Gladiator (vs) Savage Hulk

Started by Dalak21 pages

Originally posted by Soujaboy
You yourself is a liar, it's just hard for you to see your own wrongs, because your always attacking someone else's.

Like the fact that you damn near cried yesterday because I stated the fact that Thor killed the Hulk. You see but you never bring up your faults, why is that?

Show me where I lied. Go on.

That's right, you can't.

As for you: http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=107944
Arguing that Ult Colossus could take Classic Juggs and misrepresenting feats

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=113425
You saying that Thor couldn't sever connections Juggs has with Cytorrak.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=111096
The thread I linked to the first time I was here where you never admitted you were wrong in over 10 situations .

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=119183
Insulting another poster first, mild insults admittedly.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=111078
Saying that Juggs could beat Superman.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Are you serious?

Have you not noticed that none likes Hulk fanboys? Have you not noticed that your the reason people started to hate the Hulk?

Have you not noticed that there nothing that you can bring to the table that won't change the fact that Thor can and has killed the Hulk.

You say I can't back my claims? of course not, since every time someone brings in evidence against the Hulk one of you screams PIS. How is anyone supposed to bring in proof against Hulk if every time something bad happens to him it's PIS? and you have the nerve to call someone else a fanboy?

Dalak was cool before he began to lose in debates and act like a ass. Your correct though he does challenge me, he challenges my patience.

No you never stated that Hulk could defeat Thor, in a nutshell you just said that Hulk was unbeatable, immortal, and would come back from any attack Thor threw at him.

Ofcourse we're not the reason people hate Hulk. Don't be ridiculous. And if we are, don't you think it's incredibly petty to start hating a character because you can't win a debate? I'm certainly not going to hate Juggernaut and Thor despite your ludicrous fangasms. It would be silly. What's even worse is that you choose to ignore cold hard evidence as well as common sense, just because you can't stand the fact that your claims have been debunked. And how many people really do know everything about the Hulk? Some guys here only seem to know him from the occasional guest appearance in other comic books or possibly only the tv-show. That's not a very solid basis, yet they keep trying to spew mindless hatred as if the character had just raped their girlfriends.

And we're only screaming PIS when it's necessary. Most of the time we just point out that his lower showings conflict with his higher showings, which makes it useless to debate his on panel activities without handbook knowledge and theorizing. Now, I'm still not denying that bad stuff happened to him. But you have to understand that that's exactly what's going to happen to character with a large, expansive history. Different writers, different takes, different scenarios. I mean take Juggernaut for example. His appearances are relatively limited, yet he his powers have already been undermined several times. He was stopped, he was knocked out and he was hurt. Can you imagine what would happen if he appeared more frequently and became more popular? Yeah, I thought so.

The "proof" you present is either conflicted by other writers or just not proof at all. And calling other people fanboys when you yourself can't even debate without making bold statements and straw man fallacies, is just plain pathetic. I realize you don't know much about Hulk, but at least have the decency to admit it, instead of spinning every word we say. So yeah, Dalak was cool until he started "losing". Nah. He was cool until you realized he was just as capable of disproving your non-arguments as anyone else. And since you have trouble admitting your defeat, you go on a circle jerking frenzy. Very not cool.

And I'm not going to tell you again what I said about Hulk. Because you know what I said.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Ofcourse we're not the reason people hate Hulk. Don't be ridiculous. And if we are, don't you think it's incredibly petty to start hating a character because you can't win a debate? I'm certainly not going to hate Juggernaut and Thor despite your ludicrous fangasms. It would be silly. What's even worse is that you choose to ignore cold hard evidence as well as common sense, just because you can't stand the fact that your claims have been debunked. And how many people really do know everything about the Hulk? Some guys here only seem to know him from the occasional guest appearance in other comic books or possibly only the tv-show. That's not a very solid basis, yet they keep trying to spew mindless hatred as if the character had just raped their girlfriends.

And we're only screaming PIS when it's necessary. Most of the time we just point out that his lower showings conflict with his higher showings, which makes it useless to debate his on panel activities without handbook knowledge and theorizing. Now, I'm still not denying that bad stuff happened to him. But you have to understand that that's exactly what's going to happen to character with a large, expansive history. Different writers, different takes, different scenarios. I mean take Juggernaut for example. His appearances are relatively limited, yet he his powers have already been undermined several times. He was stopped, he was knocked out and he was hurt. Can you imagine what would happen if he appeared more frequently and became more popular? Yeah, I thought so.

The "proof" you present is either conflicted by other writers or just not proof at all. And calling other people fanboys when you yourself can't even debate without making bold statements and straw man fallacies, is just plain pathetic. I realize you don't know much about Hulk, but at least have the decency to admit it, instead of spinning every word we say. So yeah, Dalak was cool until he started "losing". Nah. He was cool until you realized he was just as capable of disproving your non-arguments as anyone else. And since you have trouble admitting your defeat, you go on a circle jerking frenzy. Very not cool.

And I'm not going to tell you again what I said about Hulk. Because you know what I said.

Nice post big D, i feel your pain....................BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT

Hulk still was ko by Rhino, Namor, Spiderman, Doc Oct bested him, Wolverine has bested him, Juggernaut Bested him and well

Thor Killed Him.........

So, yeah...... 😬

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Nice post big D, i feel your pain....................BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT

Hulk still was ko by Rhino, Namor, Spiderman, Doc Oct bested him, Wolverine has bested him, Juggernaut Bested him and well

Thor Killed Him.........

So, yeah...... 😬

Yes. Years of history is going give you high and low showings. Even a limited appearance character like Juggernaut(he doesn't even have his own comic book!) was apparantly deemed ready for depowering and lower showings. What does that tell you?

