An Updated Evaluation of the GDF

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An Updated Evaluation of the GDF

[I give my regards to KharmaDog, as it is his thread that made me consider making this.]

KMC, you beat me.

Really, you did. Which is why I've been such an on-again/off-again poster.

You see, I'd post and post and post for some time, and then other people would post and post and post. And it was all the same stuff. But, it grew tiring. I literally felt completely drained of energy after a "session" of KMC's GDF. In order to rebuild my reserves, I'd take a long break, gather up the energy to come back to the GDF, and the process would repeat itself.

Well, I'm back, for now. [What great news.]

And, in my time off, I did some thinking. Why, exactly, was I feeling so enervated by the GDF? Was it because I was in the minority of my views? Nah, I didn't think so. Was it just the typing away at the keyboard for extended periods of time? Probably not. Was it the people at KMC?

Now this had merit to it. But, it wasn't the people in particular. I've encountered enough conservatives and liberals alike to know that it wasn't the people themselves that were sucking the will from me. And it wasn't purposeful.

I tried recalling certain posts to which I responded that lead to this energy-deficient state, and I realized what the problem was:

How people posted.

And now I know what rots KMC from the inside-out. Kharma originally posted this thread asking for our opinions on the GDF. Rather, I'm going to ask you for your opinions on my opinions of what's wrong with the posting habits of the GDF.

There are several archetypal posters who, in my opinion, diminish the value of KMC as a whole. Rather than being a place of enlightened discussion and debate, they aid in reducing the GDF to the typical flame-war scenario observable on most any forum.

Allow me to preface this with the following:

I am under the impression that so many of us have grown bloated on the freedom of speech that we need to go through a time of fasting to truly appreciate it. We have become so accustomed to the right to say whatever we want, whenever we want, that we have abused and mistreated this wonderful freedom. In all honesty, I think it would be good for many to experience a complete loss of the freedom of speech in order to help them to truly appreciate it.

We ought to be thankful for such a thing that many men fought and died for in numerous wars throughout history. Instead, we take it for granted and boldly declare our right to speak our minds.

That attitude disturbs me greatly.

So, without further ado, allow me to introduce the poster-children posters who harm KMC.

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1. The *******.

This poster is a jerk. He or she might engage you in sensible debate, but the entire response is so riddled with insults (either outright or thinly-veiled) and condescension that it immediately provokes a negative knee-jerk response.

This, of course, leads to insults flying back and forth from both parties, and, if the ******* responds to multiple people, the shit REALLY starts to fly as the thread gets completely out of hand. May or may not boast of his or her prowess in debate in retrospect.

2. The asshat.

Similar to the *******, the asshat revels in provoking negative responses from other posters. His most recognized "accomplishments" is invading a thread, posting inflammatory things, and then disappearing as his agitation of certain posters leads them to fly off the handle, causing total thread derailment.

3. The Wielder of the Inflamed Wit.

The Wielder holds within himself an unusual sharpness of tongue. Unfortunately, he also holds within himself an ornery, cantankerous spirit. The combination of these two features will more often than not provoke the use of said sharpness of tongue for any slight of his or her character, ideology, etc.--both real and imagined.

Whether or not it's a loquacious post in which the Wielder makes an attempt to portray himself as some sort of Socrates incarnate (woefully inept at being anything save for an obvious counterfeit) or a simple insult, this poster ends up in the midst of ping-pong debates that are more interested in the posters themselves than the topic at hand

4. The derailer.

This poster does not start flame wars or directly harm a thread, but he or she has a tendency to engage in side conversations with other posters. The thread goes off-topic and is eventually buried and/or closed.

5. The know-nothing-at-all.

This poster dives into a debate without knowing anything. At all. [Hence the name.] He or she will support his or her opinion with things that are factually inaccurate--and have been for some time.

As a result, other posters start showing the know-nothing-at-all how he or she is incorrect, the know-nothing-at-all fortifies his or her position either by posting articles that support his or her factually inaccurate position or attacking the veracity of the articles disproving his or her beliefs (though the know-nothing-at-all poster will often employ both strategies in a single thread, but at different times).

6. 😆 😂 🙄

This poster overuses the above three smilie faces in order to show his or her dismissal of another's opinion. This poster also will not hesitate to mock other posters through satire or sarcasm, with results that even an inebriated weatherman could predict accurately.

7. The hypocrite.

[The hypocrite is the most contributing source to my enervation, I feel.]

