The Boss vs Naked Snake

Originally posted by batdude123
1. It doesn't matter, he blew her head off in the end. 😛

2. It was his time to win. EVA was full of shit anyway. I'm glad she got lost in the jungle and was never heard from again.

Actually it does. If the Boss wasn't told to loose she might not have lost.... And as I said above, I know Snake was in disbelife the first time, but the two last times (before the final battle) he wasn't holding back, still got kicked though.....

Agreed, **** EVA.

Originally posted by kamikz
Actually it does. If the Boss wasn't told to loose she might not have lost.... And as I said above, I know Snake was in disbelife the first time, but the two last times (before the final battle) he wasn't holding back, still got kicked though.....

Agreed, **** EVA.

By the end of the game, he realized his flaws in his style. If you notice that when they fought in the cut scenes, he only "locked up" with her. When you actually fight her at the end, you have to use punches and kicks to disable her. CQC is useless against her, and he knew this, so he took his advantage. Btw, she has a kickass gun. ✅

I thought it was bullshit at the very end that Ocelot was stalemating Snake when they fought. 🙄 How the hell did he get so good?

Actually, Snake won or would at least have won against Ocelot (remember, he just had the fight of his life, I think he was damn tired). But he remembers the Boss saying "use some of the basics of CQC". Now if he was supposed to face the Boss and win with the "basics of CQC" he wouldn't stand a chance. And no, Snake did kick against her in the cut scenes as well, but she deflected it. Look at the one where he fights her when he has knocked down Volgin, then again before he faces Volgin (after he planted the C4).

Yeah I hated the scene with Ocelot fighting Snake, I was like "lol Ocelot is going to be pwned" but when the fight began and they tossed eachother around I was like "WTF!!!!".

Originally posted by kamikz
Actually, Snake won or would at least have won against Ocelot (remember, he just had the fight of his life, I think he was damn tired). But he remembers the Boss saying "use some of the basics of CQC". Now if he was supposed to face the Boss and win with the "basics of CQC" he wouldn't stand a chance. And no, Snake did kick against her in the cut scenes as well, but she deflected it. Look at the one where he fights her when he has knocked down Volgin, then again before he faces Volgin (after he planted the C4).

Yeah I hated the scene with Ocelot fighting Snake, I was like "lol Ocelot is going to be pwned" but when the fight began and they tossed eachother around I was like "WTF!!!!".

No, but I mean when you fight the boss at the very end, you can't use any means of CQC, or else she'll counter it, and brake your arm or something like that. So, all you can do is throw kicks and punches at her. The majority of the times they fought against each other in the cut scenes, he used grabs and holds native to CQC. Well, that's pretty stupid to do against the CREATOR of CQC. So, at the end, it kinda made sense that he won. She only TRULY fulfilled her mission when she asked Snake to put a bullet in her when she was lying on the ground.

Volgin and Ocelot were both fruits.

No, that is more of a gameplay statistic, Volgin can't be punched, only CQC'd, The Boss can only be punched, not CQC'd. But the thing is that Snake does indeed throw a punch, a kick and an eldbow against the boss, which she easily deflects and almost breaks his arms. Snake doesn't use other unarmed combat than CQC and I don't think he would suddenly change in the end. If he beat her in something it gotta be a gunfight, but as I said before, "where is the proof she didn't fake"?

I'd like Snake to win, but I need someone to find a source to where the Boss actually tried to win before I belive he did...

Originally posted by kamikz
No, that is more of a gameplay statistic, Volgin can't be punched, only CQC'd, The Boss can only be punched, not CQC'd. But the thing is that Snake does indeed throw a punch, a kick and an eldbow against the boss, which she easily deflects and almost breaks his arms. Snake doesn't use other unarmed combat than CQC and I don't think he would suddenly change in the end. If he beat her in something it gotta be a gunfight, but as I said before, "where is the proof she didn't fake"?

