Oh, what a surprise ... no charges for Menezes officers

Police officers shot this innocent man seven times in the head while others held him down and no-one is going to be charged for this blatant murder.

The fascist state: It's official

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5186050.stm

what are your opinions on this

****ed up 😖 what more is there to say?

Originally posted by PVS
****ed up 😖 what more is there to say?

scared I wouldn't say anything, they might put a bullet in your head. 😱

the verdict didnt surprise me at all though somehow.

witnesses say he saw the officers and had a look of terror in his eyes. he ran, but he had no bombs so why was he so afraid?.

The part that disturbs me the most is the part where they had him down on the floor and still decided to kill him. Made all the worse by the fact that they shot him seven times.

-AC

Originally posted by Deano
the verdict didnt surprise me at all though somehow.

witnesses say he saw the officers and had a look of terror in his eyes. he ran, but he had no bombs so why was he so afraid?.

He thought someone would put a bullet in his head, and he was right. 😱 Victim mentality.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The part that disturbs me the most is the part where they had him down on the floor and still decided to kill him. Made all the worse by the fact that they shot him seven times.

-AC

thats it? people are killed in far worse ways all the time, every day. what disturbs me is the u.k. collectively cramming their heads up their own asses and letting them off...and they are STILL ON THE BEAT 😖 thats what i find most disturbing.

he obviously knew something he wasnt meant to. he went to flee the city but they caught up with him and blew him away. and they used the exuse they thought he had a bomb. they said he was wearing a think jacket but that turned out to be a lie....as usual.

theres definetly more to this but as usual the truth will probably never be known

Originally posted by PVS
thats it? people are killed in far worse ways all the time, every day. what disturbs me is the u.k. collectively cramming their heads up their own asses and letting them off...and they are STILL ON THE BEAT 😖 thats what i find most disturbing.

Yeah I know, I'm not saying it's better or worse, I'm saying that it's odd.

-AC

Despite the uncertainty this prosecution will create we will not shrink from our key role of protecting public safety.

But at what price?

Try taking a look at the law and you will see why there was a decision not to prosecute.

Legal experts are in agreement here- no case would have any chance of meeting the required standards to prosecute an individual person. You would have to prove it was gross negligence, and in turn for which you would have to prove it was malicious, which you could never, ever do.

So instead the legal action is being taken against the Police as a whole for allowing a situation in which such a mistake could be made. It is hardly fair to blame the officers in the ground who were told a. it is a suicide bomber and b. take him out. They did their jobs 100%.

"The part that disturbs me the most is the part where they had him down on the floor and still decided to kill him. Made all the worse by the fact that they shot him seven times."

Those are the guidelines for dealing with suicide bombers. Any hesitation with the genuine article there and then you are dead, your colleagues are dead and a load of the public is dead.

The error is in the identification, NOT the methods. Those methods are essential if it ever is the real deal.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
The error is in the identification, NOT the methods. Those methods are essential if it ever is the real deal.

I understand that, but what methods did they use to ID the guy? What aspect of his behavior was representative?

It was a cock up from the surveillance area. They had a good lead that a dangerous person was inside the building concerned but a string of mistakes led to Jean Charles being wrongly fingered when he left it. It was a terrible run of bad luck, but it was also a cock-up in an area where cock-ups should not be allowed and that is why legal action is being taken against the police.

Originally posted by Deano
he obviously knew something he wasnt meant to. he went to flee the city but they caught up with him and blew him away. and they used the exuse they thought he had a bomb. they said he was wearing a think jacket but that turned out to be a lie....as usual.

theres definetly more to this but as usual the truth will probably never be known

"They", of course, was the public. It was witnesses who made that claim, in error.

But, did he have a back pack or resist in some way, after they fingered him? It just seems like seven shots to the head is a bit much. I can't really comment on this since this link is the first I've heard of it. And was there an actual dangerous person there that they missed?

Those shots to the head are simply what you do to a suicide bomber, and it was under thoser guidelines that those tailing him were ordered to stop him at all costs. That is simple faith in your superior officers, which is as essential in the police as it is in the army. Besides, wearing a backpack is hardly a relevant issue; suicide bombers can easily look innocuous.

And whether the actual suspect was missed or not is not known- the surveillance operation os not something open to public knowledge, of course. Though I would imagine any terrorist living there would be pretty silly not to work out he was being watched after all that.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
The error is in the identification, NOT the methods. Those methods are essential if it ever is the real deal.

First off, they allegedly had him pinned down and were in no apparant danger, since he couldn't set off a bomb that way anyway. This is why I was curious as to why they shot him in the first place.

Second, if you are saying the killing was necessary or can be, then fine, but seven times in the head is not. Body, maybe. Unless the man was a zombie or The Terminator (You can't kill him), then I will wait here while you explain why seven head shots were entirely necessary, because here I am thinking that one would suffice.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The part that disturbs me the most is the part where they had him down on the floor and still decided to kill him. Made all the worse by the fact that they shot him seven times.

-AC

Supposedly this was to prevent his fingers from moving on the trigger of his imaginary gun.

Those cops should be held accountable. Not only did they kill an innocent man, they tried to cover it up.

I didnt even hear of this in the US. I think its pretty outrageous.

They shud have got their facts right before assuming he was a terrorist.. theyve taken an innocent persons life becoz of their own mistake.. and nothings gettin done about it thts why people are angry and upset.. fair enuff the officers were doin their job but the people above them shud have been 100% sure tht he was the terrorist