Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't disagree with most of that, but the movie is quite literally a cult classic. It didn't get it's fan-loving "success" until well after it's course had run. That's why it was called the first cult movie of the internet era.It spread like a fire...like an internet meme, across the internets, earlier this decade. If you chose to be offended by what factually took place, that's fine...but don't blame it on me.
Did you think I pulled that out of my a$$ or something?
And, I really don't care about offending people with my opinions. The PT was better than the OT, for the most part, in almost every single way. I've listed those ways, and you even agreed with most of them. Sure, you can call the "blankie syndrome" a random assignment to an illogical phenomena, but that doesn't change the fact that I'm probably right about that, with quite a few people.
And yes, our senses of humor vary greatly. We are almost like opposites, when it comes to humor.
I don't disagree with anything you said, it just is unrelated to my point. I didn't say that it is not a cult movie. I didn't say that it did not spread through the internet after it had first been released. What I said is that I believe most of the people who do like it....actually like it for itself, and not because of some allegiance to an internet meme.
When we discussed Star Wars I think I also brought up the point that different people value different things in movies, so that the points you brought up may very well be absolutely true, but don't change that some people truly don't care for them that much. Again, it seems to me that you have incredibly faith in your personal opinion viewing it as absolutely right if people would just know everything about the subject like you do, or weren't unnaturally predisposed to disagree (i.e. loved the meme so much, blanky syndrome...). I just don't think that is how it is, I do think that there just is such a thing as different taste even if the same information and an open mind is in place. Some people will value goofy characters, others nice visuals, others again a tense and exciting plot...
Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't disagree with anything you said, it just is unrelated to my point. I didn't say that it is not a cult movie. I didn't say that it did not spread through the internet after it had first been released. What I said is that I believe most of the people who do like it....actually like it for itself, and not because of some allegiance to an internet meme.When we discussed Star Wars I think I also brought up the point that different people value different things in movies, so that the points you brought up may very well be absolutely true, but don't change that some people truly don't care for them that much. Again, it seems to me that you have incredibly faith in your personal opinion viewing it as absolutely right if people would just know everything about the subject like you do, or weren't unnaturally predisposed to disagree (i.e. loved the meme so much, blanky syndrome...). I just don't think that is how it is, I do think that there just is such a thing as different taste even if the same information and an open mind is in place. Some people will value goofy characters, others nice visuals, others again a tense and exciting plot...
Nice try, but you tried to pass of your opinion on the matter to counter the fact that this film is the first cult classic film from the internet. You countered with an anecdote. It was a meme, and it spread like a typical internet meme. Sure, people can like it for what it is, but it really was an internet meme. What does this meme mean? It means this meme may have spread to people that would not have liked it as much if at all, had it not been some sort of "underground" internet "cool" movie. There's something about the early 2000s internet folk being all groupie n'shit that I have no idea how to explain or even back-up empirically, but The Big Lebowski is far from the last example of this type of "stuff."
In fact, if it weren't for the internet, this movie would remain in obscurity, and most people would not have seen it that did see it.
And, if you didn't realize by now, I have always stated it was opinion. Even the blankie syndrome is an opinion with NO way to prove it as fact...unless we did a study on people that have not seen or know little to nothing of star wars. That would be interesting.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Nice try, but you tried to pass of your opinion on the matter to counter the fact that this film is the first cult classic film from the internet. You countered with an anecdote. It was a meme, and it spread like a typical internet meme. Sure, people can like it for what it is, but it really was an internet meme. What does this meme mean? It means this meme may have spread to people that would not have liked it as much if at all, had it not been some sort of "underground" internet "cool" movie. There's something about the early 2000s internet folk being all groupie n'shit that I have no idea how to explain or even back-up empirically, but The Big Lebowski is far from the last example of this type of "stuff."In fact, if it weren't for the internet, this movie would remain in obscurity, and most people would not have seen it that did see it.
And, if you didn't realize by now, I have always stated it was opinion. Even the blankie syndrome is an opinion with NO way to prove it as fact...unless we did a study on people that have not seen or know little to nothing of star wars. That would be interesting.
