Have any of you seen Mr.Masters post on why the Phoenix is nothing more then a universal power.
Imperiex>>>>>the phoenix force
The Phoenix Force two greatest on panel feats, were holding the 616 marvel universe, and repairing the K crystal, thats it. The phoenix force has never shown on panel to be truly multiversal.
🤨 are you smoking Jesse 7, research things for yourself don't use other people opinions. Phoenix force will kill Imperiex with a thought, not even death can contain the Phoenix force. LT=PF they have different roles in the universe but they are both top dogs in the Marvel Universe. I forgot what issue maybe GS has it, the top beings in the marvel universe where bowing down to the Phoenix even Eternity,Infinity, Death etc knew who was at top of the food chain.
Because it was in a comic, Even numerous sites even states how powerful the Phoenix force is, LT and PF are equals in the marvel universe hierarchy. Even during Dark Phoenix Saga she gave mastermind a taste what it is to be part of the multi-universe, White Crown Phoenix will truly smoke Imperiex in sec.
Originally posted by the Darkone
🤨 are you smoking Jesse 7, research things for yourself don't use other people opinions. Phoenix force will kill Imperiex with a thought, not even death can contain the Phoenix force. LT=PF they have different roles in the universe but they are both top dogs in the Marvel Universe. I forgot what issue maybe GS has it, the top beings in the marvel universe where bowing down to the Phoenix even Eternity,Infinity, Death etc knew who was at top of the food chain.
That's not exactly true.
"LT=PF they have different roles in the universe but they are both top dogs in the Marvel Universe" hysterical
And... what Jesse 7 is talking about, was backed up by scans NOT opinions.
To begin with:..that never even happened...that was the Stranger telling a story of what is to become of humanity in the far far future...but who can believe the Stranger.
Second: Phoenix Force has never done (on panel) anything more than REPAIR a Universe(she didn't even restructure it as some would have you believe)nono
Impressive no doubt but who ever says that this scan implies anything else rather than her just Fixing a universe is full of shit.
Her other major feat was repairing the Mkraan Crystal...which also was a Universal feat.
That's it..be my guest and prove me wrong ON PANEL, not with lectures and twisted bios.
We should ALL research before posting...wouldn't you say? master
Marvel hierarchy
1. TOAA
😮bviously:
2. HOTU
:Absorbed LT: nuff said...
3. Living Tribunal
:Because he's above the IG(like I proved in this thread)
4. IG
:Because it controlled the energies of the Ultimate Nullifier:
5. Ultimate Nullifier
😮bliterated and Remade the Multiverse in the blink of an eye.
6. Abraxas(he can only manifest...if one of the Galactus's in Multi-verse die).
:Because only the UN can kill him:
7. Multi-Eternity/Multi-Infinity(embodiments of the Multiverse/Time&Space)
:Because it's their Multiverse, Because they are the Multiverse, because they make up an infinite number of Universes(as you saw in the Cosmic Vortex)without them there's nothing, Because a Single Big Bang takes place in their immensity all the time. An entire Universe is infinitesimal in comparison to them.
8. Phoenix Force/Eternity/Infinity/Entropy/Death
9. Rest of the abstracts and so on.
Originally posted by Mr Master
That's not exactly true."LT=PF they have different roles in the universe but they are both top dogs in the Marvel Universe" hysterical
And... what Jesse 7 is talking about, was backed up by scans NOT opinions.
To begin with:..that never even happened...that was the Stranger telling a story of what is to become of humanity in the far far future...but who can believe the Stranger.
Second: Phoenix Force has never done (on panel) anything more than REPAIR a Universe(she didn't even restructure it as some would have you believe)nono
Impressive no doubt but who ever says that this scan implies anything else rather than her just Fixing a universe is full of shit.Her other major feat was repairing the Mkraan Crystal...which also was a Universal feat.
That's it..be my guest and prove me wrong ON PANEL, not with lectures and twisted bios.
We should ALL research before posting...wouldn't you say? master
So... Who wins?
Originally posted by Adam Warlock
So... Who wins?
If Imperiex has destroyed a universe...which I know he has.
This automatically raises him above the PF. Why?
Because Phoenix never has Remade/Warped a Universe...
