Spectre runs the gauntlet

Originally posted by Juntai
Your logic is horrible in every thread I see you in. Why are you even on this forum?

No one on here can really give him much trouble however. He still stepped on every enemy in Day of Vengence, even Nabu, the most powerful of the characters he fought, in the DOV: Special, asked why Spectre had not instantly killed him, and Spectre replied that "It does not matter how long it takes, only that it is done.", implying that he was definately a long shot from going all out.
And there is nothing to suggest that LT and Spectre are on similar levels, aside from role, especially when Spectre's feats outweigh his. And HOTU is still questionable when concerning Spectre's more high end feats.

Originally posted by Juntai

And HOTU is still questionable when concerning Spectre's more high end feats.

Originally posted by bigbran
how can you have more proof than absorbing the top in marvel, and a whole universe, and thats not even saying thats hotu's top power.

Originally posted by Juntai
Spectre has been shown on panel to be able to create and destroy universes and shaping the entire multiverse in the palm of his hand, spread himself across all of creation. He conquered Hell with a thought. On and on, like I said, it's seriously debatable, and his feats far trump LTs.

Spectre most likely makes it to 6, and may lose there. It's iffy.

However, there is no way he beats 7. HOTU is too much even for him.

then dont use day of vengence spectre sheesh and if it took the presence to stop him then who here could stop him sept HOTU, he even broke the fount of magic.

Originally posted by Juntai
Spectre has been shown on panel to be able to create and destroy universes and shaping the entire multiverse in the palm of his hand, spread himself across all of creation. He conquered Hell with a thought. On and on, like I said, it's seriously debatable, and his feats far trump LTs. When Spectre has gotten out of hand, he has only really been stopped with Gods influence, like when Jesus died and he decided humanity should die, Micheal under jurisdiction of The Word stopped him, in DOV, God stopped him.

Do you have this panel evidense? Because GalacticStorm has claimed to reveal panel evidense of White Pheonix of the Crown birthing Marvel's multiverse, when he has shown me no such thing.

I would appreciate if you show me this, because then this would prove that Spectre is actually stronger than Lucifer, Lucifer only created a universe.

Also your claim that Spectre conquered Hell with a thought seems unlikely as numerous debators have claimed that Spectre rampaged his way into Hell and forcefully subdued it. That is NOT the same thing as conquering Hell with but a thought.

DOV spectre is not too powerful going by on panel feats. He defeated some magic users and shazam that aint HOTU status.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Do you have this panel evidense? Because GalacticStorm has claimed to reveal panel evidense of White Pheonix of the Crown birthing Marvel's multiverse, when he has shown me no such thing.

I would appreciate if you show me this, because then this would prove that Spectre is actually stronger than Lucifer, Lucifer only created a universe.

Also your claim that Spectre conquered Hell with a thought seems unlikely as numerous debators have claimed that Spectre [b]rampaged his way into Hell and forcefully subdued it. That is NOT the same thing as conquering Hell with but a thought. [/B]

Lucifer > Spectre UL. The Wrath/Spectre is a fallen demon used by The Word/Logos and gets his powers from it. Hal Jordan while joined with The Wrath threw off the Wrath/Spectre and joined with the Logos. That is how Hal did that. The Spectre himself could of course do this as well. But when The Spectre asked Lucifer once why he was moving the moon Lucifer told him not to waste his time, and Spectre looked down and left. Spectre might be more powerful since hes connected to the Logos but Lucifer is 1000x more smarter. Power is rated not just powerwise, its also rated by how smart you are. Whos more powerful? I think you already know. 😮‍💨

in a constantine comic and no i dont know the exact issue, the presance gave most of his power to spectre which is like him at full potential, but DOV spectre had his powers drained off by alex luthor for his tunning fork of sorts, he still defeated ALL the lords of order and destroyed the fount of ALL magic, releasing some new bad dudes, in other parts of DOV satannus knew the spectre was comming for him, and so he opened a portal with an army of ghosts and such waiting for the spectre but he knew the spectre would prevail, they can say all this and that about captain marvel that his punches only made this much impact the point is that all the earth gods which where supposidly numbered in the thousands where feeding him his power and he still lost to spectre.

This is where I see Spectre in the hierarchy of DC:

From the Presence down to Superman:

God/The Presence

Death (has none of the "rules" of the other Endless)

The rest of the Endless

Michael and Lucifer (In DC they were the first two beings crated in existance [The Endless just were ] with Michael creating the first matter and Lucifer shaping it.)

The Spectre (While Parallax and Ion have the same reality-bending powers sans the rules of The Spectre, they're still mortals and don't have The Almighty in their corner.)

Biblical Eclipso (as seen in The Spectre v.2(?) #14)

Parallax & Ion

Imperiex

Lords of Order and Chaos (Nabu, at full power, was no match for the Spectre Force)

Angels

5th dimensional imps like Myxyzptlk

5th dimensional imps like Johnny Thunderbolt (Needs the words of another to grant wishes)

Superman Prime

The Anti-Monitor

The Phantom Stranger (Most speculate that he is or was an angel as The Spectre was, but his recent *****-slapping into a mouse knocks him down the list a few pegs.)

Gods (Includes the Old Gods, New Gods, and the various gods across the universe like Zeus)

Deadman

The Guardians of the Universe

The Wizard Shazam (sans his supposed godhood)

Eclipso these days

Gog

Dr. Fate (Kent)

Doomsday

Zatanna

Dr. Fate (Hector)

Superman, Captain Marvel, Black Adam, Supergirl VI

I don't know about putting Superman Prime about Antimonitor.. but other than that.... well Deadman too.. but other than that.. I concede your list.

