Originally posted by Soleran
So uh there wouldn't be alot of versatility in that then would there?
I was talking about how he said that Iron Man had the advantage in shields. 😉 However, Iron Man has more, but the powerful magical nature of her weapons makes up for it. The Medussa Head, the plane, the lasso, her bracelets, her sword, her tiara, etc.
Originally posted by batdude123
When Wonder Woman crosses her bracelets, she forms an impenetrable shield that not even gods could break. 😐
And though I've often heard about this 'cross-bracelets-get-a-forcefield' effect, I've never seen it...which suggests she uses it rarely, possibly because it's not that useful, this further being suggested by another observation: it seems whenever WW enters a really tough battle (eg, OWAW), she prefers her Eagle armor for added protection (specifically, those wings).
Originally posted by Tron
Basically.Tony Stark, sexyking, anyone else I'm missing (you know who you all are), if you all have a problem with each other, take it to the pm. Do NOT bring it in here, or any other thread in this forum.
And Tony Stark, for a character that you're suppose to be defending in this thread, you don't seem to be trying very hard.
Although the matter seems to be closed if you scroll a few posts up you will notice who the source of the problem was. And who was throwing insults at people about their mum for the simple reason they disagree with what he said. Oh and dont take this as me telling you how to do your job but i hope he was cautioned about the comment related to my mother.
Originally posted by Mindship
Strength - if we're talking moon-towing WW, then even with Extremis armor, Iron Man is outclassed by a factor of a billion-to-1, at the very least. And if we're gonna say Iron Man can power his armor up to this level, then I gotta ask: What the hell is his power source?! Even 1000 tons of antimatter per second wouldn't be anywhere near what he would need. Mind you: I think "moon-towing" strength is absolutely ridiculous. Nonetheless, I believe it is canon. This alone would make WW the absolute winner. Advantage: WW.Speed - I've never been able to get a fix on what WW's top flight speed is, but I seem to remember some scans suggesting it is Mach 10, at the very least, possibly even Mach 50 or 100. Can Iron Man match this? Possibly. Fortunately, the power requirements for this are nowhere near those required for moon-towing. Advantage: neither.
Shields - Why is this edge given to WW? Granted, she has her bracelets, but those grant a narrow coverage; they would be useless against a broad-beam or field assault. And though I've often heard about this 'cross-bracelets-get-a-forcefield' effect, I've never seen it (if someone has a scan of this, please post), which suggests she uses it rarely, possibly because it's not that useful, this further being suggested by another observation: it seems whenever WW enters a really tough battle (eg, OWAW), she prefers her Eagle armor for added protection (specifically, those wings). Also, WW Is vulnerable to sharp-projectile attacks, something Tony could certainly muster w/o much effort.
In short: I would give this edge to IM. Advantage: IM.Healing ability and fighting skill: I agree with TheKahn's assessment on these.
Offensive firepower: I would give this to IM, mainly because of his capacity for long-range attack. For reasons mentioned under 'Shields', I don't feel WW could effectively defend herself against IM's assaults, at least not for any great length of time. Advantage: IM
So...
IM - 3
WW - 2Overall winner: WW wins most fights because of her ridiculously overwhelming strength.
Perhaps "Defenses" would have been a better name for that category than "shields." I've heard the statement that her crosses bracelets create some type of force field too but like you I've never seen any scans of it. What I was basing my judgment on was a combination of her speed and the ability of her bracelets to deflect attacks.
Basically..
