down upon himself. Other than that, it's not bad.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
The whole thing with Billy and Superman is that Supes has the edge in skill and experience.😬

Since when is Cap Marvel anything but a hardened warrior?? Cap Marvel exists, even when its not Billy who says shazam. There was a story once, where it showed that Billy hadn't gotten empowered by Shazam, and Marvel had just kept on being Marvel. Heck, thats what they are basing the Trials of Shazam on. The empowered mortal influences the Cap or BA. But he's not brand new everytime someone else is empowered. its a continuing legacy. Marvel existed back from ancient times....How is he not more experienced than Superman?

Originally posted by UniOmni
The best as in Batman and other top tier ma?? Since when??
At best, i'd call Superman a skilled civilian. He has some know how, but i'd never say he can throw down with the best. The best is Batman, Shiva etc. Do you think that a powerless Superman can stalemate Batman?? Or even Nightwing?? Robin??

The "best" as in superhumans. Billy is actually less skilled than Superman is. 😉

Originally posted by UniOmni
The best as in Batman and other top tier ma?? Since when??
At best, i'd call Superman a skilled civilian. He has some know how, but i'd never say he can throw down with the best. The best is Batman, Shiva etc. Do you think that a powerless Superman can stalemate Batman?? Or even Nightwing?? Robin??

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The vanguards are unbreakable. I remember seeing the scan but I'm sure I recall circumstances involved... for one thing I remember that he's strangling her with the lasso that only she can wield.

Really.. if we're going to talk about obscure powers or one-offs... WW lassoed Zoom.. and no one she's facing here is faster than Zoom... 😖hifty:

Are you reading my post and then slightly changing them?😱

Originally posted by batdude123
No, because in the scenario you just described, Marvel would not have even have enough time to say the words "SHAZAM." On top of that, Superman would just dodge it (it goes as fast as lightning which is only half the speed of light), and besides, he's taken the lightning strike before. Marvel could only really call "SHAZAM" if he had Superman in a lock anyway. The lightning bolt strikes down upon himself. Other than that, it's not bad.

The thing with this battle i narrated, is that Superman is tired. Marvel is tired. So being tired, he will be slower, and weaker. Thus, slow enough to get hit by lightning, which is still fast as hell, and weak enough to be finished off by that lightning. I narrated it with fatigue, and the like in mind. People don't end fights as fresh as when they started them, unless the person they are fighting is below them and a bother at best.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor has constantly shown that he's able to keep up with Character's who's speed is supposed to trump his own. I really don't think that the speed advantage means much, but thats just me?

Cap M can't do with his magic what Thor can do. Thor has shown the ability to negate and absorb other mystical beings energy, meaning that he can absorb WW mystical energy. He can like the scan above shows, shrink Superman or paralyze him.

This is a bloodlusted fight, meaning that each character should be fighting to the best of there abilities.

Again there is an issue with Marvel superheroes and combat speed feats that has been mentioned before. Now while I don't think it's ever been shown that Wonder Woman even has "mystical energy" energy that can be drained, there are still two additional problems with this argument: 1. It is really just an assumption on your part that Thor would be able to actually do this to her and 2. It assumes that the enchantment on Mjolnir would be greater than the spell by the DC Olympians who created WW and gave her life.

Now maybe Thor could shrink Superman if he could actually hit him but then Superman could just as easily go invisible or start using his reality manipulating T-vo. See the problem? These exotic powers are just a pain in the ass and only seem to serve as plot devices as they don't see to be a part of the character's regular fighting style.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
Are you reading my post and then slightly changing them?😱

Originally posted by newjak86
Yet despite all that "knowledge" He hardly ever shows any of it if any at all. He has no feats of his "skill" Like WW and Thor do at least they make hints that Cms kill is up there all Superman can do is throw a punch it seems. 😉

And he defently is outclassed by two fighters who have had thousands of years of exprience under their belts in Thor and WW 😛

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Besides, what he MAY lack in skill, he more than makes up for it in fighting speed. 😉

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
😕 No... but my internet is going really slow right now so everything is lagging.

I brought up the Zoom and the Flash along with the rest of the JLA thing like two pages ago.tongue12

Originally posted by UniOmni
The thing with this battle i narrated, is that Superman is tired. Marvel is tired. So being tired, he will be slower, and weaker. Thus, slow enough to get hit by lightning, which is still fast as hell, and weak enough to be finished off by that lightning. I narrated it with fatigue, and the like in mind. People don't end fights as fresh as when they started them, unless the person they are fighting is below them and a bother at best.

However, like I said Billy would have to have Superman in a lock for the SHAZAM thing to work. Besides, what's to say that Superman wouldn't just dowse him with a FULL blast of heat vision (which he has never done before)?

Ahh, the days when Supermans villains used to actually be able to defeat him.....And to think, some dislike the Precrisis Era. At least villains had respect.

Originally posted by UniOmni
The best as in Batman and other top tier ma?? Since when??
At best, i'd call Superman a skilled civilian. He has some know how, but i'd never say he can throw down with the best. The best is Batman, Shiva etc. Do you think that a powerless Superman can stalemate Batman?? Or even Nightwing?? Robin??

I'd say 1000 years of constant combat in Asgard would make you slightly more skilled than a civilian, no? 😉

Not many civilians know how to paralyze someone with a touch.

Originally posted by LethalFemme
I brought up the Zoom and the Flash along with the rest of the JLA thing like two pages ago.tongue12

Whats a full blast of hv?? Reigniting the earth?? Billy has survived being turned inside out. That won't be a problem. See, the problem with these uber feats, is that they upset the average. On average, Supermans hv isn't the end all that many see it as. On averge, Billy can't take being turned inside out. supermans hv is powerful. But its not a stand in for the sun.

Originally posted by batdude123
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Besides, what he MAY lack in skill, he more than makes up for it in fighting speed. 😉

And what Thor lacks in speed he makes up for in reaction and fighting ability. Along with magic 😛

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Wasn't that in a different thread? If not obviously it wasn't a very memorable post 😛

Apparently it was memorable if you remembered it was in a different thread.mhm

But Kahnnie, if he fights brawlers in Asgard for a thousand years, what makes him above that?? Like my dad said about Soccer and the usa.
America won't be the best in soccer, while playing mediocre American Soccer teams. To be the best you must constantly be in competition against the best. Superman fights brawlers. So at best, he's a brawler. Its all relative. And i know nerve touches. Was in karate for years. Still would get my ass kicked by a true ma. Cuz i'm simply a civilain with know how.

Originally posted by UniOmni
But Kahnnie, if he fights brawlers in Asgard for a thousand years, what makes him above that?? Like my dad said about Soccer and the usa.
America won't be the best in soccer, while playing mediocre American Soccer teams. To be the best you must constantly be in competition against the best. Superman fights brawlers. So at best, he's a brawler. Its all relative. And i know nerve touches. Was in karate for years. Still would get my ass kicked by a true ma. Cuz i'm simply a civilain with know how.

Couldn't the same be said of Thor?