Originally posted by Spartan ll
Yeah,he can,you obviously haven't read Purge,and that's only a few months after Vader got the suit,imagine ROTJ Vader vs those Jedi.No contest,Vader>PT Jedi.
You're right, I obviously haven't read Purge despite it being on display at swtimeline. Him defeating two Jedi Masters, and a Jedi Knight is impressive of course, but I could just as easily say call me when he takes down three Jedi Masters (one compared to Obi-Wan I believe, the other said to be a master swordsmen) in a matter of seconds. Just imagine, that was Palpatine before he had the chance to actually fully delve himself into more Darkside knowledge (because of the Jedi naturally).
Seriously though - Vader's killing three Jedi is an awesome display of his strength and power, however you make it seem as if he decimated them all with a wave of his hand. A hand that was actually cut off by a Jedi Knight yet again in Purge. He also would've died anyways, had it not been for the troopers, but that's besides the point. Sidious was able to basically replicate the feat (to a higher degree) yet I didn't see a "No contest. Sidious > PT Jedi" sign on the cover of ROTS. Did you?
I'm guessing not because we saw Sidious being put on his ass by a Jedi.
Vader wasn't too powerful in Purge. He was still getting used to his suit and lost potential, and I would imagine that he was having trouble with dealing with Padme's death, especially considering he believed that he had killed her. imo, he's on the level of someone like Kit Fisto at this point, maybe not even that.
Purge was months after Rise of Dath Vader,but he probably still was getting used to it.And I was using him in that time frame as an example.If he could take don 2 Jedi easily at that time,imagine what ROTJ Vader could do.
And you forget,Motoko,Vader hunted donw Jedi even AAFTER he was wounded by Kenobi,the ones in Temple wouldve been easy,considering most of the Jedi in it were padawans,younglings,a historian,and a saber trainer(He wouldve been trouble if Vader was in his suit at the time,but Vader wouldve killed him in the end,considering he did it so easily in ROTS without the suit.).And I was saying imagine ROTJ Vader against those Jedi,remember,he still has his upper body that can use the force to strengthen him,and add that tom the cybernetics,and those Jedi don't stand a chance with the strength he's wielding.People grossly underestimate Vader.
Originally posted by Spartan ll
[B]Purge was months after Rise of Dath Vader,but he probably still was getting used to it.And I was using him in that time frame as an example.If he could take don 2 Jedi easily at that time,imagine what ROTJ Vader could do.
Apparently not even take one Jedi. I seem to remember Vader being put on his ass by Luke "Louisville Slugger" Skywalker. Now tell me - since when did the two Jedi Masters and one Jedi Knight hold a candle to the likes of Obi-Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda, Depa (granted she turned to the Darkside, but still) ?
And you forget,Motoko,Vader hunted donw Jedi even AAFTER he was wounded by Kenobi,the ones in Temple wouldve been easy,considering most of the Jedi in it were padawans,younglings,a historian,and a saber trainer(He wouldve been trouble if Vader was in his suit at the time,but Vader wouldve killed him in the end,considering he did it so easily in ROTS without the suit.).And I was saying imagine ROTJ Vader against those Jedi,remember,he still has his upper body that can use the force to strengthen him,and add that tom the cybernetics,and those Jedi don't stand a chance with the strength he's wielding.People grossly underestimate Vader.
How am I underestimating Vader whatsoever ? You're overestimating him. Firstly, I can't see what Vader's cybernetic enhancements have to do with anything - they certainly didn't save Grievous. And since when has strength been the end all solution ? I could just as easily claim that the speed Yoda has will give Vader no chance at winning. But I won't, because that'd be stupid.
Yoda's capable of carrying a freaking gun the size of a house on his back:
I really don't see how Vader's physical strength is going to play a huge determining factor (or at least as big of a deal as you're making it out to be) since the Force allows you to reach superhuman strength anyways. Here's a quote from Vader:
"With the power of his arms alone, he had the ability to lift an adult being off the ground. But the Force had always given him the ability to do that, especially in moments of rage, as he had demonstrated on Tatooine and elsewhere." - RODV.
Clearly you don't need to be a cyborg to be strong. Though I will admit it helps and the enhancements Vader has makes him double a normal humans strength, but it doesn't mean that he's necessarily going to win since the Force can compete with it. I'd bet ROTS Anakin was physically stronger than Yoda (obvious), but he'd probably have lost.
Originally posted by Spartan ll
Purge was months after Rise of Dath Vader,but he probably still was getting used to it.And I was using him in that time frame as an example.If he could take don 2 Jedi easily at that time,imagine what ROTJ Vader could do.
And you forget,Motoko,Vader hunted donw Jedi even AAFTER he was wounded by Kenobi,the ones in Temple wouldve been easy,considering most of the Jedi in it were padawans,younglings,a historian,and a saber trainer(He wouldve been trouble if Vader was in his suit at the time,but Vader wouldve killed him in the end,considering he did it so easily in ROTS without the suit.).And I was saying imagine ROTJ Vader against those Jedi,remember,he still has his upper body that can use the force to strengthen him,and add that tom the cybernetics,and those Jedi don't stand a chance with the strength he's wielding.People grossly underestimate Vader.
You seem to be misunderstanding a few things.. Vader hunted down the Jedi with the complete help of stormtroopers/empire. It is NOT as if Vader went from planet to planet destroying Jedi himself, that's ridiculous. I don't think anybody underestimates ROTJ Vader. I personally would put him above ROTS Vader in force abilities but below him in saber combat.
