Hey don't get me wrong, I have alot of respect for K'. The dude is powerful, fast and cool.
But (And yes Lancer, you've shown complete bias, so it's not a flame) He doesn't have the moxy to hang with Ryu's experience, even though he has far more cool factor than Ryu does. IMO Cool factor doesn't help in a fight.
nothing biased about saying Ryu's got no feats. not anything that helps much against someone like K'. not to mention that you still haven't provided any proof of ryu's dealings with immolation either.
and lastly, you saying flames are justified because i'm being biased is like me calling flaming you for running away from the jin/ryu thread and not providing any back up to what you're saying. but i didn't. so what's your problem? 😉
last time i checked, you weren't one to decide what qualifies as a flame and what doesn't.
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
nothing biased about saying Ryu's got no feats. not anything that helps much against someone like K'. not to mention that you still haven't provided any proof of ryu's dealings with immolation either.and lastly, you saying flames are justified because i'm being biased is like me calling flaming you for running away from the jin/ryu thread and not providing any back up to what you're saying. but i didn't. so what's your problem? 😉
last time i checked, you weren't one to decide what qualifies as a flame and what doesn't.
Excuse me?
I'm not the one digging up 4 year old threads to provide nothing but bias and pointless character bashing.
That said, plenty of the other threads have ryu's proof in them already, why repeat everything just to satsify your pointless bagering?
And I just did, don't you read? Ryu deals with immolators in practically every other tourney, I listed ust some of the characters who use immolatin in their techniques, and I didn't include Ken in that list either, who is perhaps the most flamey of all the characters besides Dhalsim.
Lastly, I didn't flame, and I didn't run away. Calling your oppinion biased is not a flame kid, get that through your skin very quickly.
I'm not the one digging up 4 year old threads to provide nothing but bias and pointless character bashing.
That said, plenty of the other threads have ryu's proof in them already, why repeat everything just to satsify your pointless bagering?
And I just did, don't you read? Ryu deals with immolators in practically every other tourney, I listed ust some of the characters who use immolatin in their techniques, and I didn't include Ken in that list either, who is perhaps the most flamey of all the characters besides Dhalsim.
Lastly, I didn't flame, and I didn't run away. Calling your oppinion biased is not a flame kid, get that through your skin very quickly.
Originally posted by Hell LancerWTF!?!?!?! 😠 I hope that is a joke. Where you get this news from?
ditto. basterds aren't even putting him on KofXIII which was one of the big complaints people had. why would you not put in one of the top5 most popular characters of the franchise on your game....and you'd put in an obscure tw@t (Hwa Jai) in his place? 😬
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
I dug up that thread? 😂
fail.
You've dug up ancient threads to have a dig at 4 yo oppinions, then claimed it was a oke to try and get away with it. this proves you are spiteful Sado.
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
transation: you have no proof
Your a poor translator too.... You don't read.
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
ken's not predominately a fire user. and his flames aren't capable of vaping someone like kyo's are (as shown in KofKYO game). dhalsims yoga fire is canonically said to feel numbing, not burning.
you show me ryu dealing with someone a lot faster than ken with a lot more firepower than ken, and then we'll say you've got something to go with. besides, I thought we didn't use A>B>C logic here. just because ryu managed to deal with ken's flames doesn't mean he can deal with K's.
No, but Gouki's are, as is Bison's. Canonically?
Stated by who? By Tiamat no doubt, same with HADOUKEN, but both have been superceded since then, so that no longer applies.
K' Teleports, he's not nessisarily faster, and Ryu has dealt with speed freaks faster than K' before, as well as teleporters, and both have had far greater firepower than K'. read Bison and Akuma.
A>B>C logic isn't proof on it's own, but it does show Ryu dealing with anything K' brings to the feild.
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
no, but saying i'm stinking up the place is, junior 😉
I Said "Your Bias is stinking up the place". Lose the bias, and you'd be cool in my book.