I'd like Snake to win, but I need someone to find a source to where the Boss actually tried to win before I belive he did...

If you noticed in the very end of the fight, she said "You're worthy of the title 'Big Boss' now." She wasn't holding back against him at that time. She needed to test him and to not hand him anything easy. We can safely assume that he won because she handed the title of "Big Boss" to him after they fought. The times that they fought in the cutscenes, Snake commented on how he really couldn't fight her because he thought of her as a mother. Although, the Major kept telling him that it was his mission in the end to stop her AT ALL COSTS. So, he finally realized he needed to not hold back against her at that time. There were plenty of times in the cut scenes where he caught her arm, and could've knocked her out, but he hesitated. So, finally in the end going all out, they proved who the superior soldier was, and it was Snake.

At least that's my take on it...

Yes, she was comforting him, and she only said "your a wonderful man, there can only be one Snake and one Boss". And the Boss was told to die against her favourite pupil, she could not return to America. What would Boss have done after she BETRAYED the country she actually fought for, and was told that she could never return to America, and was wanted by Russia as well.... The Boss had no reason to be alive any longer, and her whole mission was based on this, she wouldn't stop just to think "I need to give him a good match".....

Snake said that in the beginning, but as we see in the cut scenes, he both throws punches, kicks and tries to overcome her with techniques, all which miserably fails..... You can't belive that Ocelot (who Snake had a pretty tough match with, although he won or would have) would stand near a chance against Boss in CQC....

Originally posted by kamikz
Probably, but he still had a tough match with Ocelot in the end, who was only taught slightly by the Boss, I don't think Snake in the matter of a day could possibly match her.....

But where does it say that the Boss tried to win?

Originally posted by kamikz
Yes, she was comforting him, and she only said "your a wonderful man, there can only be one Snake and one Boss". And the Boss was told to die against her favourite pupil, she could not return to America. What would Boss have done after she BETRAYED the country she actually fought for, and was told that she could never return to America, and was wanted by Russia as well.... The Boss had no reason to be alive any longer, and her whole mission was based on this, she wouldn't stop just to think "I need to give him a good match".....

Snake said that in the beginning, but as we see in the cut scenes, he both throws punches, kicks and tries to overcome her with techniques, all which miserably fails..... You can't belive that Ocelot (who Snake had a pretty tough match with, although he won or would have) would stand near a chance against Boss in CQC....

2nd fight
Surprised to find she has caught him and still is confused by her actions

3rd fight
Attacked while knocking the shit out of Volgin

4th fight
once again caught off guard but manages to keep up a good fight

5th and final fight
prepared to carry out his duty if he doesn't he's as good as dead and boss has told him to give her a good fight.
the fifth fight seems like motivation to me. What reason would she have to hold back might I ask you none. She's smart though and there are many mistakes you could fake like I tried using the death pill and she just yelled at me to gwt up and stop faking she could've walked over to help you out but she didn't she gave her all.

Does every guard in the game have an order NOT to win? Does every guard in the game have an order to DIE at the hands of Snake? Hmmm not really....

Actually yeah they do.

Originally posted by FG725
he would've done his mission anyway. They both would've died so therefore she obviously wouldn't have anything to do. Maybe she knew Snake had what it would take to beat her. If you notice everytime they fought Snake was surprised caught off guard.
1st fight on the bridge
Doesn't no what to do and probably doesn't want to try and kill his former master

2nd fight
Surprised to find she has caught him and still is confused by her actions

3rd fight
Attacked while knocking the shit out of Volgin

4th fight
once again caught off guard but manages to keep up a good fight

5th and final fight
prepared to carry out his duty if he doesn't he's as good as dead and boss has told him to give her a good fight.
the fifth fight seems like motivation to me. What reason would she have to hold back might I ask you none. She's smart though and there are many mistakes you could fake like I tried using the death pill and she just yelled at me to gwt up and stop faking she could've walked over to help you out but she didn't she gave her all.

