mr. fantastic vs captain america

Originally posted by rotiart
Just cause you have fluctuations, doesn't mean thats where you stand on a regular basis. You ever carry something that usually you think is real heavy, but after carrying it you think, man that was easy, until someone told you how heavy it was? When Adrenaline is going, sometimes you can do things you wouldn't think possible. If 4 people of normal size and strength can tip over a car, how would a person nearly 4-5 times our supposed strength do it.

and stop with this handbook garbaqge

So much spite it is ridiculous...

Havnen't you ever heard of creative liberty?

Here's what happens. A writer creates a feat so absurd, that later, the editor looking back, has to have another writer retcon it. If it isn't too absurd, they let it go.

So when was this fat woman caught? Got a scan cause I'd like to see the situation it happened.

I love cap too. Hell Capts hung with Thor in a fight... doesn't mean that Cap suddenly has godlike strength.

Spite, on my end?

Originally posted by rotiart
Havnen't you ever heard of creative liberty?

Here's what happens. A writer creates a feat so absurd, that later, the editor looking back, has to have another writer retcon it. If it isn't too absurd, they let it go.

So when was this fat woman caught? Got a scan cause I'd like to see the situation it happened.

I love cap too. Hell Capts hung with Thor in a fight... doesn't mean that Cap suddenly has godlike strength.

Namor in water is like class 60-75 I think.. but out he's like 35-40 If I remember correctly.

You need to remember that when people DRAW things, they don't always know what an item actually weighs. Sometimes they draw it cause it looks cool.

Is Namor class 60? in water I guess he could be. I always remember it being less.

Originally posted by rotiart
Namor in water is like class 60-75 I think.. but out he's like 35-40 If I remember correctly.

You need to remember that when people DRAW things, they don't always know what an item actually weighs. Sometimes they draw it cause it looks cool.

Is Namor class 60? in water I guess he could be. I always remember it being less.

Righhhhttttt. Nice spiteful comments there. Just cause I don't hoard my comics like you, doesn't mean I don't buy them like you do.

Cap's thrown his shield at a helicopter, at hundreds of yards away. He nailed it dead on, and the shield was ... poof.. back in his hand. Not only is that an incredible strength feat, That would be an incredible feat if you think about the physics involved too.

Jesus man its a comic book. Grow up.

how did this thread last this long?

Originally posted by rotiart
Righhhhttttt. Nice spiteful comments there. Just cause I don't hoard my comics like you, doesn't mean I don't buy them like you do.

Cap's thrown his shield at a helicopter, at hundreds of yards away. He nailed it dead on, and the shield was ... poof.. back in his hand. Not only is that an incredible strength feat, That would be an incredible feat if you think about the physics involved too.

Jesus man its a comic book. Grow up.

Wow. I didn't know you could download comics. Btw, you have no idea what you're arguing about.

Namor Class 40? Wow....

Besides, the real comic book debaters in this forum go by the feats in the comic books, not the handbooks. The handbooks are notoriously innaccurate.

Listen. I was defining what Peak human is. So don't get high and mighty on me too. Cap is listed as Peak Human. He's always been stated even in the comics as peak human. The only non peak human captain wannabe is us agent. Ultimate Cap regularly shows over the top feats.
Captain america in 616 fights guys like Baron Zemo, Red Skull, Taskmaster, He hangs with DD.. another near peak human. He's fought and lost against wolverine. Should me obvious feats where cap has suddenly been upgraded. Cause you won't. Except for occasional instances that could be misconstrued, when has cap suddenly lifted up a cap or something.

The arguement is Soljer, that Peak Human, as a classification is where cap is. And that theoretically, he is what all humans at their best, could be.

Otherwise you're saying that the Super soldier serum, didn't make him the best of the best, but turned him into a steroid freak like luke cage or something. Cap is nothing like cage.

*shakes head* Captain America regularly manages to do things that are beyond the typical peak human. Like running at 60 miles per hour, dodging bullets at close range AFTER they are fired, catching big bertha, throwing his shield through a truck, intercepting a missile with it, throwing it and managing to keep up with it, hurting the friggin HULK.

A peak human, meaning the best of human potential, should not be capable of any of this. Pick up a comic, sometime.

Originally posted by Soljer
*shakes head* Captain America regularly manages to do things that are beyond the typical peak human. Like running at 60 miles per hour, dodging bullets at close range AFTER they are fired, catching big bertha, throwing his shield through a truck, intercepting a missile with it, throwing it and managing to keep up with it, hurting the friggin HULK.

A peak human, meaning the best of human potential, should not be capable of any of this. Pick up a comic, sometime.

whatever. caps taken on hyde, powerman, hes outrun people up a flight of stairs ( i think it was punisher or daredevil) after they had already started running. Fought us agent and beat him easily even though he is a cap ripoff, but with enhanced strength and bulletproof skin. I glad you remember a few instances.

Caps gone toe to toe with Terrax too.

Btw I'm pretty sure the shield toss, you mention with hulk refers to heroes reborn.

I don't however remember this big bertha incident. I do remember Cap in a shoving match with US agent, a registered 10 tonner, shoving him down.

Yes I know cap has feats. But even on marvel.com. the website. the company that OWNS the damned character, says hes a peak human.

I own an acura rsx. People that saw it thought I had a type-s, because it has leather interior. I told them no it doesn't. They said it has to be, cause only the type s comes with leather. In the end I finally convinced them that you can get the base model in leather also. I own the car. They don't. You're telling me you know more about the character then the company that owns it?

I'm telling you that statistics don't mean shit in the comics. Namor, the class 60 character has plenty of class 100 feats. You yourself named several feats for Cap that puts him above peak human. We have to go by feats, not by handbooks and statistics that marvel (or the fans, in the case of the Marvel.com bios) perpetuate.

Originally posted by King KAM
I am tired of all of this Captain America peak human BS, propaganda.

Peak human means that you can lift twice your body weight over your head, captain America Weighs, 240 pounds, yet he has Caught 750pounds, without stressing, and yes this was over his head, letting it be known that he can easily press over 800 pounds, considering 750pounds is over 3 times his weight, already, and with terminal velocity was equal to over 1000 pounds, so Cap can NOT be peak human.

Captain america can run about 55miles per hour, for 5 miles while holding a man on his back, which blows any human SPRINTING record out of the water, and he wasnt even sprinting.

Peak human...huh...no..not peak at all..

and you sir, are douche bag....

Actually I was trying to refer to this.
And as far as the fact that he's calling me names. I was just trying to state what is. Cap is stated to be a peak human. His Feats show otherwise. Namor is stated to be a 60 ton, but lifts 100 ton items.

What you don't seem to understand is that I'm stating what a peak human is supposedly. That as far as most things are concerned Cap is listed as a Peak human, and feats otherwise, has never been stated as anything but.

I was stating that the definition of peak human, is supposedly greater than anything even the best olympic level athlete could do. Which is what cap is.

He is right about one thing, Black Panther isn't above caps level, but i was rushing the list i had made and couldn't think of anyone else offhand.