Originally posted by Hokage Yoda
It's Yoda>Vodo=>Mace>Ulic
Could you clairfy what that means? Lol. I get Yoda > Vodo, but the whole "=> Mace > Ulic"?
I don't even know what "=>" is (maybe equal to/possibly greater than?), and if you were saying Yoda > Vodo = Mace > Ulic then you'd be wrong, considering Ulic > Vodo.
And GM, what are you talking about? Vodo > Mace > Yoda? Where'd you come up with that?
Originally posted by Motoko Sama
Could you clairfy what that means? Lol. I get Yoda > Vodo, but the whole "=> Mace > Ulic"?I don't even know what "=>" is (maybe equal to/possibly greater than?), and if you were saying Yoda > Vodo = Mace > Ulic then you'd be wrong, considering Ulic > Vodo.
And GM, what are you talking about? Vodo > Mace > Yoda? Where'd you come up with that?
Where did you get the Ulic >Vodo 😠
Originally posted by GM Nebaris
Mokoto, what are you talking about? Vodo>Exar>Ulic.
What...the...hell?
Do my eyes deceive me?
Anyways, did you miss the part in TOTJ where Exar tooled Vodo? I'll fill you in on the end:
Pssst. In-case you can't understand what that picture means - it means Exar Kun > Vodo. If you're arguing that Ulic isn't as good as Vodo, that's pretty illogical. Almost as illogical as saying Vodo > Kun when he already wiped the floor with Vodo.
Ulic stalemated Kun, and this is Kun after he received Nadd's teachings, along with Sadow's amulet, and scrolls:
Oh, and while Ulic was cut off from the Force, he was able to hold off Sylvar. You know - Sylvar - the pissed off Jedi Knight. And yeah, just to let you in on a secret, the Force increases proficiency with a lightsaber.
Also given he was described as a master of the lightsaber, and the fact that he was the only one out of his Jedi party who withstood Ommin's attack:
And on top of that decapitated Warb Null (?) with a swift blow. Warb was the reason we see Cay with a mechanical arm btw:
This is all when he was a Jedi Knight, since then he's grown far more powerful. Basically just a recap, but anyways: he's stalemated a Kun who was at least above or equal to Vodo at that current time (when Kun/Ulic dueled), has a Sith amulet as well that is considered "deadly" and knocked Nomi and Cay on the ground, became a master lightsaber duelist, and was considered the biggest threat before Kun.
Now, tell me, is Vodo really stronger than Ulic? Ulic actually stalemated Kun. Vodo just...died.
Where did you get the Ulic >Vodo
See above.
Well if Exar has one saber Blade than Yes But anyway Vodo Wins. Or Yoda comes and saves Mace and kills Vodo
If Exar had one blade he'd still defeat Vodo.
I am a big Mace Windu fan, but he hasn't got this.
Vodo's dueling skills were incredible: he was arguably a greater dueler than Exar Kun, who was able to stalemate Ulic, who was able to stalemate a very powerful jedi knight while cut off from the force and while years out of practice.
He was also very strong in the force: he knew of the force blocking technique and while he had not mastered it, was very proficient with it and he was able to alter his staff via the force so it could withstand a lightsaber.
He trained Exar Kun who was incredibly strong, and was probably the strongest jedi of his era - an incredibly martial era.
WHAT?! The guy had two fights, both of which he LOST. Mace was one of the best best JEdi duelists, what, ever? With Vaapad, plus his ability and sheer physical strength, plus force abilities...oh, and that era wasn't martial, nomore than the PT, I'm getting tired of hearing that, when it's factual that the PT era was stronger. And last I checked, Torr Snappit could 'alter his staff', it's nothing special and I wonder WHY most Jedi don't do it...possibly because they see the absurdity of fighting with a stick.
And Exar's excellence was nothing to do with Vodo
It was martial. There were numbers of conflicts, the jedi wore battle armour and jedi were thought of as warriors more than peacekeepers. The pt era was the golden age of the jedi, as in relative peace. The same order where Niman, the diplomat's form was mostly used.
And Exar as a jedi was still very powerful, due to Vodo's teaching methods. So was Sylvar. Crado? Not so much, although he wasn't bad.
Originally posted by GM Nebaris
I am a big Mace Windu fan, but he hasn't got this.
Apparently you have no clue what you are talking about (as seems to be the case recently; putting Odan above Vodo), but I can't wait to read the rest...
Vodo's dueling skills were incredible:
Proof? Considering he was bested by a padawan Kun to an extent:
he was arguably a greater dueler than Exar Kun,
I'm guessing you can't see. Well, here you go just click on this picture and it *should* open your blind, blind eyes:
Yes, he's "arguably a greater dueler than Exar Kun"; regardless that Exar Kun already toyed with and destroyed Vodo as seen above.
who was able to stalemate Ulic,
Who, in turn, as I've argued is already better than Vodo. For the record, Ulic > Vodo as I already proved above.
who was able to stalemate a very powerful jedi knight while cut off from the force and while years out of practice.
You just copied my argument about Ulic and applied it to Vodo. WTF?
He was also very strong in the force: he knew of the force blocking technique and while he had not mastered it, was very proficient with it and he was able to alter his staff via the force so it could withstand a lightsaber.
Sadly, as we've seen on two occasions - it has been broken. Again, none of these esteemed skills saved him (nor Odan who was a master of the technique) against the power of Exar Kun.
He trained Exar Kun who was incredibly strong, and was probably the strongest jedi of his era - an incredibly martial era.
Exar Kun was the strongest of his era. Period.
EDIT:
And Exar as a jedi was still very powerful, due to Vodo's teaching methods. So was Sylvar.
So was Sylvar? Oh, you mean this Sylvar:
Seems a flick of the wrist from Exar Kun is all it takes to take down Sylvar. Very powerful indeed.
And Ulic being able to even defend against Sylvar for that long doesn't speak volumes for Sylvar. At all. Considering she was tapping into the Darkside and had the Force. Just so you know, the Force increases proficiency in saber dueling as well. So that only speaks well for Ulic; it doesn't work both ways.
Also may I remind you that it wasn't Vodo that made Kun into what he is, but Nadd's and the Ancient Sith's (Sadow's) teachings. Sure Vodo helped a bit, but Kun would have never gotten to where it was if it wasn't for the Ancient Sith.
Now, I suggest you quit mimicking IKC's arguments (because that's what you are doing), and get real. But since you seem to enjoy IKC's debating so much, I'll provide a nice little quote from him that sums up my response and your argument...
"None of these ridiculous assertions are supported by the comic, [GM]. You're a liar."
