Originally posted by Rols
Superman Blue is quite formidable when it comes to energy attacks, I dont know how mags could do harm to this guy... I think his one of the most powerfull and versatile Supes incarnation out there..Normal Supes i think could be taken out by Mags full potential.
Shouldnt full potential magneto be able to manipulate gravity 😕
Originally posted by Grimm22
I donno, seeing as at full potential Magneto should be able to manipulate the polaritys of objects and people, he could possibly rip Supes in half 😬
Doubtful considering Superman has been in the center of the sun and flown away from it's gravity, held a black hole in his hands, repaired space with his body..etc.
Considering the topic however, S. Blue trumps Polaris.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Superman Blue owns either polaris or mags.Regular Supes does as well, but that's a different topic. 😉
We'll have to agree to disagree here Avy. Blue Superman had various showings that indicate Magneto would own him, while others that show otherwise.
And Regular Superman?? Not going to go down that road, but i believe DemiGawd set that straight months ago.
Supermans best offense will always be a speedblitz when it comes to Magneto. Barring that, too much versatility in Erik.
Originally posted by UniOmni
We'll have to agree to disagree here Avy. Blue Superman had various showings that indicate Magneto would own him, while others that show otherwise.And Regular Superman?? Not going to go down that road, but i believe DemiGawd set that straight months ago.
Supermans best offense will always be a speedblitz when it comes to Magneto. Barring that, too much versatility in Erik.
Going best version for best version, Supes wins. The worst that's happened to Supes happened as he was learning his powers. He controls a lot more than Mags does and has a lot more range. It's not the same class.
Demigawd put up a good fight, but sorry...he wasn't seen much after that and went around threads saying Superman wins. 😉
Versatility is in the eye of the beholder, Superman doesnt even have to be on earth to take out Eric, and Erics shield isn't taking moon destroying punches or hotter than the sun HV.
I think full potential Mags. (energy base) would be in great disadbvantage against S.Blue, its his speciality fighting energy base opponents + his got nearly complete control over every energy thrown at him. I think his only weakness would be his suit, if mags can somehow manage to manipulate the suit then S.Blue would fall.
Eriks shields won't be taking those hits though. Thats what people never seem to grasp.
When he adds that charge to the shields, the physical is nullified, and then promptly repelled. Like magnets.
And Superman never punched and destroyed a moon. He drilled through one. Impressive but not quite there.
So he'd never take one of those "moon destroying punches" since the contact would never be made.
And HV is a tk beam of molecules being agitated. Know what happens when something touches Magnetos shields??
Nothing, since the touch never happens.
Magneto can easily bend the solar away from him, and cut off his flow of power.
Hit him with his own powerful blasts capable of vast destruction.
Superman will never own Magneto.
And the only reason why he went around saying "Superman wins" is because he realized how easy the whole speedblitz thing is.
Kinda in a sarcastic way, nah mean?
Originally posted by UniOmni
Eriks shields won't be taking those hits though. Thats what people never seem to grasp.
When he adds that charge to the shields, the physical is nullified, and then promptly repelled. Like magnets.
And Superman never punched and destroyed a moon. He drilled through one. Impressive but not quite there.
So he'd never take one of those "moon destroying punches" since the contact would never be made.
And HV is a tk beam of molecules being agitated. Know what happens when something touches Magnetos shields??
Nothing, since the touch never happens.Magneto can easily bend the solar away from him, and cut off his flow of power.
Hit him with his own powerful blasts capable of vast destruction.
Superman will never own Magneto.And the only reason why he went around saying "Superman wins" is because he realized how easy the whole speedblitz thing is.
Kinda in a sarcastic way, nah mean?
HV has been shown as a laser, concussive force, and your description, agitating molecules. All 3 are correct.
Please don't tell me that you believe that Mags shields are stronger than the gravitational pull of the sun, or the strength of a black hole (normal and miniature.) or the force of a moon sized ship flying faster than light towards Superman. I highly doubt that Mags could stand there defiantly with his shields up and laugh off the force of the blow.
The physical thing is also nonsensical, if mags was on a planet that exploded, it would negate the physical force? Doubtful.
Superman never "drilled" through a moon. He flew fist first to it in one swift strike.
Superman's range with his attacks are also far greater than Magnetos, why is Superman always negated to simply stand there and punch? Freeze breath, White noise, HV, T-vo, hurricanes, moon destroying strength, faster than light speed.
Sorry, the only way mags could get a win is if Superman lets him.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
HV has been shown as a laser, concussive force, and your description, agitating molecules. All 3 are correct.Please don't tell me that you believe that Mags shields are stronger than the gravitational pull of the sun, or the strength of a black hole (normal and miniature.) or the force of a moon sized ship flying faster than light towards Superman. I highly doubt that Mags could stand there defiantly with his shields up and laugh off the force of the blow.