Mind you, I'm not denying any defeat. But if you are rational enough, you'd know that some of those fights shouldn't have ended the way they did. But I guess certain scenarios do allow for different results. No doubt. A non-enraged Hulk being stopped in his tracks is nothing new.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Nice post big D, i feel your pain....................BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT

Hulk still was ko by Rhino, Namor, Spiderman, Doc Oct bested him, Wolverine has bested him, Juggernaut Bested him and well

Thor Killed Him.........

So, yeah...... 😬

From teh Rules Thread:

"Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline."

Now, Would you admit that Hulk has beaten Doc Oc, Rhino, and Wolverine beore?

Can you admit that Hulk no longer needs to breathe? (Juggs Fight go BOOM!)

Can you show an instance of Namor being beaten underwater, and/or Namor alone defeating Hulk on land?

If not then all those showings are invalid proof.

If you want to accept them personally in order to 'power down' certain characters you may, but it doesn't make it right, valid or true

Originally posted by Dalak
From teh Rules Thread:

"Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline."

Now, Would you admit that Hulk has beaten Doc Oc, Rhino, and Wolverine beore?

Can you admit that Hulk no longer needs to breathe? (Juggs Fight go BOOM!)

Can you show an instance of Namor being beaten underwater, and/or Namor alone defeating Hulk on land?

If not then all those showings are invalid proof.

If you want to accept them personally in order to 'power down' certain characters you may, but it doesn't make it right, valid or true

Listen, I could care less if you dismiss everything as PIS, it happened, Hulk is not invincible, everything we given you, you guys still deny.

Overload of Pain>>>>>>>>greater then Hulks healing factor.

Its how he loses and is KO, and so what if Namor beat him in the water, Hulk has unlimited strength, durability, stamina, so, how can he ever lose no matter the environment right?

Oh well, say what you must, you will dismiss this post as PIS also,

So meh......

Unlimited strength doesn't automatically equal victory.

I don't think Hulk is invincible, but when I see this...
http://img20.echo.cx/img20/6732/healing121os.jpg
http://img20.echo.cx/img20/2347/healing12a2am.jpg

...or this...
http://img198.exs.cx/img198/7175/healing14a1vc.jpg
http://img198.exs.cx/img198/3606/healing14b9zu.jpg
http://img198.exs.cx/img198/4638/healing14c1pf.jpg

... I just think him dying from having a tree in his gut is crap

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Listen, I could care less if you dismiss everything as PIS, it happened, Hulk is not invincible, everything we given you, you guys still deny.

Overload of Pain>>>>>>>>greater then Hulks healing factor.

Its how he loses and is KO, and so what if Namor beat him in the water, Hulk has unlimited strength, durability, stamina, so, how can he ever lose no matter the environment right?

Oh well, say what you must, you will dismiss this post as PIS also,

So meh......

Why do you keep ingnoring the nuances of the Hulk character? If everything was as simple as you put it, the Hulk could never have attained the status he has now. Seriously.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Why do you keep ingnoring the nuances of the Hulk character? If everything was as simple as you put it, the Hulk could never have attained the status he has now. Seriously.

So whats his status?

Originally posted by Apolloknight
So whats his status?

He's a popular, recognizable, yes, even iconic character?

Originally posted by Dinalfos
He's a popular, recognizable, yes, even iconic character?

So is wolverine, spiderman, batman, superman, juggernaut, magneto, thanos, flash, green lantern, wonder women, Capitan America, spiderman, Storm etc.

So the fact that ALL of these people have lost a fight before is UTTER BS, and from here on out I will dismiss it as PIS, because according to your logic, popular, recognizable, yes, even iconic characters, are invincible and should'nt lose, be ko, or die.

GG

Originally posted by Apolloknight
So is wolverine, spiderman, batman, superman, juggernaut, magneto, thanos, flash, green lantern, wonder women, Capitan America, spiderman, Storm etc.

So the fact that ALL of these people have lost a fight before is UTTER BS, and from here on out I will dismiss it as PIS, because according to your logic, popular, recognizable, yes, even iconic characters, are invincible and should'nt lose, be ko, or die.

GG

This isn't about losing a fight. This is about the nuances of a character and why it's important to not ignore the history of a character.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
This isn't about losing a fight. This is about the nuances of a character and why it's important to not ignore the history of a character.

Well, its PIS that hulk was killed, hes recognizable, and popular and he's my hero, so he cant be defeated. 🙄

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Well, its PIS that hulk was killed, hes recognizable, and popular and he's my hero, so he cant be defeated. 🙄

Sigh.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Sigh.

My thoughts exactly...

Originally posted by Apolloknight
My thoughts exactly...

Good. But why didn't you pull your post, then?

I got the whole glads hulk fight should i post it

Originally posted by A.J
I got the whole glads hulk fight should i post it

Which one?

There was only one... and it sucked.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Listen, I could care less if you dismiss everything as PIS, it happened, Hulk is not invincible, everything we given you, you guys still deny.

Overload of Pain>>>>>>>>greater then Hulks healing factor.

Its how he loses and is KO, and so what if Namor beat him in the water, Hulk has unlimited strength, durability, stamina, so, how can he ever lose no matter the environment right?

Oh well, say what you must, you will dismiss this post as PIS also,

So meh......

I gave specific examples to match yours and you dismiss them. I countered yours. And this is why I'm labelled a Fanboy and ignored?

Did I say that Namor's wins against Hulk were PIS? No, because underwater Namor >>>>>>>>>>>>> Almost Everybody.

Did I say he couldn't be overpowered? No, because Gladiator should have, Surfer could, and Thanos could.

I have never said that Hulk is invincible, I have never said Hulk is unkillable, and I have never said that All Hulk's losses are PIS.

If you think I have please quote me, until then stop putting words in my mouth. We "Hulk Fans" get enough of that from Hatah.