1st fight. Yes, Snake didn't want to shoot her or anything. Though he wields a knife while she is unarmed....

2th fight. They stand and talk for a long time, she tells him that he was foolish to come back and that he should go home. Then she attacks, she kicks his ass.....

3th fight. She disarms Snake. He gets on his feet while the Boss trashes his gun, at this point, they are both on even ground, as the 2th fight. Boss disables Snake....

4th fight. Same deal, disarms him, then he attacks, she again disables him...

5th and final fight. They are both fighting....

So seriousley, how can you guys even consider Snake to win in a CQC fight when he has gotten his ass kicked by her every time. And he was trying to hit her, he was the one throwing punches against her in the cutscenes, she just defended or countered, or disabled his guns. And she was a master of CQC at this point, forgot the scene IN THE END where Snake remembers Boss saying "try to remember the basics of CQC". Now who wins, the one who uses the basics of CQC or the master of CQC?

Again, she was ordered to die against him. She couldn't go back anywhere, and the whole "I am defecting to the Soviet Union" was because she was told to. She had already got the name "betrayer" amongst other names, she still carried out her duties. She would not try to kill the man she loved, even less when she is told to die at his hands....

Originally posted by kamikz
1st fight. Yes, Snake didn't want to shoot her or anything. Though he wields a knife while she is unarmed....

2th fight. They stand and talk for a long time, she tells him that he was foolish to come back and that he should go home. Then she attacks, she kicks his ass.....

3th fight. She disarms Snake. He gets on his feet while the Boss trashes his gun, at this point, they are both on even ground, as the 2th fight. Boss disables Snake....

4th fight. Same deal, disarms him, then he attacks, she again disables him...

5th and final fight. They are both fighting....

So seriousley, how can you guys even consider Snake to win in a CQC fight when he has gotten his ass kicked by her every time. And he was trying to hit her, he was the one throwing punches against her in the cutscenes, she just defended or countered, or disabled his guns. And she was a master of CQC at this point, forgot the scene IN THE END where Snake remembers Boss saying "try to remember the basics of CQC". Now who wins, the one who uses the basics of CQC or the master of CQC?

Again, she was ordered to die against him. She couldn't go back anywhere, and the whole "I am defecting to the Soviet Union" was because she was told to. She had already got the name "betrayer" amongst other names, she still carried out her duties. She would not try to kill the man she loved, even less when she is told to die at his hands....

But you don't get it, she would not kill him because she wasn't allowed (except if you find a quote from Hideo or anyone else confirming that she was) and her last duty was to be killed by him. Snake might have been able to win that fight (because it was a fight with guns and overall survival) but the Boss was holding back as the game describes it in the end. Is there any proof that Big Boss is above the Boss except in this last fight?

Originally posted by kamikz
But you don't get it, she would not kill him because she wasn't allowed (except if you find a quote from Hideo or anyone else confirming that she was) and her last duty was to be killed by him. Snake might have been able to win that fight (because it was a fight with guns and overall survival) but the Boss was holding back as the game describes it in the end. Is there any proof that Big Boss is above the Boss except in this last fight?

Originally posted by kamikz
Yes, she was comforting him, and she only said "your a wonderful man, there can only be one Snake and one Boss". And the Boss was told to die against her favourite pupil, she could not return to America. What would Boss have done after she BETRAYED the country she actually fought for, and was told that she could never return to America, and was wanted by Russia as well.... The Boss had no reason to be alive any longer, and her whole mission was based on this, she wouldn't stop just to think "I need to give him a good match".....

Snake said that in the beginning, but as we see in the cut scenes, he both throws punches, kicks and tries to overcome her with techniques, all which miserably fails..... You can't belive that Ocelot (who Snake had a pretty tough match with, although he won or would have) would stand near a chance against Boss in CQC....