The physical thing is also nonsensical, if mags was on a planet that exploded, it would negate the physical force? Doubtful.
Superman never "drilled" through a moon. He flew fist first to it in one swift strike.
Superman's range with his attacks are also far greater than Magnetos, why is Superman always negated to simply stand there and punch? Freeze breath, White noise, HV, T-vo, hurricanes, moon destroying strength, faster than light speed.
Sorry, the only way mags could get a win is if Superman lets him.
Either way, Magnetos shields have taken worse than Supermans hv.
And the like charge thing is how they work. Has for a while now. Physical force doesn't work, since it never actually connects.
And honestly, if Magneto was on a planet and it did explode, i'd expect the lack of air would eventually be what kills him. Not the explosion itself.
And how is that not drilling through?? Or akin to it. Punching the moon would be him simply hitting it, and the force of the blow causing it to collapse and then go boom.
What i see whenever i look at the picture, is akin to me running through a wall with my arms extended in front of me.
Durability and thrust yeah, but not the punching strength that feat is so hyped up to be.
Freeze breath would only strengthen his shields, and hv isn't the deciding factor.
The punches would kill the Invisible Womans shields, but not Magnetos.
Can't hurt what you don't touch.
White noise is white noise. If he can handle the explosions of nukes, then i doubt the wave lengths will do him in. Maybe, but i doubt it.
Hurricanes are new to him?? Dealing with Storm for all these years?? Nah....
The speed is his best hope. Like i said, the speedblitz is the saving grace.
And to be honest, the only characters i seen actually punch planets to pieces, were Drax and Thanos.
And if Superman has moon busting strength, so does Stardust. Since He did the exact same thing people are trying to pass off for Superman as moon busting punching strength.
Superman's range with his attacks are also far greater than Magnetos, why is Superman always negated to simply stand there and punch? Freeze breath, White noise, HV, T-vo, hurricanes, moon destroying strength, faster than light speed.
Superman would not be able to function at full capability when Eric has control over Supes body, same way he controlled Cannonball from blasting but not going anywhere. Magnetos ability to control blood flows would be a downfall for Superman.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Either way, Magnetos shields have taken worse than Supermans hv.And the like charge thing is how they work. Has for a while now. Physical force doesn't work, since it never actually connects.
And honestly, if Magneto was on a planet and it did explode, i'd expect the lack of air would eventually be what kills him. Not the explosion itself.
And how is that not drilling through?? Or akin to it. Punching the moon would be him simply hitting it, and the force of the blow causing it to collapse and then go boom.
What i see whenever i look at the picture, is akin to me running through a wall with my arms extended in front of me.
Durability and thrust yeah, but not the punching strength that feat is so hyped up to be.Freeze breath would only strengthen his shields, and hv isn't the deciding factor.
The punches would kill the Invisible Womans shields, but not Magnetos.
Can't hurt what you don't touch.White noise is white noise. If he can handle the explosions of nukes, then i doubt the wave lengths will do him in. Maybe, but i doubt it.
Hurricanes are new to him?? Dealing with Storm for all these years?? Nah....
The speed is his best hope. Like i said, the speedblitz is the saving grace.
And to be honest, the only characters i seen actually punch planets to pieces, were Drax and Thanos.
And if Superman has moon busting strength, so does Stardust. Since He did the exact same thing people are trying to pass off for Superman as moon busting punching strength.
You went around some things...Black hole? HV when it's set hotter than the suns? Supermans HUGE distance advantage? Freeze breath would easily take out Mags, Supes frozen the entire inside of a planet. Sound as an attack is quite a destructive weapon, don't sleep on it. Eriks brains could easily be liquified through sound alone...
When has storm used a hurricane on mags? Drax and Thanos battle destroyed the planet (at 40 ton strengh limit mind you) they didn't "punch" it to pieces.
Stardust would utterly own Mags too..for all the same reasons that Superman does. Just like Thanos would (minus the speed of course) unless you believe that Mags shield could take punches from Thanos as well?
Originally posted by Rols
Superman would not be able to function at full capability when Eric has control over Supes body, same way he controlled Cannonball from blasting but not going anywhere. Magnetos ability to control blood flows would be a downfall for Superman.
That would be an uber full potential mags against at best, a retarted John Byrne Supes walking into attacks.
If Supes wanted, this fight would be over in seconds. Simple as that.