WTF!?!?!?! mad I hope that is a joke. Where you get this news from?
You've dug up ancient threads to have a dig at 4 yo oppinions, then claimed it was a oke to try and get away with it. this proves you are spiteful Sado.
No, but Gouki's are, as is Bison's.
Stated by who? By Tiamat no doubt, same with HADOUKEN, but both have been superceded since then, so that no longer applies.
K' Teleports, he's not nessisarily faster
and Ryu has dealt with speed freaks faster than K' before
as well as teleporters, and both have had far greater firepower than K'. read Bison and Akuma.
A>B>C logic isn't proof on it's own, but it does show Ryu dealing witanything K' brings to the feild.
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
check out who ressurected the thread before pointing fingers at me.
I'm pointing you out because you made a snide assed remark for no reason, thats even worse than pointlessly dredging up an ancient thread for no reason at all, it was essentially your excuse to troll.
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
and they have been canonically shown to be capable of vaping someone? what proof do you have of these flames being as powerful as K's? you know, aside from the fact that these guys are from Capcom 😉
Give me an example of K' vaping anyone noteworthy before you hurl that shit at me first.
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
you mean, the same Tiamat who the so-called "canonical depictions" of the UDON comics were in agreement with?
I didn't say tiamat was totally wrong, but I also don't swallow everything the guy says like it's bloody gospel either... Geez man, grow some balls and go do some of your own research.
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
you're basing this off what exactly? game play?
Anything i can get my nads on actually. he's not DBZ fast, so don't bother playing on that angle.
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
Chunli and Vega, I assume, both of which we dont don't know if he's ever really faced in a proper match. SFA3, he didn't run into Vega and in SF2, we don't know if he faced Vega. we know he knows Chunli but we don't know if they've actually fought each other. and if they have, was it simply a sparring session or a proper fight.
your guess is as good as mine, really.
K' takes on armies of people carrying machine guns regularly because he was going around raiding NESTS bases frequently>anything ryu's done or dealt with in terms of speed.
Ok, so based on raiding a base, I can say that Charlie, Chun Li and Guile can evade the same, plus gunship cannons and missiles?
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
still awaiting proof on both.
Based on feats alone, Gouki and Bison far outdo anything K' has ever shown, especially Gouki. Then there's guys like Gen, Oro, Gill....
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
last i checked, it didn't apply to tekken so it doesn't apply to SF. stop the double standards or accept similar points from Tekken fans.
No dude, I said Ryu has faced similar abilities in the past. I never said he won or lost, and I only mentioned characters because you demanded I do so. This points to experience dealing with immolators, teleporters, and speed freaks, often all in one package. This doesn't set the stage for A>B>C logic at all.
I'm pointing you out because you made a snide assed remark for no reason, thats even worse than pointlessly dredging up an ancient thread for no reason at all, it was essentially your excuse to troll.
Give me an example of K' vaping anyone noteworthy before you hurl that shit at me first.
I didn't say tiamat was totally wrong, but I also don't swallow everything the guy says like it's bloody gospel either... Geez man, grow some balls and go do some of your own research.
Anything i can get my nads on actually. he's not DBZ fast, so don't bother playing on that angle.
Ok, so based on raiding a base, I can say that Charlie, Chun Li and Guile can evade the same, plus gunship cannons and missiles?
Based on feats alone, Gouki and Bison far outdo anything K' has ever shown, especially Gouki. Then there's guys like Gen, Oro, Gill....
No dude, I said Ryu has faced similar abilities in the past.
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
wrong again.
The Ryu vs Jin thread being a perfect example. Please don't try to dodge the issue.
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
Kyo was about to vape Yashiro and Yamazaki when he got berserker. Kyo has the same flames as K'. proven.
now, lets talk about Bison etc vaping ANYONE.
ABOUT to vape? Right, o in other words, you have no proof whatsoever...
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
flaming again, darko?