Originally posted by dawsey28
Look what her bracelets can deflect (Wonder Woman #21)
1.http://img222.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img222&image=ww21deflection11xw.jpg
2.http://img222.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img222&image=ww21deflection25hf.jpg
3.http://img91.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img91&image=ww21deflection34yb.jpg
4.http://img91.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img91&image=ww21deflection40gj.jpg
5.http://img213.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img213&image=ww21deflection53pu.jpg
and
Originally posted by dawsey28
The Power Company:Witchfire #1
Diana is immune to Nekron's dark lightning life energy draining aging powers and Her bracelets have the power to deflect any force sent against them1.http://img131.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img131&image=wwwitchfirenekron11ud.jpg
2.http://img131.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img131&image=wwwitchfirenekron25az.jpg
3.http://img131.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img131&image=wwwitchfirenekron38ev.jpg
4.http://img131.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img131&image=wwwitchfirenekron46sk.jpg
5.http://img43.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img43&image=wwwitchfirenekron56ij.jpg
6.http://img43.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img43&image=wwwitchfirenekron66fc.jpg
7.http://img43.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img43&image=wwwitchfirenekron76xw.jpg
combined with...
http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=JLA40pg11.jpg
and
http://img124.exs.cx/img124/5278/blindwonder7gb.png
For all intents and purposes I think she has the speed and reflexes to enable her bracelets to act as a makeshift shield, but again I should have picked a better name and explain my reasoning more. Sorry. 😮
(***all scans from the WW respect thread)
Originally posted by sexyking
Although the matter seems to be closed if you scroll a few posts up you will notice who the source of the problem was. And who was throwing insults at people about their mum for the simple reason they disagree with what he said. Oh and dont take this as me telling you how to do your job but i hope he was cautioned about the comment related to my mother.
I personally don't care how it started, I just want it stopped. Squash it, and move on.
Originally posted by sexyking
Although the matter seems to be closed if you scroll a few posts up you will notice who the source of the problem was. And who was throwing insults at people about their mum for the simple reason they disagree with what he said. Oh and dont take this as me telling you how to do your job but i hope he was cautioned about the comment related to my mother.
If you'd take your foot from your mouth and stop assuming that i was ragging on your mum... You will see again that your assumption was way off base. I was simply stating that your mum could concur with my assessment of you being "NOT" sexy and potentially sexless...Because she is your mum and who would know better she gave birth to you.
So just as you assumed about my "WHO's" English statement and were wrong. Your assumption in the way that I brought your mum into the conversation continued your waywardness towards my post.
And BTW I believe that the moon towing WW as you guys talk about so highly kinda had a little help towing it from some friends you may have heard of them before (Superman, Green Lantern, Martian Man Hunter... I believe I don't have the comic handy) So the % of which WW was pulling the moon comes under great scrutiny.
I'm pretty sure Iron man could tow the moon too if it was he THOR, Gladiator and Sentry don't you think? Then it would be the moon towing strength of Iron man.
And Mindship 😕
How is a supposed tally of IM 3 and WW 2 give an overall winner of WW?
Originally posted by Tony Stark
If you'd take your foot from your mouth and stop assuming that i was ragging on your mum... You will see again that your assumption was way off base. I was simply stating that your mum could concur with my assessment of you being "NOT" sexy and potentially sexless...Because she is your mum and who would know better she gave birth to you.So just as you assumed about my "WHO's" English statement and were wrong. Your assumption in the way that I brought your mum into the conversation continued your waywardness towards my post.
What did I just say?🤨
Originally posted by Tony Stark
And BTW I believe that the moon towing WW as you guys talk about so highly kinda had a little help towing it from some friends you may have heard of them before (Superman, Green Lantern, Martian Man Hunter... I believe I don't have the comic handy) So the % of which WW was pulling the moon comes under great scrutiny.I'm pretty sure Iron man could tow the moon too if it was he THOR, Gladiator and Sentry don't you think? Then it would be the moon towing strength of Iron man.
And Mindship 😕
How is a supposed tally of IM 3 and WW 2 give an overall winner of WW?
Well, Wonder Woman gave a good percentage of her own strength for that feat. Now, if you put Iron Man, Thor, Gladiator, and Sentry in that same position, just how much help would Tony be? He has never been shown to be at that level, and still has yet to be. So, I don't see how that helps your argument.
And, you still have yet to explain just how Iron Man can use his advantages to beat Wonder Woman.
Originally posted by TheKahn
For all intents and purposes I think she has the speed and reflexes to enable her bracelets to act as a makeshift shield...
