colossus vs abomination

Originally posted by olympian
a) Cmon on, lets be a bit modest here. Colossus never won and neither "won" against Juggs ever. He either managed to held its own against Jugs to the point of not losing or get busted until the figth was stopped or Juggs looked better than him. Herc has done the same against the Destroyer and its not by all means a stalemate.

b) Thing went down in 3 shots. Colossus was mocked in the bar figth. The one thing you can conclude from this is Juggernaut > Thing, Colossus.

c) Thing has a better track record overall.

Current Colossus would make a good match especially sinces hes really durable, but against Classic Abom that floored Hulk easily, he doesnt stand a prayer of a chance.

Neither Herc, Thor (strength only), Supes (strength only), WW (no lasso) and Hulk most of the times.

I felt I was being modest. I try to be as unbiased as possible when making my debate. For example, upon learning more about him, I concluded with the consensus that Terrax would beat Colossus in his gauntlet. I know when Colossus can be beat, and I say so.

But, in this case, I feel that he can take Abomination. I know he's insanely strong, but so is Colossus. Strength is not going to be the deciding factor here.

Abom has a healing factor and is highly durable. Colossus has no healing factor, but is far more durable than Abom.

I would say Colossus has much better fighting skills as well, and over the years has become quite the smart fighter as well. He's not like common powerhouses that just smash through things and hope they win. He's started using his head more.

Colossus is also faster and more agile than Abom. And I won't lie, I don't know about Abom's endurance, stamina, but I know that Colossus's is nigh-limitless. And then, of course, there's the fact that he doesn't need to breathe/eat/drink/rest in his armored form. So, he could always use that to his advantage.

I just feel that Colossus has what it takes to defeat Abom. That's my personal, unbiased (ignore the sig), and very well-educated opinion.

P.S.--Quick question. Out of curiosity because I haven't read that certain comic, if Abomination was so much better than Hulk and easily floored him, how did the Hulk eventually defeat him?

http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Abomination_%28Emil_Blonsky%29

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I felt I was being modest. I try to be as unbiased as possible when making my debate. For example, upon learning more about him, I concluded with the consensus that Terrax would beat Colossus in his gauntlet. I know when Colossus can be beat, and I say so.

But, in this case, I feel that he can take Abomination. I know he's insanely strong, but so is Colossus. Strength is not going to be the deciding factor here.

Abom has a healing factor and is highly durable. Colossus has no healing factor, but is far more durable than Abom.

I would say Colossus has much better fighting skills as well, and over the years has become quite the smart fighter as well. He's not like common powerhouses that just smash through things and hope they win. He's started using his head more.

Colossus is also faster and more agile than Abom. And I won't lie, I don't know about Abom's endurance, stamina, but I know that Colossus's is nigh-limitless. And then, of course, there's the fact that he doesn't need to breathe/eat/drink/rest in his armored form. So, he could always use that to his advantage.

I just feel that Colossus has what it takes to defeat Abom. That's my personal, unbiased (ignore the sig), and very well-educated opinion.

P.S.--Quick question. Out of curiosity because I haven't read that certain comic, if Abomination was so much better than Hulk and easily floored him, how did the Hulk eventually defeat him?

Your opinion is well educated, that i can agree. What i dont agree its the classification as top tier for Colossus. He still doesnt have the track record for that.

As for the advantages Colossus have and speaking as someone who also has a liking on the character the ones you used are good ones. Hes more agile, more skilled (Abom supossily has learned figthing skills due the fact he was a russian spy, but i dont recall him using anything amazing, so ill just say regular skills) and its easily smarter Imo.

I agree that with current Abom, he migth have a change ( But still considering the ones that have one shot him are also consistantly above Colossus, id give it a struggle for the "Man of Steel"😉.

The only problem here, its that the Abomination used in this discussion its the classic level. Now on the record and to answer your last question:

Classic Abom and Savage had two figths iirc.

Hulk got beaten in 3 shots in the first.

Hulk was losing the second match, but Abom started gloating about Betty and Hulk lost his mind. He managed to reach a level above Abom and defeated him.

You have to agree that, this track record is out of Colossus league so to speak. But then again its out of most top tiers if using strength alone and without Hulk powerset of increasing it.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

P.S.--Quick question. Out of curiosity because I haven't read that certain comic, if Abomination was so much better than Hulk and easily floored him, how did the Hulk eventually defeat him?

Bruce Banner created a device that managed to drain a good 50% of Abomination's powers before The Hulk turned up(Banner got excited) and trashed the place. He then proceeded to curbstomp Abomination like there's no tomorrow.

This leads me to believe that Abomination is far stronger than he's made out to be, because the Hulk normally doesn't have much trouble with people who have roughly twice his base strength. Not at all. So my guess is that it's much more than twice.

Maybe scans of that second figth would be better.

Wasent he winning until that point and mocking Hulk about Betty? I though that was what ticked him off to beat Abom.

Originally posted by olympian
Your opinion is well educated, that i can agree. What i dont agree its the classification as top tier for Colossus. He still doesnt have the track record for that.

As for the advantages Colossus have and speaking as someone who also has a liking on the character the ones you used are good ones. Hes more agile, more skilled (Abom supossily has learned figthing skills due the fact he was a russian spy, but i dont recall him using anything amazing, so ill just say regular skills) and its easily smarter Imo.

I agree that with current Abom, he migth have a change ( But still considering the ones that have one shot him are also consistantly above Colossus, id give it a struggle for the "Man of Steel"😉.

The only problem here, its that the Abomination used in this discussion its the classic level. Now on the record and to answer your last question:

Classic Abom and Savage had two figths iirc.

