Superman vs Juggernaut (no superspeed, no forcefield)

Started by Accel19 pages

The biggest difference is, Juggernaut punches Supes into space, Supes simply flies back down.

Superman punches Juggernaut into space, Cain is stuck.

No, Juggernaut can walk back to earth!!1!

Lets see in one corner you have vastly superior alien race who is far stronger, has greater intellect, and nearly every power you can imagine. Then in the other corner you have a some what Super Strong mutant. Superman takes this one easily even with out the aid of his super speed.

"Juggernaut traditionally possessed huge power, of mystical origin. He had tremendous physical strength, a total resistance to physical injury due to his mystic spell of invulnerability; an impenetrable force field that he could summon at will (Though this force field was temporarily cancelled out by Thor when he threw his hammer and surrounded the both of them in mystical energies.); and unlimited stamina. His spell also granted him unbreakable skin, therefore making his forcefield an added protection in case he did not wish for a certain attack to touch his physical body. Due to the mystical energies flowing through his body, he did not need to eat, breathe, or drink fluids. As a vessel of mystic energy, he also possessed many abstract powers that had yet to be fully revealed. Finally, while moving, he could, essentially, not be stopped, except in extreme cases such as when he fought the Hulk (whose power level was put to greater effect by Celestial technology at the time), by Thor when he united his godly power with his magical hammer and fired a concentrated beam at Juggernaut, and the psychic being Onslaught."

I think it says "total resistance to physical injury". theres your proof that supes not only wont, but cant put a beating on juggs. Thats quoted strait from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cain_Marko

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Why would I prove something that you claimed? You stated that Juggernaut is vulnerable without his shield, and you need proof to back your claim. Do you have it or not?
I already did. Thors fists hurt Juggernaut without his shield. I wonder what Supermans fists would do? Magic or not he got his eye poked out.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
or Juggs punches Supes into space

game over

Punching Superman into space? That's gonna stop him? Souja you know better than this.

Oh souja Shatterstars sword is not magical unless you know something I do not. So can you prove it's magical?

And I just devised another way for Supes to win. The same way Nimrod did.

High frequency Sonics!

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I already did. Thors fists hurt Juggernaut without his shield. I wonder what Supermans fists would do? Magic or not he got his eye poked out. Punching Superman into space? That's gonna stop him? Souja you know better than this.
actually it makes no sense because Cain's Durability does not rest upon his shield in fact his shield is writte most inconsistenly when facing Thor.. The first time they fought it had a momentum halting spect to it that he has never shown again.

Basically Cain only puts the shield up whe he doesn't want to be touched. All that really happened in that issue was Cain basically became deopwered for that short period.

Shatterstar's sword was forged in a deminsion of Magic and Science and thus was the only reason why it could cut him.

Secondly it wasn't high frequency Sonics that put him down get it right. It was a weapon that was designed to specificly attack the nervous system with a very specific wave length of sonics.

Superman couldn't recreate the effect unless he could match the frequency and harness the attack into a single attack. Which he can't because he would have to been there to know what was used. Everyone yells Thunderclap after they see that scan like it like a loud bang is going to work.

Seeingf how Cain has taken shots that were desribed as the fiercest ever felt on Earth I doubt simple Thunder Claps are going to screw with his nervou system.

Originally posted by Newjak
actually it makes no sense because Cain's Durability does not rest upon his shield in fact his shield is writte most inconsistenly when facing Thor.. The first time they fought it had a momentum halting spect to it that he has never shown again.
[QUOTE=7690306]Originally posted by Newjak
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Basically Cain only puts the shield up whe he doesn't want to be touched. All that really happened in that issue was Cain basically became deopwered for that short period.
Well without his shield Thor pounded him down.
Originally posted by Newjak

Shatterstar's sword was forged in a deminsion of Magic and Science and thus was the only reason why it could cut him.
You have a link or reference of any kind?

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Originally posted by Newjak

Seeingf how Cain has taken shots that were desribed as the fiercest ever felt on Earth I doubt simple Thunder Claps are going to screw with his nervou system.

Who said anything about a Thunderclap? Superman can match any frequency wavelength by whistling. He's done it before.

