Some questions on God

Originally posted by badabing
The circle was a metaphor to show how something can exist with no beginning or end. God does exist outside of all existence though. God is the only real beginning and end. Nobody made God, He's the Alpha and Omega. God can't be described in terms of what Humans consider time. Say you died and went to Heaven and for some reason God sent you back. There are no words that you could use that would be able to describe God or what He looks like.

So, basically, God is beyond human understanding. That can't strictly be true, though, for we are made after his likeness, aren't we?

If God is beyond human understanding, then how can the Bible be the definitive authority on him? There would be no possible way to describe him at all, and clearly that isn't true either, for God describes himself in his Word. People talk to God, and describe it afterwards.

Of course, if you were to claim that God was only the beginning and the end, I'd have no way to dispute that. But it is an unsatisfactory answer, as there's no way for anyone to offer logical argument on the subject. And it offers no evidence as to why it is the Christian God that is the beginning and end.

In Exodus God told Abraham to tell Pharaoh, "I Am" has sent me to you. The word am comes from the verb, "to be, or exist." God revealed to Moses His self-existent, eternal nature. God uses names to give us insight or to describe Himself to us.

Now God has always been...He has always existed. This is why He is the Alpha, "Beginning" and Omega, "End" because He exists in a present tense continuum. God is the Beginning and End which means that He exist outside of time. God exists in a realm devoid of time.

Exodus 3:13-14
13 Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?”
14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

Okay, so God exists in a realm devoid of time. That means everything happens at once, takes infinity to happen, or doesn't happen at all?

Either way, the universe is also eternal, and if so, why seek a reason for the universe's existence.

No, the universe is not eternal. The universe had a starting point, a beginning. Scientists theorize that the universe is still expanding. Yes, it is still expanding at the same rate that God spoke it into existence.

But if there is no point of reference outside of the universe, then the universe came into existence at the same time as Time.

Perhaps you are right Trickster; However, what is the point of these questions?

I just want to know if there is an adequate response to them. I do not dismiss the existence of God, but I see several logical flaws in such an existence - at least in the existence of a God of Classical Theism (such as the Christian God) - and I am unsure of how people can believe in something so flawed.

Trickster, God requires us to accept Him and His Word with child-like faith. Hypothetically speaking if you had a son/daughter that is say, 6 years old and you told that child not to play with knives, that child shouldn't play with knives. You do not have time to explain every single instruction that you give your child. Your child should just trust that you have his/her best interest at heart and do as you say. How would feel if everytime you told your child or younger sibling not to do something they tried to psychoanalyze you. Asking you, "well why can't I do this, and why can't I do that?" You would get so furious you would probably shout at them and say, "because I said so."

Can you see what I mean?

Trickster, the time travel was just a way of explaining the whole eternal thing. I didn't say God traveled through time. I was making a point that if a person could travel through time, they would seem eternal because they could travel back long before they were born and travel ahead long after they die. The question of God seeing everything at once is correct. Think of it this way, a person on the ground only knows about the events that are in very close proximity, but a person on the top floor of a skyscraper would know events occurring from far away. It's all a matter of perspective. God can see everything at once but we can only see things from our own finite perspective.

"Think of it this way, a person on the ground only knows about the events that are in very close proximity, but a person on the top floor of a skyscraper would know events occurring from far away. It's all a matter of perspective. God can see everything at once but we can only see things from our own finite perspective."--Badabing

As Tony the Tiger used to say, "your right!" Wait Tony the tiger didn't say that. Any way you are right Badabing about God seeing everything all at once. God sees the past, present, and future at the same time.

It's not that just god can see all things happening at once, there are many theories that speak of other dimensions and things seen outside of time...Including multiple realities, universes, holographic in nature and such.

but it be rushing to say that someone's god could see into those as we don't even know if we can see into ours.