All or nothing

Originally posted by KharmaDog
In this forum I have been accused of being a tree hugging, Bush hating liberal and a Bush loving, media influenced republican zombie. It seems if you disagree with a person's point, they see you as the antithesis of everything they hold dear.

I see people trying so hard to get their point across that they completely ignore when someone agrees with an element in what they say because that person did not believe in everything that that person says.

We seem to live in a time when it's all or nothing, and I fear that it's that element in communication that is becoming the norm more so than the exception both on this board, and in real life.

Anyone care to agree, disagree or comment?

My dear friend, I would suggest that you take yourself less seriously and that you consider and respect the opinions of other more than you already do. And please don't take opinions so seriously - life is like a dart board where know one will ever hit the bull's eye anyway...because there is no dart board to start with. 😉

Originally posted by PVS
fiction is a representation of reality, and most of the times all you have to do is exchange a word: only an a$$hole deals in absolutes.

Originally posted by Karmadog
I don't believe in absolutes, it just seems to be the way things are heading. The ole "you're either with me or against me mentality".

And no need to worry about how I react to your comments, I'm interested to hear what people say, whether in jest or sincere explanation.

There is too much agreement and black or white today. People are afraid to be dissenters, and find middle grounds to arguments. I absolutely agree with your guys positions.

Would you shut up, you tree hugging, Bush hating liberal, Bush loving, media influenced republican zombie.

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Originally posted by KharmaDog
In this forum I have been accused of being a tree hugging, Bush hating liberal and a Bush loving, media influenced republican zombie. It seems if you disagree with a person's point, they see you as the antithesis of everything they hold dear.

I see people trying so hard to get their point across that they completely ignore when someone agrees with an element in what they say because that person did not believe in everything that that person says.

We seem to live in a time when it's all or nothing, and I fear that it's that element in communication that is becoming the norm more so than the exception both on this board, and in real life.

Anyone care to agree, disagree or comment?

Psychologists and sociologists were recently brought in to explain something here in DK. Recently the amount of harassment towards metro-stewards has risen. People will loose their minds and beat a steward if he asks them to take their feet off the seat, or go utterly ballistic and yell and scream if asked for tickets.
It’s especially prevalent among the youngest people, who see ANY reprimand as a personal insult or humiliation.

Besides – culture these days is permeated with the “either you’re with me or against me” ordeal. People have no boundaries between their OPINIONS and themselves, as can be seen here quite often where the most common fallacy is the ad hominem: Attacking the person instead of “attacking” the argument.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
I believe it would be far better if people could admit mistakes and grow. It is not weakness to learn. It is not weakness to outgrow a view point. It is, however, a weakness to hang on to one out of fear, or refusal to see sense, or due to a racist/bigoted stance that has no philosophical or scientific basis.

The problem, as I – most humbly – see it is this: Society today is almost obsessed with success. You are EITHER a success OR a failure! This causes great amounts of stress in our everyday life. We’ve completely forgotten that it’s ok to make mistakes – that gives development when we learn from them.
This EITHER/OR is the first step towards absolutism which is the foundation of fanaticism.

It's easier for stupid people to simplify and see things as black and white then it is too look at all the shades of gray.

Originally posted by BackFire
It's easier for stupid people to simplify and see things as black and white then it is too look at all the shades of gray.

Agreed. Things are either shades of gray OR NOT shades of gray.
Those are the only two possibilities people can choose from.

Originally posted by BackFire
It's easier for stupid people to simplify and see things as black and white then it is too look at all the shades of gray.

Originally posted by Gay Guy
Agreed. Things are either shades of gray OR NOT shades of gray.
Those are the only two possibilities people can choose from.

That doesn't make any sense.

Originally posted by PVS
only a sith deals in absolutes

Originally posted by KharmaDog
In this forum I have been accused of being a tree hugging, Bush hating liberal and a Bush loving, media influenced republican zombie. It seems if you disagree with a person's point, they see you as the antithesis of everything they hold dear.

I see people trying so hard to get their point across that they completely ignore when someone agrees with an element in what they say because that person did not believe in everything that that person says.