This poster isn't a hypocrite in the sense that he or she says, "I support a particular view" and then does something contradictory. Rather, the hypocrite is one who rains down sulfur, brimstone, and flame-posts from the heavens when an individual exhibits a characteristic (often times ignorance, broad generalizations, etc.) on a view that conflicts with the hypocrite's own. However, when a supporter of the hypocrite's view exhibits the same characteristic, the hypocrite agrees, demonstrates approval, or remains silent.
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Well? Am I correct, or am I incorrect? For anyone considering it, save your "this poster makes threads about how crappy other posters on the GDF are" posts; I've already written them in my head.

As an addendum, the fundamental problem I see with forums on the Internet as a whole are statements such as the following:

"Anyone who thinks [X] is an idiot."
"I suppose I'd believe [Y] if I were missing half my brain."
"[Z] is retarded."

Where [X], [Y], and [Z] are various thoughts on any topics.

[Please note that I am fully aware that this isn't an evaluation of the GDF per se. I had originally begun to write it as such, but I ended up changing it. The title didn't, though.]

Well, I guess I agree to an extend, since I can see all those characters in the GDF (and sadly might have to admit that I fit one or more of said categories....although I won't), but....nah, forget the "but" I agree with you, Shitty.

Good to have you back by the way (4)

you forgot:

depressed moderate conservative/liberal someone who holds a fairly sensable view on politics, but unfortunately falls on the side of idiocy. where he/she might find like minded people in their day to day lives, on the internet they encounter nothing but far left/right lunatics who give them a bad name.

example:

DMC: i just think the welfare system is in desperate need of reform.

far right loony: YEAH!!! THOSE DAMN N****** ARE TAKIN A FREE RIDE ON OUR TAX DOLLARS!!! WHITE POWER!!!!

DMC: ............*leaves*

or:

DML: i think this war is a huge mistake and i feel we were misled by politicians exploiting a national tragedy.

far left looney: YEAH!!!! GEORGE BUSH PLANNED 911!!! ANARCHY!!!!

DML: ........*leaves*

Originally posted by PVS
you forgot:

[b]depressed moderate conservative/liberal someone who holds a fairly sensable view on politics, but unfortunately falls on the side of idiocy. where he/she might find like minded people in their day to day lives, on the internet they encounter nothing but far left/right lunatics who give them a bad name.

example:

DMC: i just think the welfare system is in desperate need of reform.

far right loony: YEAH!!! THOSE DAMN N****** ARE TAKIN A FREE RIDE ON OUR TAX DOLLARS!!! WHITE POWER!!!!

DMC: ............*leaves*

or:

DML: i think this war is a huge mistake and i feel we were misled by politicians exploiting a national tragedy.

far left looney: YEAH!!!! GEORGE BUSH PLANNED 911!!! ANARCHY!!!!

DML: ........*leaves* [/B]

Those are not the problem though, those are the people one wishes to have instead of the problem, like me for example, a nice and friendly moderate liberal (real one, not communist)...damn, I'm awesome

im trying to figure out which one i am....

*waits for trolling* 😗

Originally posted by PVS
im trying to figure out which one i am....

*waits for trolling* 😗

I don't know *cough*everthingsibush's fault-bushmustdie*cough*

hey, i'll give him credit where credit is due...........*thinks hard*.........ok....best monkey impersonation ever

Hehehe.

As to the question. Yes, to an extent I would agree - a forum is very much about the people, and while usually I find it good, there have been times when certain individuals have really irked me, despite my most rational thoughts of "forget about them, this is a forum, who cares how oblivious they are" - but still it made me sigh.

Fortunately that is a rare event. And those are fairly good categories. Can't help but wonder which I fall in (I am fairly sure I might fall in a couple of them)

Unfortunately, we've all been one of the above posters...some people just make a habit of it more than others.

I retract my statement about how the hypocrite is the one who sucks the life from me. In his place, I nominate:

8. The basher.

No, this poster doesn't mindlessly 'bash' individuals based on their opinions. Instead, he or she has difficulty writing anything that doesn't involve a slam to a particular group of people--political, religious, whatever. The basher might think of him/herself as being terribly witty, but his or her bashing negates any point of his or her post: everyone who takes the included 'bash' as a slight immediately leaps upon the basher, ruining any chance at a reasonable discussion.