The AM is above Superman Prime. You forgot about darkseid he has some uber feats in his early days.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Do you have this panel evidense? Because GalacticStorm has claimed to reveal panel evidense of White Pheonix of the Crown birthing Marvel's multiverse, when he has shown me no such thing.

I would appreciate if you show me this, because then this would prove that Spectre is actually stronger than Lucifer, Lucifer only created a universe.

Also your claim that Spectre conquered Hell with a thought seems unlikely as numerous debators have claimed that Spectre [b]rampaged his way into Hell and forcefully subdued it. That is NOT the same thing as conquering Hell with but a thought. [/B]

The other part is seen in Spectre volume 4 issue 27.

In Lucifer 75, when he exited creation and was flying through the void that everything spawns from and eventually collapses back into, Lucifer saw it as an infinitely layered multiverse. He and Yahweh sat and had a talk watching creations being born and dying and collapsing back into the void.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is where I see Spectre in the hierarchy of DC:

From the Presence down to Superman:

God/The Presence

Death (has none of the "rules" of the other Endless)

The rest of the Endless

Michael and Lucifer (In DC they were the first two beings crated in existance [The Endless just were ] with Michael creating the first matter and Lucifer shaping it.)

The Spectre (While Parallax and Ion have the same reality-bending powers sans the rules of The Spectre, they're still mortals and don't have The Almighty in their corner.)

Biblical Eclipso (as seen in The Spectre v.2(?) #14)

Parallax & Ion

Imperiex

Lords of Order and Chaos (Nabu, at full power, was no match for the Spectre Force)

Angels

5th dimensional imps like Myxyzptlk

5th dimensional imps like Johnny Thunderbolt (Needs the words of another to grant wishes)

Superman Prime

The Anti-Monitor

The Phantom Stranger (Most speculate that he is or was an angel as The Spectre was, but his recent *****-slapping into a mouse knocks him down the list a few pegs.)

Gods (Includes the Old Gods, New Gods, and the various gods across the universe like Zeus)

Deadman

The Guardians of the Universe

The Wizard Shazam (sans his supposed godhood)

Eclipso these days

Gog

Dr. Fate (Kent)

Doomsday

Zatanna

Dr. Fate (Hector)

Superman, Captain Marvel, Black Adam, Supergirl VI

Next off, Death and the Endless do not rank above Lucifer or Micheal, even they know this, and they know that Lucifer could defeat them at any time. Even when Lucifer was down and powerless and dying, Death kept asking questions and Lucifer looked at her and said "I fully intend to survive this, and I hope you take that into consideration while you're speaking to me.." and she completely backed off. Sandman called Lucifer the most powerful being in existance.

Deadman isn't a character you can really give a rank to, he doesn't really have powers and can't really be defeated from what I've seen... he just acts sort of like a guardian angel, and also leads souls in the afterlife.

If DC and Vertigo are not canon then they have never said this Juntai 😉., or if they have then show me where because I have never seen it before. The only book that I have seen thats not canon with DC/Vertigo is Preacher. In Sandman Lucifer quit Hell and walked away. In DC The Spectre it shows him also talking about when he left Hell. Lucifer is a continuation of the Sandman. In what was once thought to be just a 1 universe in the Lucifer comic book we see at the end turns out to be a Vertigo Multiverse, hooking it in line with the DC Multiverse.

Originally posted by kevdude
If DC and Vertigo are not canon then they have never said this Juntai 😉., or if they have then show me where because I have never seen it before. The only book that I have seen thats not canon with DC/Vertigo is Preacher. In Sandman Lucifer quit Hell and walked away. In DC The Spectre it shows him also talking about when he left Hell. Lucifer is a continuation of the Sandman. In what was once thought to be just a 1 universe in the Lucifer comic book we see at the end turns out to be a Vertigo Multiverse, hooking it in line with the DC Multiverse.

It should be pretty obvious since in Lucifer there is no Heaven or Hell anymore, and Etrigan is still around, as is Spectre, as is Zauriel, as testaments to those still existing.

A long time ago, Vertigo, specifcally Sandman was considered Canon, [given events in Sandman affecting continuity, and even had a tie in moment that happened both in Sandman and in Green Arrow], but Vertigo as a whole from what I understand is no longer considered part of DC's canon.

Originally posted by kevdude
Lucifer > Spectre UL. The Wrath/Spectre is a fallen demon used by The Word/Logos and gets his powers from it. Hal Jordan while joined with The Wrath threw off the Wrath/Spectre and joined with the Logos. That is how Hal did that. The Spectre himself could of course do this as well. But when The Spectre asked Lucifer once why he was moving the moon Lucifer told him not to waste his time, and Spectre looked down and left. Spectre might be more powerful since hes connected to the Logos but Lucifer is 1000x more smarter. Power is rated not just powerwise, its also rated by how smart you are. Whos more powerful? I think you already know. 😮‍💨

You need to learn more extensive vocabulary. I know what you mean, but you are wording it entirely wrong.

You should have said "Power is rated not just through energy manipulation ability"

It would also have been better to say "There are many different kinds of power, energy manipulation and reality altering are only two"

Anyways, Lucifer is more powerful because his mind is far more mature and versatile than Spectre's. However, in terms of physical/energetic might, Spectre seems to have more of it. I take it, that this is the gist of what you meant.

However, it still confirms my earlier notion: Spectre is potentially mightier than Lucifer.

He loses at 2, unless BH and Mephisto are in DC hell for some reason, because he would have no power in the MU. If he didnt die their, he would lose at 7.

Originally posted by Tassadar
He loses at 2, unless BH and Mephisto are in DC hell for some reason, because he would have no power in the MU. If he didnt die their, he would lose at 7.