No Sado, I'm asking you to go and aquire your own information instead of eating up other people's research and claiming it is gospel.
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
hysterical
Way to answer the point, by poking at a typo..... You are a child.
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
where exactly?
Charlie's SFA3 ending, where a gunship forced Charlie back to cover Bison's retreat into the Psych Drive. And Charlie's SFA2 ending where he gets shot by a gunship. Not to mention that Shadaloo was a world leader in dealing with weapons and narcotics, they would have access to some pretty devastating equipment, considering they had their claws into governments, law enforcement and military organisations the world over.
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
I'm talking about FIREPOWER not feats. show me Gouki etc showing their flames to be stronger than K's.
Hell, according to you, gouki's iland sinker was caused by his Ki. Which constitutes his firepower, Shankunetsu hadouken, as stated by Tiamat Immolates opponents. You sure know how to pick and choose your sources, but when something inconveniant crops up you apparently plug your ears and shout "I CANT HEAR YOU" really well...
This is why I say "do your own research."
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
but you have no proof of Ryu doing it. Ryu fought Bison but near as we know, Bison pretty buttraped him. he fought akuma but there's no we have to assume that akuma teleported for a fact. it's like me saying Jin can dodge bullets (which he can btw) because Lei Wullong has a move where he can pull out his gun and shoot.
Yeah, right up until he forced Bison to explode with a Shoryuken.
Ashura Senkuu is one of Akuma's mainstay techniues, why should we assume he was not using it throughout the battle? Not to mention he has faster foot and attack speed reguardless of this anyway.
The Ryu vs Jin thread being a perfect example. Please don't try to dodge the issue.
ABOUT to vape? Right, o in other words, you have no proof whatsoever...
No Sado, I'm asking you to go and aquire your own information instead of eating up other people's research and claiming it is gospel.
Way to answer the point, by poking at a typo..... You are a child.
Charlie's SFA3 ending, where a gunship forced Charlie back to cover Bison's retreat into the Psych Drive.
And Charlie's SFA2 ending where he gets shot by a gunship.
Not to mention that Shadaloo was a world leader in dealing with weapons and narcotics, they would have access to some pretty devastating equipment, considering they had their claws into governments, law enforcement and military organisations the world over.
Hell, according to you, gouki's iland sinker was caused by his Ki. Which constitutes his firepower, Shankunetsu hadouken, as stated by Tiamat Immolates opponents. You sure know how to pick and choose your sources, but when something inconveniant crops up you apparently plug your ears and shout "I CANT HEAR YOU" really well...
This is why I say "do your own research."
Yeah, right up until he forced Bison to explode with a Shoryuken.
Ashura Senkuu is one of Akuma's mainstay techniues, why should we assume he was not using it throughout the battle? Not to mention he has faster foot and attack speed reguardless of this anyway.
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
i didn't resurrect that thread nor did i start the flaming. you're blind 😬
And your talking about my bad memory...
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
kagura's words. fail.
speaking of proofs, i think you're the last person to talk....given you're epic fail in Ryu/Jin thread when you said "show me Jin beating Kuma easily" when the prologue directly STATES that he did it.
when are you going to grow up, darkman?
Hah, so we are going to use yet ANOTHER obscure statement to try and justify a non existant feat?
I never failed in that thread dude, I left because I had Rl issues to deal with, such as work.
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
the guy has more veractiy that you ever will. it's not about doing your own research as much as it's about knowing which source to quote. i'm quoting a well-known and well-respected and possibly the most damn accurate source on SF...as opposed to listening to some obscure Aussie dude on sporadic hissy fits.
and stop calling me Sado.
Firstly, reported for Racism. And the fact that you know my country of origin proves that you are Sado, since i don't recall telling you where I'm from, but I do remember telling Sado.
Secondly, Your the one quoting obscure sources, and your using another dudes research, you have precisely 0% first hand knowlege of anything your saying. you my friend, have absolutely no right to decide who is more accurate.
