the OFFICIAL thread of MYTHOLOGIC GREECE

ZUES.........HADES.........POSIDEN.........APHRODITE..........ARIES.......
ILLIAD........ODYSSEY.........TROY.............HOMER............all that jazz!

THE OFFICIAL PLACE TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THIS!

I will start (somethin easy)

Did you know that Oddysseus and Ulysses are the SAME person?

Odysseus and Ulysses are two essentially idenical names for the same person.

yes-Ulysses is the latin name for odysseus.....but is that why Home named the Odyssey the Odyssey? because it is the tales of Odysseus?

Because homer was Greek and the second name was interoduced after he died.

really? but people arent sure if homer is real. no wait......jk. they dont know if the stories he wrote are true

No. People aren't sure if he was real. His sotries may have just been attributed to him.

Clive Cussler wrote a fictional account of how Homer was a Celtic poet, writing about a war across the English Channel. The proper Troy has never been found, and the isalnd of "Ithaca" has no ruins on it...no evidence of human activity.

There are many Islands off the norhtern coast of France. Ones with unatrributed ruins. The bronze age relied on tin. TO make bronze its 90% copper (easily found all over) and 10% tin (rough estimates). However there are not a lot of tine mines around Greece and Europe in general. It makes perfect sense to have a war to try to take over those mines. Then the Odysseus yould be a journey across the Atlantic...and easy place to end up in the event of a bad storm if you were siling back to France.

The greeks then co-opted Homer's poem to their own "trojan war"

hmmmmm. Very interesting. But they have found ruins. So how do you know that everything Homer wrote about isnt true? It very well could be.

Ruins of what? On Ithaca....no. The proper city of Troy....no.

hmmm. and what about the trojan horse? was it actually a horse? because some researchers believe that it wasnt a horse, but a battleing ram. they believe that the greeks found the weekest place in the walls of troy, and used a BATTLEING RAM to knock down the walls, not a wooden horse. very difficult, if you ask me. because IF troy is a true city/country, i do believe that the walls surrounding the city would have been too strong to be just knocked down.

There's not much if any fact backing up Homer's account of the Torjan war. But its still a very entertaining tale...if you can keep your Ajaxes straight.

yeah thats true. so have you read either the Illiad or the Odyssey?

I listened to the Illiad on cassette 😖! when I was in middle school. I read the Odyssey in High school.

I also just read a two novel sci-fi interpretation of the Iliad...quite literally by Dan Simmons. (Ilium and Olympos)

Originally posted by Alliance
There's not much if any fact backing up Homer's account of the Torjan war. But its still a very entertaining tale...if you can keep your Ajaxes straight.

Oh come on...It's easy...Here's how you remember them:

There's Ajax the Sheep killer, and then there's Ajax the Lightning Rod. 😛

Originally posted by OhILuvHP
hmmmmm. Very interesting. But they have found ruins. So how do you know that everything Homer wrote about isnt true? It very well could be.

The Iliad and Odyssey are taken from ancient sources...They've been changed and refined since the 9-6 BC....I doubt the story how we know it today ever really happened.

Indeed, highly unlikely that they happened in that way. Unless the archaeologists are finding things like the Scylla and not telling us. scared

It's all good storytelling. Like Beowulf and Gilgamesh.

Actually Troy did exist. It is believed by historians and archaeologists to lie in what is now known as present day 'the Dardenneles'.

The truth is Troy was invaded and burned down to the ground on many occasions. Being such an important city right in the middle of the Aegean, there was much incentive in who controlled the waterways.

Of course the whole tale of 'the face that launched a thousand ships' is just that a fairy tale. The Iliad, the Odyssey and all of Homer's other epic tales.

Couldn't edit in time.

I should add more specifically the location is in the northwestern province of Turkey called Çanakkale.

Zeus*, Posedion*

Anywho, while we're talking about all that Jazz, lets chat about less familiar ones, such as Aeneid, by Virgil.

The ultimate Trojan revenge, if you want to put it so.

I liked this book. Although it was an attempt to have the equivalent of the Odyssey, it is still a good read. As for historical accuracy....ha.

I think the idea that Homer was a Celtic writer is very unlikely. He was deffinitively Greek, and he spoke of the most important war.

I thought Troy was believed to have been where Turkey is today. Anyway, Aeneid by Virgil, confirms the idea of Troy being in ruins, people escaping nd building a totally new empire.
Somehow, I just can't see him taking such from the Celtic writer...it just seems too...odd.

Originally posted by Alliance
Ruins of what? On Ithaca....no. The proper city of Troy....no.

I have a homie who did time up in Ithaca.

Oh shit, we're talking mythology? nevermind.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

I think the idea that Homer was a Celtic writer is very unlikely. He was deffinitively Greek, and he spoke of the most important war.

And what war was that? The war for Helen?...Eh, there's really no "solid" evidence that there was a war to begin with....As for Homer being Celtic, there's really no way to tell; after all his "stories" were passed down for hundreds of years. Who knows how they were altered.

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
And what war was that? The war for Helen?...Eh, there's really no "solid" evidence that there was a war to begin with....As for Homer being Celtic, there's really no way to tell; after all his "stories" were passed down for hundreds of years. Who knows how they were altered.

Um, no.

Unless you think every other play writer after Homer was ''Celt' Homer was GREEK.

Let me guess, Euripides might have been a Celt too?! Aristophanes too?

That idea Homer being Celtic is very stupid, and supported by absolutely nothing.