This is the killer for me. It wears me out. We live in a country that promotes this, too--just look at attention-whores like Anne Coulter. The basher can't keep his or her ****ing mouth shut to save his or her life and completely ruins topics. This one, I think, is the most prevalent on any message board...and the one who most detracts from them.

The basher might combine his or her discipline with other habits of bad posters. For example, he or she might say, "I think I've heard more intelligent things said by Bush."

Now, what does this do?

1. It insults the poster to whom the basher is replying.
2. It raises the hackles of anyone who supports the president.

With the partisanship of the citizens of the United States being the determining factor of politics, the basher has just guaranteed the demise of the thread. It will probably be closed shortly thereafter after it has spread into a raging forum fire spanning numerous pages.

This, my fellow posters, is the number one activity which must stop. (Not the partisanship part, but that should, too.) In my opinion, the basher negates any argument he or she has made supporting his or her beliefs simply because he or she has proven an inability to make a sound argument sans deliberately stepping on the toes of others. I am not saying that one should censor one's opinions--particularly on an Internet forum--but that one should not be a jerk when posting them.

How about 'The Guy Who Can't Deal With Shit So Leaves, Then Comes Back - Woo-hoo' poster?

disclaimer: this is not meant as a flame. its just to prove a point

Originally posted by KidRock
Damn, the liberals are really scraping the bottom of the barrell now. "Quickly..bush said a bad word, TO THE FORUMS LIBERALS!"
Originally posted by FeceMan

I'm afraid KidRock also makes a valid point, though. [Apocalypse Now...or maybe Postponed.]

so, you supported a gross generalisation and bashing toward everyone on the left. im not trying to 'pwn' you, im just pointing out that you're gripe in this thread makes little sense.

yes, people are assholes and take the bashing too far, but should we all pussify ourselves and not have any heated debated over heated issues? politics effect our lives, people get pissed, and they shout in eachother's faces. i agree, it goes too far sometimes. and i agree, we all commit hypocrisy. its just human nature, unfortunately. but im not sure what kind of forum you wish this to be, or the quality of members you wish to debate with.

this is a forum dedicated to movies. people come here to debate whether wolverine could beat superman at thumb wrestling. people come here and spend all their time prattling on about how dreamy depp is in PotC. what do you expect of this place?

In saying that KidRock has a valid point, I meant that it was...a tad...overreactive to make a big deal out of this. Maybe I should have said that Evil Dead made a good point.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
How about 'The Guy Who Can't Deal With Shit So Leaves, Then Comes Back - Woo-hoo' poster?

They're the best kind, especially when they don't say 'woo-hoo' or make a topic that says "HEY KMC I'M BACK".

What about the Lost Poster?

Someone who has read the thread, but has misunderstood the direction of the thread.

I know I've been this a few times, but I am not alone.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What about the Lost Poster?

Someone who has read the thread, but has misunderstood the direction of the thread.

I know I've been this a few times, but I am not alone.


Can you give an example? I am uncertain as to what you mean (or if you're aiming it at me).

I'd like to expound on what PVS wrote:

I agree with what you are saying about people getting into yelling-matches. It happens. However, in writing things that are deliberately provocative, it happens far more often than it normally would. Granted, some posters can be aggravating, and exasperation with them is an inevitable.

The main problem that I see is that people take the liberty of "I can say whatever the hell I want" far enough that it causes the breakdown of threads. There's a difference between censoring oneself to a degree and complete censorship--one doesn't HAVE to state one's opinion in such a provocative manner, one doesn't HAVE to bash a certain set of beliefs in order to make a point, etc.

For instance...

"Those religious nutjobs protesting the Da Vinci Code are stupid."

vs.

"The people protesting the Da Vinci Code seem incapable of getting it through their thick skulls that it's just FICTION."

vs.

"The people protesting the Da Vinci Code don't seem to understand that it's just fiction and isn't an attack on their religion/beliefs."

vs.

"The people protesting the Da Vinci Code don't seem to understand that it's just fiction and isn't an attack on their religion/beliefs. I wonder why that is?"

[The answer to the question being that some people DO think that the Da Vinci Code is an accurate historical portrayal.]

Originally posted by FeceMan
They're the best kind, especially when they don't say 'woo-hoo' or make a topic that says "HEY KMC I'M BACK".

Oh, yeah. You're right. Good stuff!

Originally posted by FeceMan
Can you give an example? I am uncertain as to what you mean (or if you're aiming it at me)...

I was talking more about me then you. 😆

Re: An Updated Evaluation of the GDF

Originally posted by FeceMan
[I give my regards to KharmaDog, as it is his thread that made me consider making this.]