That I would say is more the realistic counter than some alleged forcefield. I don't recall any Iron Man scans where he's demonstrated comparable reflex speed. This would certainly give WW the advantage when it came to punching-n-blocking.
Throw in moon-towing strength...and this starts to look like a spite thread.
Now what about Thorbuster armor? Or is Extremis still more powerful?
Originally posted by Tron
What did I just say?🤨Well, Wonder Woman gave a good percentage of her own strength for that feat. Now, if you put Iron Man, Thor, Gladiator, and Sentry in that same position, just how much help would Tony be? He has never been shown to be at that level, and still has yet to be. So, I don't see how that helps your argument.
And, you still have yet to explain just how Iron Man can use his advantages to beat Wonder Woman.
I'm sure WW gave close to 100% at all times as did everyone else towing. But the % the weight of the moon that she was pulling probably wasn't as high as the rest. And when you put Iron man in the group with THOR, Glads, Sentry to do the same thing he probably wouldn't be pulling the highest % of the moon either.
I brought the fact out because some may think that it was just WW towing the moon and not a joint effort of DC's best.
And what if Tony brought out the 100's of Iron man suits and all attacked her as he did with The Super-adaptoid could WW handle that? Unlikely. Thats just #1 way that Iron man could beat WW.
😉
Originally posted by Tony Stark
I'm sure WW gave close to 100% at all times as did everyone else towing. But the % the weight of the moon that she was pulling probably wasn't as high as the rest. And when you put Iron man in the group with THOR, Glads, Sentry to do the same thing he probably wouldn't be pulling the highest % of the moon either.I brought the fact out because some may think that it was just WW towing the moon and not a joint effort of DC's best.
And what if Tony brought out the 100's of Iron man suits and all attacked her as he did with The Super-adaptoid could WW handle that? Unlikely. Thats just #1 way that Iron man could beat WW.
😉
Aside from the moon towing feat, there have been several instances where Wonder Woman has proven herself to be in the same league in terms of strength as Superman and Captain Marvel.
As for Tony bringing out past suit, I don't think that would be allowable as he don't get any prep and they are not part of his standard equipment.
The mass of the moon is almost 10e20 tons...
100,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons...
100 billion billion tons...
Even if WW is moving only one-millionth of that, she is still towing a hundred trillion tons.
Great Caeser's Ghost! Can Iron Man do that? I don't know; I've never heard of him even approaching that, but I'm no expert. And as I asked before, if he could, what the hell is his power source?! It would take more power than all of human civilization currently produces--you'd need thousands of tons of antimatter per second, at least (which is why I think that level of strength, to begin with, is absolutely absurd).
Now, if you wanna talk, say, Iron Man against Justice-League-cartoon WW...now we have a contest, one Iron Man would likely win.
Originally posted by Mindship
Now what about Thorbuster armor? Or is Extremis still more powerful?
Extremis isn't a new armour, it's a process Tony went through to enhance himself so he could beat a guy that kicked the crap out of him.... it basically improved everything about him, strength, speed, intelligence, healing, etc, etc... it also allows him to remotely interface with computers and take control of them... the only problem seems to be that he might be going a little bit crazy because of it... I'm sure it'll all be covered at some point during Civil War
Originally posted by TheKahn
Aside from the moon towing feat, there have been several instances where Wonder Woman has proven herself to be in the same league in terms of strength as Superman and Captain Marvel.As for Tony bringing out past suit, I don't think that would be allowable as he don't get any prep and they are not part of his standard equipment.
There's also the lifting feat between her and Superman holding up The Spectre.
Spectre = weight of Eternity.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
There's also the lifting feat between her and Superman holding up The Spectre.
Spectre = weight of Eternity.
Slowed its fall, but yes its there.
Also Vision, Thor, Hercules, IM caught a huge ball Graivtron made that weighed thousands or millions of tons that fell WAY up and then they Threw the thing into the ocean..................I mean obscene lifting ffeats I would say go to WW however IM has some pretty crazy feats as well.
Also on the moon towing event it should also be noted that I have never pressed a Ford Explorer over my head but I have pushed one..................