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
that was hilarious and you know it! 😉
Meaningless.
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSncCqZcgPQ&feature=related
speaking of your minimal veracity: Charlie was in the gunship, genius, watch the ending again! hahaha! what a fail! 😂
Absolute fail... Charlie was in a bloody Harrier in his SFA3 ending you blatant fool. I was reffering to his SFA2 ending... Read my posts properly!
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
so...the fact that he gets shot is your proof that he (and Guile and Chunli) can evade gunfire? 😐
EPIC fail.
The fact that they where not absolutely reduced to paste and their clothes full of bullet holes attest to this... Where is your proof K' evaded gunfire?
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
rubbish. the only soldiers we see in the entire game are barehanded fighters like Juri and Juni. so for all your "woulda coulda shoulda" we SEE K' taking armed fighters head on in KofMI2. we don't see shite in SFA3.
yet another epic fail.
Right, because Shadaloo is made up of 13 dolls, and the grand masters... Oh wait... Your wrong again. MY BAD!
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
you know what, I can see why you're being confused. what i mean by "firepower" is literally, the power of flames. there is nothing in the SF canon or in the list of (exaggerated, misconstrued or fanfictional) feats that Bison or Akuma have that shows they are capable of vaporizing someone. from tiamat's source, the shakuunetsu hadouken can burn very badly but it's not capable of vaping someone.
so really, my sources are fine. if i were you, i'd be more worried about your horrendous failures with your logic (a term i'm using extremely loosely right now) for Charlie being capable of dodging gunfire and then making it even worse by saying Guile and Chunli can do it too just because Charlie did it...only he never really did and in fact got shot.
frankly, i think you need help.
read above, you horrendous moron, all 3 where invading shadaloo bases, and 2 of them are experienced military combatants, that already have high speed feats and techniques. Your horrendously misunderstanding the original sources and instead choose to act on tiamat's plot guide, a guide made by a fan and has no more canon capability than any other fanmade work. Which is now outdated in any case. in any event, None of the flame users have flames, reduced to ashes, and with the exeption of perhaps Iori, have never actually killed anyone.
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
never happened, canonically. fail.
back this statement up, or go away. And no, Tiamat's "interpretation" of events is no more valid than mine, and you saying "I'll take his word over yours" is not a rebuttal. you have to back your oppinion with actual evidence.
Originally posted by Hell Lancer
so you don't have proof that he did. good to know.
you have no proof to the contrary, and since it's a mainstay technique, my position is far stronger than yours.
And your talking about my bad memory...
Firstly, reported for Racism. And the fact that you know my country of origin proves that you are Sado, since i don't recall telling you where I'm from, but I do remember telling Sado.
Secondly, Your the one quoting obscure sources, and your using another dudes research, you have precisely 0% first hand knowlege of anything your saying. you my friend, have absolutely no right to decide who is more accurate.
Absolute fail... Charlie was in a bloody Harrier in his SFA3 ending you blatant fool. I was reffering to his SFA2 ending... Read my posts properly!
Charlie's SFA3 ending, where a gunship forced Charlie back to cover Bison's retreat into the Psych Drive. And Charlie's SFA2 ending where he gets shot by a gunship.
The fact that they where not absolutely reduced to paste and their clothes full of bullet holes attest to this... Where is your proof K' evaded gunfire?
Right, because Shadaloo is made up of 13 dolls, and the grand masters... Oh wait... Your wrong again. MY BAD!
blah blah blah blah...in any event, None of the flame users have flames, reduced to ashes, and with the exeption of perhaps Iori, have never actually killed anyone.
back this statement up, or go away. And no, Tiamat's "interpretation" of events is no more valid than mine, and you saying "I'll take his word over yours" is not a rebuttal. you have to back your oppinion with actual evidence.
you have no proof to the contrary, and since it's a mainstay technique, my position is far stronger than yours.