We seem to live in a time when it's all or nothing, and I fear that it's that element in communication that is becoming the norm more so than the exception both on this board, and in real life.

Anyone care to agree, disagree or comment?

I agree, you are.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
In this forum I have been accused of being a tree hugging, Bush hating liberal and a Bush loving, media influenced republican zombie. It seems if you disagree with a person's point, they see you as the antithesis of everything they hold dear.

I see people trying so hard to get their point across that they completely ignore when someone agrees with an element in what they say because that person did not believe in everything that that person says.

We seem to live in a time when it's all or nothing, and I fear that it's that element in communication that is becoming the norm more so than the exception both on this board, and in real life.

Anyone care to agree, disagree or comment?

I think KMC is too American. 😐

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
That doesn't make any sense.

Okay fine, how about this then.

Things fall into only three categories.

Category 1: Black
Category 2: White
Category 3: Shades of Gray

Originally posted by The Omega
The problem, as I – most humbly – see it is this: Society today is almost obsessed with success. You are EITHER a success OR a failure! This causes great amounts of stress in our everyday life. We’ve completely forgotten that it’s ok to make mistakes – that gives development when we learn from them.
This EITHER/OR is the first step towards absolutism which is the foundation of fanaticism.

I agree entirely.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
I agree entirely.

I disagree with her entirely. Now let's refer back to my previous post.

Originally posted by Gay Guy
Things fall into only three categories.

Category 1: Black
Category 2: White
Category 3: Shades of Gray

Let's now assume the following:

White = All who completely agree with Omega.
Black = All who completely disagree with Omega.
Shades of Gray = All those who neither completely agree or disagree with Omega.

So with that being stated, my point stands. Only three categories exist, or we could simplify it to two categories by using the following model:

Category 1: Those who believe in only blacks/whites existing.

OR

Category 2: Those who believe in only shades of gray existing.

Either way, only blacks, whites, and shades of gray exist. Those are the only categories. Anyone who sides with only one of those categories all the time is an extremist, and unbalanced.

Originally posted by Gay Guy
I disagree with her entirely. Now let's refer back to my previous post.

Funny, you are saying you don't agree with the "either/or" stance, but disagree with person who also doesn't agree with the "either/or" stance.

Take a moment to locate yourself so you can tell whether you're comeing or going.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Funny, you are saying you don't agree with the "either/or" stance, but disagree with person who also doesn't agree with the "either/or" stance.

😂

You stated that you COMPLETELY agree with Omega's argument.

I stated that I COMPLETELY disagree with Omega's argument.

By doing such, we've both taken an EITHER/OR stance to Omega's position of being against those who profess EITHER/OR arguments.

If you truly wanted to support her position, you would have responded with an "I partially agree with you" or "There is some truth to what you say."

Instead, you've just inadvertently exposed the logic fallacy in her argument.

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Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Take a moment to locate yourself so you can tell whether you're comeing or going.

I will my friend. I believe that it is also time for you to do the same. 🙂

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Funny, you are saying you don't agree with the "either/or" stance, but disagree with person who also doesn't agree with the "either/or" stance.

Take a moment to locate yourself so you can tell whether you're comeing or going.

According to PVS "Gay Guy" is a Whob-sock (and I am not referring to peices of attire for the feet). This seems to be a bad thing, so best ignore.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Seems kind of unreasonable to me - remarkably arrogant and hubristic. It is not wrong, nor once again weak, to listen. Nor to praise someone who is "high/better/smarter" then you. Granted, it is foolish and over the top to base ones happiness and self esteem on how people on the net see you, but at the same time there is no reason to act like and oblivious moron caught up in their own self worth - and I am sure we have all encountered people like that.

After all, how is it enjoyable or informative to jump on line, spray ones oppinions about and ignore any counter argument or actual debate? What does it achieve?

And besides, I can say with complete acceptance and light heart that there are "higher/better/smarter" people out then them me. And you. And everyone on this forum - it is a fact of life.

Amen! 😄