they're a shameless rip off, ac/dc, led zepplin, black sabbath, all these bands had great, original, killer music, these guys just raped the sound. they're re-packaging the older, better music, dont add anything and sell it to the ignorant "youth" market who dont know the older, better bands. atleast when the Darkness did it they added something.
Originally posted by tabby999
they're a shameless rip off, ac/dc, led zepplin, black sabbath, all these bands had great, original, killer music, these guys just raped the sound. they're re-packaging the older, better music, dont add anything and sell it to the ignorant "youth" market who dont know the older, better bands. atleast when the Darkness did it they added something.
Eventually old bands die off, they might have been good at some point, maybe even still a bit now, but newer bands come out all the time, you can't keep rehashing the same 'this band has just copied this other band who basically invented the genre' argument, or else you cant have any new bands entering that particular genre without everyone sounding the same.
There are plenty of bands coming out all the time, most are aimed at the marketable age range of young adults, you dont see these people walking around all the time going 'oh hey man, how about that ac/dc, led zeppelin, black sabbath album?', those bands appealed to the people who grew up with them back when they came out, and these new bands appeal to people who are growing up with them now. Not everyone has to like the older bands, it doesnt make them ignorant for liking new bands. Those older bands had their limelight, its selfish to keep rejecting newer bands and going back to the ones who already made their mark.
Originally posted by Mišt
Eventually old bands die off, they might have been good at some point, maybe even still a bit now, but newer bands come out all the time, you can't keep rehashing the same 'this band has just copied this other band who basically invented the genre' argument, or else you cant have any new bands entering that particular genre without everyone sounding the same.There are plenty of bands coming out all the time, most are aimed at the marketable age range of young adults, you dont see these people walking around all the time going 'oh hey man, how about that ac/dc, led zeppelin, black sabbath album?', those bands appealed to the people who grew up with them back when they came out, and these new bands appeal to people who are growing up with them now. Not everyone has to like the older bands, it doesnt make them ignorant for liking new bands. Those older bands had their limelight, its selfish to keep rejecting newer bands and going back to the ones who already made their mark.
If that's the route you're going to travel, then these bands don't deserve credit for being innovative, fresh or edgy then. They're really not doing anything that bands from the 60s and 70s didn't do, and they're not doing it as good.
Rather than risk not being liked and trying something genuinely out of leftfield, something you honestly want to do, bands in the mainstream seem to always use something else as a base. That's fine, but at least build on it and try to develop your own thing going. Love or hate The Darkness, they did just that. They didn't so much reinvent the wheel, but they polished them up, added their own classy rims to it and kept progressing forward. Wolfmother, however, are just trying to appeal to people who honestly don't know better.
You're right, not everyone should like Sabbath, Led Zep or Priest just because they pioneered genres, but at least take the time to know where your modern day favourite band got their shit from.
-AC
They might not be innovative, fresh or edgy from a technical point of view, but they sell albums because people like the music regardless of where it came from. Theres a good 30 years of music between the 70s and now, they need a selling point at the moment because they are a new band, trying something new could potentialy ruin them and sink them to the bottom. There isnt a lot of original and good material out at the moment, most artists seem focused on getting their name in the public first, then getting their music out. If they did try something new in later albums, they can only get better than where they are now. The Darkness have a good style and I like that they are different, but it suits their style of music. Even though they brought something new, people still didnt suddenly rush out to buy their albums. I dont know how big they are over at your country, I know they have fans and all, but when they were getting radio coverage, people were thinking it was crap because it was different. They are still building their market up, but they arent as popular to the mainstream for being different. As I said before, most bands these days market towards young adults, most of whom probably dont care about past bands who 'made' the genres into what they are. If it sounds good, they'll buy it.
Not many people know where they got their shit from in the first place though. Unless you are knowledgeable in the field of music, you're not going to know who influenced who, who developed something new etc. If you took say...a 15 year old, listening to a song by a newer band like Wolfmother on the radio, that doesnt exactly scream 'Led Zeppelin influence, stop listening!', given that those older bands dont even get much radio coverage. Most teenagers dont have 30 years of knowledge to be able to debate that.
Originally posted by Mišt
They might not be innovative, fresh or edgy from a technical point of view, but they sell albums because people like the music regardless of where it came from. Theres a good 30 years of music between the 70s and now, they need a selling point at the moment because they are a new band, trying something new could potentialy ruin them and sink them to the bottom. There isnt a lot of original and good material out at the moment, most artists seem focused on getting their name in the public first, then getting their music out. If they did try something new in later albums, they can only get better than where they are now. The Darkness have a good style and I like that they are different, but it suits their style of music. Even though they brought something new, people still didnt suddenly rush out to buy their albums. I dont know how big they are over at your country, I know they have fans and all, but when they were getting radio coverage, people were thinking it was crap because it was different. They are still building their market up, but they arent as popular to the mainstream for being different. As I said before, most bands these days market towards young adults, most of whom probably dont care about past bands who 'made' the genres into what they are. If it sounds good, they'll buy it.Not many people know where they got their shit from in the first place though. Unless you are knowledgeable in the field of music, you're not going to know who influenced who, who developed something new etc. If you took say...a 15 year old, listening to a song by a newer band like Wolfmother on the radio, that doesnt exactly scream 'Led Zeppelin influence, stop listening!', given that those older bands dont even get much radio coverage. Most teenagers dont have 30 years of knowledge to be able to debate that.
You're missing the point. I'm not saying don't listen to Wolfmother, I'm not saying you have to like Zeppelin, I'm saying that at least take the time to research these things before you go giving bands credit for shit they didn't do.
-AC
Yeah I know, and I agree with you, I also agree with the original post "They are nothing original....but I still like them". Im not giving them credit for doing anything, because they aren't anything new or whatever, they just sound good and different to the rest of the crap played today.
My whole argument was towards tabby's post about the 'ignorant' market, I didn't know Wolfmother sounded like those older bands, and Im sure plenty of other people dont either, that doesnt make us ignorant. I cant research the background, if I dont know what the background is to start with.
Originally posted by Mišt
Yeah I know, and I agree with you, I also agree with the original post "They are nothing original....but I still like them". Im not giving them credit for doing anything, because they aren't anything new or whatever, they just sound good and different to the rest of the crap played today.My whole argument was towards tabby's post about the 'ignorant' market, I didn't know Wolfmother sounded like those older bands, and Im sure plenty of other people dont either, that doesnt make us ignorant. I cant research the background, if I dont know what the background is to start with.
i didn't have to research the music to know who they ripped off, most people have heard AC/DC at some point (well the people who like that kind of music generally have) can see straight up just how much wolfmother sound like them, its not even so much them ripping AC/DC off as it is their complete lack of originality