Nah, like I said, I didn't say that it did not spread through the internet, that was not my point. Really, instead of arguing long about it, let me just point you to my last post, everything in that still applies.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The pissing contest.
Really though, I don't think it is a "pissing contest" we have an obvious disagreement, argued it through and I suppose unless dadudemon wants to add something laid it to rest.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah, like I said, I didn't say that it did not spread through the internet, that was not my point. Really, instead of arguing long about it, let me just point you to my last post, everything in that still applies.
In that case, let me point you to my post that replied to your last post, which would then require to read the post of mine to you, before that.
Originally posted by dadudemon
In that case, let me point you to my post that replied to your last post, which would then require to read the post of mine to you, before that.
Well, like I said, I maintain that I didn't mean what you replied to, I really can't do much more than that, your post is just unrelated to my point.
I say "I don't believe that people like the movie for its cult status, but for it's actual plot and characters which are enjoyable to some"
You say "It was a cult classic of the internet age. It spread through the internet, almost like a meme and it wouldn't have the following it had would it not have been made known to many through that"
To which I then say "Yeah, so what?"
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, like I said, I maintain that I didn't mean what you replied to, I really can't do much more than that, your post is just unrelated to my point.
And I clearly explained how that's not true, but you ignore it.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I say "I don't believe that people like the movie for its cult status, but for it's actual plot and characters which are enjoyable to some"
You say "It was a cult classic of the internet age. It spread through the internet, almost like a meme and it wouldn't have the following it had would it not have been made known to many through that"
To which I then say "Yeah, so what?"
And to that I say, "ah, so you don't get it. Cool."
Originally posted by dadudemon
And I clearly explained how that's not true, but you ignore it.And to that I say, "ah, so you don't get it. Cool."
But you only explain how it is not true by putting words in my mouth. I did not argue anything but what I have stated repeatedly now, yet you keep claiming that I said something totally different related to what you said? Why?
Originally posted by Bardock42
But you only explain how it is not true by putting words in my mouth.
I didn't have to put words in your mouth, I literally pointed out what you said.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I did not argue anything but what I have stated repeatedly now, yet you keep claiming that I said something totally different related to what you said? Why?
It's actually because you don't see where you are wrong in thinking I didn't address your post.
Read over my posts again, and it will click. Seriously. Read over them with an open mind and throw away the thought that I did not address what you said. It may click if you approach it like that. To me, it's obvious since I explicityly outlined it for you.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I didn't have to put words in your mouth, I literally pointed out what you said.It's actually because you don't see where you are wrong in thinking I didn't address your post.
Read over my posts again, and it will click. Seriously. Read over them with an open mind and throw away the thought that I did not address what you said. It may click if you approach it like that. To me, it's obvious since I explicityly outlined it for you.
I have read your posts multiple times. The only thing you point at in my post is the anecdote, which you choose to believe was brought in support that it is not a cult classic, contrary to my repeated explanations that it was not. You understand that there could be multiple reasons for the anecdote and since I already told you that it was not the reason you assumed why do you continue to claim that I made that point?
Originally posted by dadudemon
No. Epic Movie was not hilarious. There were funny parts, but it wasn't that funny. It was funnier than The Big Lebowski, but not by much.
There it is, you're obviously not a golfer and your sense of humor differs from say mine, Bardock's or Tired Hiker's.
Personally, Epic Movie wasn't funny at all, granted, it was so bad I couldn't finish it, but I didn't laugh once of the parts I watched.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I have read your posts multiple times. The only thing you point at in my post is the anecdote, which you choose to believe was brought in support that it is not a cult classic, contrary to my repeated explanations that it was not. You understand that there could be multiple reasons for the anecdote and since I already told you that it was not the reason you assumed why do you continue to claim that I made that point?
Ugh. You're still missing it. That's only part of it. You need that piece mixed in with a few others to actually get it.
I would requote my posts, but that's stupid as it'd be a waste of time.