Phoenix has never created a Universe.
Phoenix has never even destroyed a Universe...I believe she can...but she never has.
Imperiex on the other hand...
Has anyone ever considered that Multi-Eternity could be TOAA?
ME owns everything. Each Eternity is his children. And LT is the children's ward. Myself I see it as.
TOAA=ME (Multi Eternity... not me... I'm not that egotistical 🙂)
HOTU
LT
The Infinites (there were 3) Eternity was miniscule in power compared to one. Eternity could only talk the Infinites out of destroying everything. The Heroes couldn't even fight them and weren't considered at all.
UN can be used to kill Eternity, which "reset" Eternity as if Galactus had never died, and Abraxas was sealed back in.
Abraxas was fought against, and the heroes were able to best him.
Infinity Gauntlet cause gave Thanos the power to beat/become Eternity.
Eternity
Galactus/Phoenix/Death/Stranger/Chaos/Order
Cosmic Cube
PF is not above Imperiex by on panel feats, not at all.
Originally posted by Mr Master
That's not exactly true."LT=PF they have different roles in the universe but they are both top dogs in the Marvel Universe" hysterical
And... what Jesse 7 is talking about, was backed up by scans NOT opinions.
To begin with:..that never even happened...that was the Stranger telling a story of what is to become of humanity in the far far future...but who can believe the Stranger.
Second: Phoenix Force has never done (on panel) anything more than REPAIR a Universe(she didn't even restructure it as some would have you believe)nono
Impressive no doubt but who ever says that this scan implies anything else rather than her just Fixing a universe is full of shit.Her other major feat was repairing the Mkraan Crystal...which also was a Universal feat.
That's it..be my guest and prove me wrong ON PANEL, not with lectures and twisted bios.
We should ALL research before posting...wouldn't you say? master
Marvel hierarchy
1. TOAA
😮bviously:2. HOTU
:Absorbed LT: nuff said...3. Living Tribunal
:Because he's above the IG(like I proved in this thread)4. IG
:Because it controlled the energies of the Ultimate Nullifier:5. Ultimate Nullifier
😮bliterated and Remade the Multiverse in the blink of an eye.6. Abraxas(he can only manifest...if one of the Galactus's in Multi-verse die).
:Because only the UN can kill him:7. Multi-Eternity/Multi-Infinity(embodiments of the Multiverse/Time&Space)
:Because it's their Multiverse, Because they are the Multiverse, because they make up an infinite number of Universes(as you saw in the Cosmic Vortex)without them there's nothing, Because a Single Big Bang takes place in their immensity all the time. An entire Universe is infinitesimal in comparison to them.8. Phoenix Force/Eternity/Infinity/Entropy/Death
9. Rest of the abstracts and so on.
Imperiex was destroying countless universes, not just one, he also absorbs a universe like nothing for power to use in battle against the Spectre.
Imperiex>>>PF
Jesse, now i know you aren't reading the comics you're debating. Imperiex is simply the big bang. The guy you just described, is the Antimonitor. Try harder.
And X, the whole point of the pf, is that its true immortality. The phoenix is the ever living bird. You can kill it, but akin to DD, it will resurrect.
Originally posted by UniOmniReferring to forum rules if she takes 150 years to resurrect I'd say she loses.
Jesse, now i know you aren't reading the comics you're debating. Imperiex is simply the big bang. The guy you just described, is the Antimonitor. Try harder.And X, the whole point of the pf, is that its true immortality. The phoenix is the ever living bird. You can kill it, but akin to DD, it will resurrect.
Originally posted by Mr MasterSecond: Phoenix Force has never done (on panel) anything more than REPAIR a Universe(she didn't even restructure it as some would have you believe)nono
Impressive no doubt but who ever says that this scan implies anything else rather than her just Fixing a universe is full of shit.
Ive addressed this previously and will not do so again. After fatally wounding 616 by casually cutting away its future
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=7/18209533321.jpg&s=f5
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=7/18209545011.jpg&s=f5
Phoenix went about restructuring/repairing 616 in the palm of her hand demonstrating control of the universe in its totality right down to the sub atomic. That is the crux of the matter. Nitpicking about whether i term the feat repairing or restructuring is irrelevant as that doesnt change that point. I hope you understand that now.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Her other major feat was repairing the Mkraan Crystal...which also was a Universal feat.