There is another case of Juggernaut being hurt. Uncanny #102. Nightcrawler throws candle stick in Juggernauts eyes. Juggernaut says "yiaaarrgh" then proceeds to say "curse you goblin, you hurt me".

Juggy is one of my top favorite characters guys. But without his sheild he is no more durable than Superman is. He's still tough but not like he is when it's up.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Well without his shield Thor pounded him down.
You have a link or reference of any kind?

. Who said anything about a Thunderclap? Superman can match any frequency wavelength by whistling. He's done it before.

Like I said he doesn't need to have it up for his durability. He has fought Nightmare a being that was higher than Strange and he didn't use his shield.

Another big point is that Cain's Shield in that Thor Comic was always shown to be on but Cain has to mentally put that shield up. Basically he is as durable as he is with or with out the shield.

Next it somes from the idea that he comes from Mojoworld a deminsion of Magic and science seeing as Cain has taken shots from stronger people with better weapons I say it is safe to assume that it was either PIS or that is the only explantion.

That Nightcrawler event is worthless because I can name two instances when Cain had been surrounded by fire and was unharmed with his eyes open.

Once when he fought Deadpool he had Molten Steel pured on him and against Spiderman he had a Tanker Truck driven into him srrounding him in fire.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
. Who said anything about a Thunderclap? Superman can match any frequency wavelength by whistling. He's done it before.

Even did it again recently against Subject 15..or was it 17? either or he did it to the alien powerhouse

Originally posted by Newjak
Like I said he doesn't need to have it up for his durability. He has fought Nightmare a being that was higher than Strange and he didn't use his shield.

Another big point is that Cain's Shield in that Thor Comic was always shown to be on but Cain has to mentally put that shield up. Basically he is as durable as he is with or with out the shield.

Next it somes from the idea that he comes from Mojoworld a deminsion of Magic and science seeing as Cain has taken shots from stronger people with better weapons I say it is safe to assume that it was either PIS or that is the only explantion.

That Nightcrawler event is worthless because I can name two instances when Cain had been surrounded by fire and was unharmed with his eyes open.

Once when he fought Deadpool he had Molten Steel pured on him and against Spiderman he had a Tanker Truck driven into him srrounding him in fire.

Spiderwoman has also hurt him physically. Not to mention Hulk 😆 . And now that you mention Deadpool, he ALSO hurt him with shattered glass. Alright, Juggernaut himself said that he didn't feel it, but the "aaargh!!" says otherwise.

I'm not saying this means anything, though.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Spiderwoman has also hurt him physically. Not to mention Hulk 😆 . And now that you mention Deadpool, he ALSO hurt him with shattered glass. Alright, Juggernaut himself said that he didn't feel it, but the "aaargh!!" says otherwise.

I'm not saying this means anything, though.

He says a lot of things but he never shows any physical damage.

What did Spiderwoman do to hurt him.

Won't the 'naut punching Supes into Space KO Supes? Isn't it a magical punch?

Superman throughs him into outer space and Juggernaut dies, its that simple.

Originally posted by Newjak
He says a lot of things but he never shows any physical damage.

What did Spiderwoman do to hurt him.

Didn't say damage. I said HURT. By which I meant pain, or at least physical discomfort.

I don't know exactly, but it was posted somewhere in the Character ownage thread.

Originally posted by JediMasterLuke5
Superman throughs him into outer space and Juggernaut dies, its that simple.
How would he die? As always, you don't have a clue what you're talking about. It's that simple

Originally posted by brainchild81
How would he die? As always, you don't have a clue what you're talking about. It's that simple

The lack of oxygen, did that ever come across your mind???

Originally posted by Newjak
He says a lot of things but he never shows any physical damage.

What did Spiderwoman do to hurt him.


It was actually a double-team by Spider-Woman and Storm. They both zapped him and hurt him.
Originally posted by JediMasterLuke5
The lack of oxygen, did that ever come across your mind???

Classic Juggernaut is immortal. He doesn't need air to breathe.

Originally posted by Accel
It was actually a double-team by Spider-Woman and Storm. They both zapped him and hurt him.

That's right. Spider-Woman #38 I think. They didn't put him down but they did HURT him.