Mags is powerful, but he's no Surfer.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
That would be an uber full potential mags against at best, a retarted John Byrne Supes walking into attacks.If Supes wanted, this fight would be over in seconds. Simple as that.
Mags is powerful, but he's no Surfer.
Mags has shown that he is capable of doing it. Speed blitzing is not gonna work instantly unless there quite far apart, Supes have to built momentum in order to blits and use that moon destroying strength, by the time His close to mags, i think it would be too late. Anyway this fight could go both ways.
Thats the thing.
Magneto doesn't take punches. He nullifies them.
Is that so hard to understand Avy??
Am i the only person, who as a kid, tried to put two magnets together??
So yeah, i believe he can take Thanos's punches, since they'd never connect.
And cold heightens magnetic power.
Thats why Dr. Polaris fought the league either at the north or south pole. To boost his powers.
Freeze breath ain't doing nothing but helping Magneto.
And Storm has used high winds to draw the oxygen outta Eriks shields. Thats kinda pis, since Magneto has gone into space, and been fine.
And as someone who handled Dazzler, the white noise isn't the definite tie breaker.
And Thanos would beat Magneto. Simply cuz he's higher up on the villain food chain.
Most likely by nullifiying his shields through some pis way, that follows Thanos the same way it follows Superman.
When it comes to the two, what never worked for others before, suddenly works for them.
To be honest Avy, were it written by DC, Magneto would lose to Superman and badly if they knew who his primary opponents were over in Marvel.
Can't have Superman looking weaker than a bunch of muties.
But were they to respect the character and the power he wields both seen and potentially, he'd house him nearly everytime.
But all i gotta do is look at Hal and Sinestro, and know that he'd job like no tomorrow.
And why is it so hard to see that someone who controls what gives Superman his powers, can beat him?
Originally posted by UniOmni
Thats the thing.Magneto doesn't take punches. He nullifies them.
Is that so hard to understand Avy??
Am i the only person, who as a kid, tried to put two magnets together??So yeah, i believe he can take Thanos's punches, since they'd never connect.
And cold heightens magnetic power.
Thats why Dr. Polaris fought the league either at the north or south pole. To boost his powers.
Freeze breath ain't doing nothing but helping Magneto.And Storm has used high winds to draw the oxygen outta Eriks shields. Thats kinda pis, since Magneto has gone into space, and been fine.
And as someone who handled Dazzler, the white noise isn't the definite tie breaker.And Thanos would beat Magneto. Simply cuz he's higher up on the villain food chain.
Most likely by nullifiying his shields through some pis way, that follows Thanos the same way it follows Superman.When it comes to the two, what never worked for others before, suddenly works for them.
To be honest Avy, were it written by DC, Magneto would lose to Superman and badly if they knew who his primary opponents were over in Marvel.
Can't have Superman looking weaker than a bunch of muties.But were they to respect the character and the power he wields both seen and potentially, he'd house him nearly everytime.
But all i gotta do is look at Hal and Sinestro, and know that he'd job like no tomorrow.And why is it so hard to see that someone who controls what gives Superman his powers, can beat him?
The 2 magnets example is bad Uni. First, the more powerful magnet pushes the weaker one and second, both items would have to have magnetic properties of some kind. Also, as I pull the magnets away from each other, they lose their effect on each other substancially, if I put a magnet on an open flame it melts, and if I put it in the freezer, it freezes...
It still completely avoids the fact that Superman would have to literally stand there and not will anything for mags to control his powers. Mags controls magnetism and other energies are a secondary ability which require a lot more effort on his part. The eradicator turned the sun red and tossed Superman in there, and Supes still came out, fought some more and flew back to earth. Nothing in Maggies arsenal is going to top that.
There isn't anything that Mags shields can do against miles of ice instantly forming around him, nor is there anything he can do against a beam hotter than the sun (Blackrock is MUCH more powerful than mags in that regards...being powered by millions of electromagnetic devices) and was still being burned by the same HV. If Supes flies up into space and flies into Mags, I don't see Magneto making it. I'm sorry, I just don't see Mags doing it if Superman is seriously battling him.
We're getting too much into this though.
Blue Superman> Polaris or Mags.
Blue Superman high end > Magneto.
Blue Superman average < Magneto
And i guess we will have to agree to disagree.
Blackrock obviously didn't have too much know how with his own powers, if he was more powerful than Magneto and still didn't handle hv.
There is no logical reason that someone with complete control over the em spectrum can't handle hv.
And as i said before, the ice will only help Magneto. Breath away Superman.
And the whole adds like charge and repels damage thing is how its worked for a while now.
It just makes it harder for your favorite character to beat him.
It makes more sense than a ring that can do anything, or static electricity sealing rips in the space/time continum.