the greatest threat is mm. all the others have a very big weakness to exploit, except wonder woman, and she just cant keep up. he might get knocked around a bit but silver surver can adjust his beams to take you superman and gladiator, the power cosmic is much more than any being can tap from a single star, especially if that being has a huge weakness to a specific type of radiation that the power cosmic allows its user to exploit. im not sure about mm, the surfer would do better off not using fire on him and just trying to take him out physiclaly, amplifying his own powers to a point when mm cant compete. but i dont know about mm to comment on how easy this would be.
looking at the surfer, whos body is designed to withstand supernovas and the fridged atmosphereless space, id go for him. frying through a sun going nova straight into the coldest depths of space is pretty standard for him as far as i know. he can match or exceed anyone here in terms of any specific strength, but he has none of their weaknesses. surfer takes it.
i may be wrong, but last time i read surfer, he was getting slapped around because he holds back all the time. now i definitely respect silver surfer, i think hes capable of taking any one of these, especially gladiator and ww. but unless he is full speed running away, i don't think ss is going to be able to avoid a painful rain of blows from supes ww and glads, along with fernus blasting at his mind and body. in this situation, power cosmic and speed can only go so far. id give it to surfer fighting either of them individually, but as a team fernus, supes, glads and ww take this, with casualties. add gl in there, and ss has even less chance imo.
Originally posted by HisMajestyAC43
i may be wrong, but last time i read surfer, he was getting slapped around because he holds back all the time. now i definitely respect silver surfer, i think hes capable of taking any one of these, especially gladiator and ww. but unless he is full speed running away, i don't think ss is going to be able to avoid a painful rain of blows from supes ww and glads, along with fernus blasting at his mind and body. in this situation, power cosmic and speed can only go so far. id give it to surfer fighting either of them individually, but as a team fernus, supes, glads and ww take this, with casualties. add gl in there, and ss has even less chance imo.
WW the second biggest threat I said all her weapons.shock
I don't see SS takinga majority fighting one on one is a big difference then fighting alot of people one on one.
SS doesn't have the obvious speed advantage as some would think as he doesn't have very many combat speed feats and most of the people here have gone multiples the speed of light through space.
While SS is focused on one another comes from behind and knocks him down he gets tries and fight that person he gets stabbed from behind by WW. He goes to fight WW Superman side swipes him.
One on one he can exploit their weaknesses but together he will have a hard time concentrating to pull out off while avoiding other in coming attacks.
i agree that a normal surfer wont take this, he probably wont even come close. he holds back far too much, he knows how strong he is. if he didnt have the weaknesses of superman and gladiator to exploit hed go down either way, but he has the ability to replicate the type of ratiation that weakens them. even passively kryptonite will take superman down enough for someone like surfer to pretty much ko him straight out. the same is likley for gladiator whos a superman rip off. otherwise watching someone like superman be dropped when the surfer firgues out his weakness will limit his confidence a great deal. wonder woman could hold out a while, but she just isnt capable of the kind of power superman and the sufer are, and shed go down.
fully charged superman would be a huge problem, if he didnt have the kryptonite weakness, and if the surfer wasnt able to feed of the same kind of energy as him. technically the surfer should be able to tap the same amount of power from the sun if not more as superman, and he has other sources to draw from.
gl took on surfer once, not the greatest showing of gl's power, but sufer took him down pretty quick (within a page if i recall). the surfers most powerful ability in this i think is the fact he can remove other characters power sources. he can manipulate enegry, as in draw it into himself and draw it away from superman. after doing something like that hes more than a match for gladiator, and wonderwoman. then mm, who im still not sure about. superman is a great solar battery but it will do him no good if the surfer can manipulate the energy before it even gets to superman. mm is the deciding factor, and im not sure if he can or cant take it, but a serious and full powered all out surfer is equal or more than superman, i think hed eventually take it. the only chance they have is if they work together very well and not let themselves get seperated at all, and against someone as fast as the surfer who can cover the kind of distances as he can in seconds it will be a very hard task to acomplish.
I don't see Surfer winning this one. If he was written to his Full Potential, no PIS or CIS, AND if he were a better fighter, I'd say he wins the majority of the fights.
But a Surfer, like he's normally written, can and will have trouble against let's say Superman alone. It's not - unlike most people think - that Surfer immediately starts draining Supermans power or hits him with Kryptonite radiation or whatever while Superman just stands there and reads the newspaper.
Superman definitely has the power to give him a serious beating (not necessarily beat him though).
Throw in Wonder Woman, MM and Gladiator, and Surfer is toast. He wouldn't know what hit him.
Originally posted by newjak86
SS doesn't have the obvious speed advantage as some would think as he doesn't have very many combat speed feats and most of the people here have gone multiples the speed of light through space.
Kyle and Surfer fought in two crossovers. The fanvoted fight was over in a page and the other lasted a long time with both looking pretty even with one another. Kyle didn't do too bad against Thanos & Parallax but thats neither here nor there. 😈
I still think an "all out" Surfer would lose to an "all out" Fernus.
Originally posted by Validus
Good point. Digi brought this up in one of the tournament threads and I agree completely. Surfer isn't going to hit his vaunted 300x lightspeed before Superman can move 5 feet to the left and dodge.Kyle and Surfer fought in two crossovers. The fanvoted fight was over in a page and the other lasted a long time with both looking pretty even with one another. Kyle didn't do too bad against Thanos & Parallax but thats neither here nor there. 😈
I still think an "all out" Surfer would lose to an "all out" Fernus.
I scrolled down quickly and read that fernus part way too quickly.😂
Originally posted by Superherovandal
Fernus could do it by himself. Mind rape him.
god-like cable didn´t do it, i don´t think fernus will.
agreed that a standart surfer would loose, a well writen surfer could win.
cosmic awarenss do you know what it is? surfer has it he would exploit they´re weaknesses, you´re talking about WW, surfer could turn her into a donut in the beggining of the fight, and about the speed, it means he can move fast enough to fight against this team, faster.
MM is in fact the decising factor and if they work well as a team they have a chance even against a well written surfer, but batmans isn´t here to help them in tactic
Let me say on the outset that SS is my favorite character.
I'm also going to assume that this is Not the recently upgraded Surfer, mainly because I don't know what this upgrade actually means in terms of a new power level (for example: can Surfer now squash Thor, no questions asked?).
That said...
I'm having a very hard time seeing Surfer beat this team. Let's assume they are all well-written, including a coordinated team effort...
Team wins 2/3