Why would Boss want to die anything other than an honorable soldier's death? She tried her hardest, and lost. Snake may have been fighting her in the cut scenes, but can we honestly say he was trying his hardest until the very end of the game? I doubt it. She also wouldn't give him the title of "Big Boss" if she didn't think he deserved it. It's the classic tale of an apprentince finally over coming his master. That's all it is. Not to mention in the final encounter they were BOTH using guns. Tell me this: If she was going easy on him, then why the hell was she shooting at him? 🤨 Exactly, she didn't want to give him an easy fight. She tried her hardest; he tried his hardest and he fulfilled his mission to take her out. In the end, it was proven that he was the superior soldier.

Originally posted by batdude123
By the end of the game, he realized his flaws in his style. If you notice that when they fought in the cut scenes, he only "locked up" with her. When you actually fight her at the end, you have to use punches and kicks to disable her. CQC is useless against her, and he knew this, so he took his advantage. Btw, she has a kickass gun. ✅

Originally posted by batdude123
Why would Boss want to die anything other than an honorable soldier's death? She tried her hardest, and lost. Snake may have been fighting her in the cut scenes, but can we honestly say he was trying his hardest until the very end of the game? I doubt it. She also wouldn't give him the title of "Big Boss" if she didn't think he deserved it. It's the classic tale of an apprentince finally over coming his master. That's all it is. Not to mention in the final encounter they were BOTH using guns. Tell me this: If she was going easy on him, then why the hell was she shooting at him? 🤨 Exactly, she didn't want to give him an easy fight. She tried her hardest; he tried his hardest and he fulfilled his mission to take her out. In the end, it was proven that he was the superior soldier.

An honorable death? LOL! She had already made herself the reputation of the most dishonorable crook in history, why would she disobey their last order? And Boss NEVER killed Snake, she always kept him alive although she had hundreds and hundreds of oppertunities to kill him. She even gave him the fake death pill (by shooting a fake bullet which was a death pill into his leg) and disarmed Volgin when he was about to kill him. Boss had an order that he would kill her, I mean, why else would she WAIT for him to come, she would have escaped if she really wanted to live. I don't get this, she had an order, she was a patriot, she followed her orders blindly, and she was told to loose against Snake, why would she suddenly not`? And she never said he had to defeat her to get the rank of Big Boss, damn, Boss didn't even know there was a rank of BIG Boss, it was the president that made it up....

And we never see Boss shooting at him, she readys herself in melee fight (I didn't remember that before). Besides, every time she runs to him she yells "GET READY". She is literally preparing Snake to do it. And you CAN fake miss, you don't need to aim, and if you don't aim to hit, you don't hit...

Originally posted by Sam Z
ctually CQC was not useless, you could still counter her attacks with it.
And what's wrong with EVA? 😕

It's useless to ATTACK her with it, of course you can still counter her with it, but if you attack her with it, she'll end up countering you and breaking your arm. 😉

What's wrong with EVA??? What's NOT wrong with EVA? She scams you, has sex with you, almost KILLS you, and then takes off with the philosophy income thingy for China. WHAT A ****!!!

Originally posted by Sam Z
ctually CQC was not useless, you could still counter her attacks with it.
And what's wrong with EVA? 😕

Originally posted by batdude123
Why would Boss want to die anything other than an honorable soldier's death? She tried her hardest, and lost. Snake may have been fighting her in the cut scenes, but can we honestly say he was trying his hardest until the very end of the game? I doubt it. She also wouldn't give him the title of "Big Boss" if she didn't think he deserved it. It's the classic tale of an apprentince finally over coming his master. That's all it is. Not to mention in the final encounter they were BOTH using guns. Tell me this: If she was going easy on him, then why the hell was she shooting at him? 🤨 Exactly, she didn't want to give him an easy fight. She tried her hardest; he tried his hardest and he fulfilled his mission to take her out. In the end, it was proven that he was the superior soldier.