Hulk got beaten in 3 shots in the first.

Hulk was losing the second match, but Abom started gloating about Betty and Hulk lost his mind. He managed to reach a level above Abom and defeated him.

You have to agree that, this track record is out of Colossus league so to speak. But then again its out of most top tiers if using strength alone and without Hulk powerset of increasing it.

Ah, but the thing about Classic Abomination, is that his strength does not increase. And, while Colossus's strength does not increase exponentially with anger/excitement to the same degree that Hulk does, I believe it's safe to say (and I think you'll agree with me when you think about some of his previous feats) that Colossus's strength, too, can increase significantly when angered/excited.

Keeping that in mind, it is entirely possible for Colossus to become so engraged that he COULD POSSIBLY equal or surpass Abom's strength. Again, this is just a theory (though Colossus's strength can in fact increase). I still feel that strength alone is not the deciding factor here. Colossus could definitely outfight him, wear him down, and eventually take him out.

Abomination has Demi-Godlike Stamina and Durability

Demi-godlike: able to sustain for weeks

Demi-godlike: able to withstand all injury short of a direct nuclear explosion

http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/abomination.html

Originally posted by golem370
Demi-godlike: able to sustain for weeks

Demi-godlike: able to withstand all injury short of a direct nuclear explosion

He would still have to be worn down eventually. Even Hulk tires after an extremely long time.

Colosuss, however, has nigh-limitless endurance/stamina and is one of the most durable individuals in all of Marvel.

Originally posted by olympian
Maybe scans of that second figth would be better.

Wasent he winning until that point and mocking Hulk about Betty? I though that was what ticked him off to beat Abom.

Eh, I don't remember exactly. But I think you're talking about another "second" fight, where a fight between Grey Hulk and Abo goes more or less back and forth(though I'd give the edge to Abomination) until he starts mocking Betty.

one thing i don't understand is why all of a sudden being able to land hits and knock around hulk is something amazing...

thats what hulk does, he takes the punishment then gets angry and is nearly unstoppable. any brick lucky enough can manage to knock out hulk before he gets angry. sure it doesn't happen too often, but it's possible to any class 100 strength hero or villain.

and how do we know that hulk didnt get hit with a job aura when the first battle came along with abom, so that it wouldn't seem like hulk wasn't challenged by his new adversary?

colossus matches abom in base strength and surpasses his durability and fighting skill. and if emil went and pulled something stupid like mentioning something about piotr's family... well then he'll be in trouble.

and like i said before if this is ultimate colossus, then he wins even more of the time, with a higher base strength and just about invulnerability (survived a localized nuke).

colossus takes this fight most of the time.

Originally posted by olympian
a) Lets be a bit modest here. Colossus never won and neither "won" against Juggs ever. He either managed to held its own against Jugs to the point of not losing or get busted until the figth was stopped or Juggs looked better than him. Herc has done the same against the Destroyer and its not by all means a stalemate.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus_Spiderwoman3.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus_Spiderwoman4.jpg

And being your using the ABC logic I think I will also. A much weaker/less experienced Colossus fought Sasquatch and actually started to get a edge before the fight was stopped. This is the same Sasquatch that battled Savage Hulk for 30 mins. to a stalemate. Now let's add Colossus' upgrades he has received since then I think Colossus has a pretty good chance at beating Abomination.

Colossus takes 6/10.

no abom wins, he never got beat by hulk, in his classic form. hes gotta be like 3 or 4 times colossuss strength or more.

Originally posted by bigbran
no abom wins, he never got beat by hulk, in his classic form. hes gotta be like 3 or 4 times colossuss strength or more.

Tales to Astonish #91- Hulk vs. Abomination II

After Ross has the army restart the Hulk with gamma electrodes, Bruce Banner figures out a way to draw Abomination back as if by a gamma magnet. Bruce also finds a way to drain the Abomination's strength, however Bruce hulks out before he can turn the Abomination back to normal. Hulk rushes out and beats the snot out of Abomination. The Stranger calls the fight and takes Abomination away with him

Colossus 6/10.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Please don't make stuff up. Hulk has defeated classic Abom.

Tales to Astonish #91- Hulk vs. Abomination II

After Ross has the army restart the Hulk with gamma electrodes, Bruce Banner figures out a way to draw Abomination back as if by a gamma magnet. Bruce also finds a way to drain the Abomination's strength, however Bruce hulks out before he can turn the Abomination back to normal. Hulk rushes out and beats the snot out of Abomination. The Stranger calls the fight and takes Abomination away with him

Colossus 6/10.

Read the other topic. He fought Classic Abomination again. Well, not literally classic, but Abomination with all of his old powers restored.

Originally posted by bigbran
no i mean in a full on fight, no tech.
hulk needed to drain his strength to beat abom. i know that hulk did that.

Incredible Hulk vol. 2 #137- Hulk vs. Abomination V

While the rest of the ship is fighting with Klatuaa, the Abomination attacks Bruce Banner. Bruce hulks out and the two go overboard. They pound on each other endlessly. Eventually Abomination is too tired to go on. Hulk gets the the last shot and sends Abomination hurtling towards Earth, and into a coma for two years

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Read the other topic. He fought Classic Abomination again. Well, not literally classic, but Abomination with all of his old powers restored.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Banner Hulked out before he used the tech though.

Incredible Hulk vol. 2 #137- Hulk vs. Abomination V

While the rest of the ship is fighting with Klatuaa, the Abomination attacks Bruce Banner. Bruce hulks out and the two go overboard. They pound on each other endlessly. Eventually Abomination is too tired to go on. Hulk gets the the last shot and sends Abomination hurtling towards Earth, and into a coma for two years