The crystal is a multiversal force. When it is tampered with in one reality a wave of power sweeps across the multiverse blinking out reality after reality eventually causing all realities to collapse. Phoenixes actions halted this wave, effectively saving the entire multiverse.
Highlighting the fact that the crystal only got to effect 616 and then trying to refer to that as a universal feat is a futile exercise given that
a) That was only the case because of Phoenixes intervention
b) There is only one crystal, the wave of energy stems from one source, so whether Phoenix contained the power in 616 or after it had passed through another reality it is irrelevant. The power she contained was multiversal and can and has wiped out the multiverse. Multiversal feat. ✅
This same crystal was considered by Pre retcon Beyonder (Uncanny X-men 203) to have the power to revert him back to his primal state.
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/7/19511393773.jpg&s=f10
Given that the crystal has on panel been shown (X-men adventures 12) destroying the previous multiverse and going by Beyonders anger when Rachel decided not to use the crystal to end his time as a physical being there is no reason to doubt Beyonders opinion of the crystals power. All in all Phoenixes containment of the power is with that in mind made to look even more impressive. 😉
Originally posted by Mr Master
That's it..be my guest and prove me wrong ON PANEL, not with lectures and twisted bios.
I thought the hostility was a thing of the past MM. Making snidey comments clearly directed at me is not the way to go.
Originally posted by Mr Master
[B We should ALL research before posting...wouldn't you say? master [/B]
Indeed.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Marvel hierarchy1. TOAA
😮bviously:2. HOTU
:Absorbed LT: nuff said...3. Living Tribunal
:Because he's above the IG(like I proved in this thread)4. IG
:Because it controlled the energies of the Ultimate Nullifier:5. Ultimate Nullifier
😮bliterated and Remade the Multiverse in the blink of an eye.6. Abraxas(he can only manifest...if one of the Galactus's in Multi-verse die).
:Because only the UN can kill him:7. Multi-Eternity/Multi-Infinity(embodiments of the Multiverse/Time&Space)
:Because it's their Multiverse, Because they are the Multiverse, because they make up an infinite number of Universes(as you saw in the Cosmic Vortex)without them there's nothing, Because a Single Big Bang takes place in their immensity all the time. An entire Universe is infinitesimal in comparison to them.8. Phoenix Force/Eternity/Infinity/Entropy/Death
9. Rest of the abstracts and so on.
The problem with your hierarchy is that a lot of the things you state you have proved, you have NOT. Proving things isn’t simply a case of posting scans and then stating your opinion of what’s going on in them. As ive said before more often than not scans are open to interpretation. With an ambiguous set of scans unless the point you’re trying to make is actually stated or conclusively depicted in another source then you cannot claim your interpretation of said scans to be the truth above the interpretations of others. This is the case with your LT vs IG, the Ultimate Nullifier and the Phoenix Force arguments. With all that in mind your hierarchy is faulty. Accept that your evidence is open to interpretation and wait until a time when the points youre trying to make are actually stated on panel. If that ever happens. If it doesn’t then while youre entitled to your opinion, please keep in mind that it is solely that.
I like how youre willing to accept there is a Multi-Eternity because of one or two depictions having been made on panel (but never in a bio) and yet the Phoenix Force has been defined and depicted as a multiversal source on panel (Phoenix Consciousness of New X-men, Shiar definition of Phoenix as a multiversal nexus of psionic power) and yet you dismiss that status because you say it has never been mentioned in a bio?
Regardless as its stated on panel that the abstracts are embodiments of concepts featured within reality a reality stated by the abstracts themselves to be kick started by Phoenix via the Big Bang then of course the Phoenix Force is greater than the abstracts. The fact that Jean has held the universe in the palm of her hand as if it was nothing makes it fallacious for you to try and argue anything but the Phoenix being greater than the abstracts.
The reasoning behind your positioning of Abraxas is incredibly illogical. So what if theres only one of him. That says nothing of power. Plus where does it say only the UN could kill him? And even if that was stated why would that place him above the abstracts when he doesn’t have the feats to justify that opinion and when he is a part of Eternity (who is referred to as his father)?