KMC, you beat me.

Really, you did. Which is why I've been such an on-again/off-again poster.

You see, I'd post and post and post for some time, and then other people would post and post and post. And it was all the same stuff. But, it grew tiring. I literally felt completely drained of energy after a "session" of KMC's GDF. In order to rebuild my reserves, I'd take a long break, gather up the energy to come back to the GDF, and the process would repeat itself.

Well, I'm back, for now. [What great news.]

And, in my time off, I did some thinking. Why, exactly, was I feeling so enervated by the GDF? Was it because I was in the minority of my views? Nah, I didn't think so. Was it just the typing away at the keyboard for extended periods of time? Probably not. Was it the people at KMC?

Now this had merit to it. But, it wasn't the people in particular. I've encountered enough conservatives and liberals alike to know that it wasn't the people themselves that were sucking the will from me. And it wasn't purposeful.

I tried recalling certain posts to which I responded that lead to this energy-deficient state, and I realized what the problem was:

How people posted.

And now I know what rots KMC from the inside-out. Kharma originally posted this thread asking for our opinions on the GDF. Rather, I'm going to ask you for your opinions on my opinions of what's wrong with the posting habits of the GDF.

There are several archetypal posters who, in my opinion, diminish the value of KMC as a whole. Rather than being a place of enlightened discussion and debate, they aid in reducing the GDF to the typical flame-war scenario observable on most any forum.

Allow me to preface this with the following:

I am under the impression that so many of us have grown bloated on the freedom of speech that we need to go through a time of fasting to truly appreciate it. We have become so accustomed to the right to say whatever we want, whenever we want, that we have abused and mistreated this wonderful freedom. In all honesty, I think it would be good for many to experience a complete loss of the freedom of speech in order to help them to truly appreciate it.

We ought to be thankful for such a thing that many men fought and died for in numerous wars throughout history. Instead, we take it for granted and boldly declare our right to speak our minds.

That attitude disturbs me greatly.

So, without further ado, allow me to introduce the poster-children posters who harm KMC.

__________________________________________________

[b]1. The *******.

This poster is a jerk. He or she might engage you in sensible debate, but the entire response is so riddled with insults (either outright or thinly-veiled) and condescension that it immediately provokes a negative knee-jerk response.

This, of course, leads to insults flying back and forth from both parties, and, if the ******* responds to multiple people, the shit REALLY starts to fly as the thread gets completely out of hand. May or may not boast of his or her prowess in debate in retrospect.

2. The asshat.

Similar to the *******, the asshat revels in provoking negative responses from other posters. His most recognized "accomplishments" is invading a thread, posting inflammatory things, and then disappearing as his agitation of certain posters leads them to fly off the handle, causing total thread derailment.

3. The Wielder of the Inflamed Wit.

The Wielder holds within himself an unusual sharpness of tongue. Unfortunately, he also holds within himself an ornery, cantankerous spirit. The combination of these two features will more often than not provoke the use of said sharpness of tongue for any slight of his or her character, ideology, etc.--both real and imagined.

Whether or not it's a loquacious post in which the Wielder makes an attempt to portray himself as some sort of Socrates incarnate (woefully inept at being anything save for an obvious counterfeit) or a simple insult, this poster ends up in the midst of ping-pong debates that are more interested in the posters themselves than the topic at hand

4. The derailer.

This poster does not start flame wars or directly harm a thread, but he or she has a tendency to engage in side conversations with other posters. The thread goes off-topic and is eventually buried and/or closed.

5. The know-nothing-at-all.

This poster dives into a debate without knowing anything. At all. [Hence the name.] He or she will support his or her opinion with things that are factually inaccurate--and have been for some time.

As a result, other posters start showing the know-nothing-at-all how he or she is incorrect, the know-nothing-at-all fortifies his or her position either by posting articles that support his or her factually inaccurate position or attacking the veracity of the articles disproving his or her beliefs (though the know-nothing-at-all poster will often employ both strategies in a single thread, but at different times).

6. 😆 😂 🙄

This poster overuses the above three smilie faces in order to show his or her dismissal of another's opinion. This poster also will not hesitate to mock other posters through satire or sarcasm, with results that even an inebriated weatherman could predict accurately.

7. The hypocrite.

[The hypocrite is the most contributing source to my enervation, I feel.]

This poster isn't a hypocrite in the sense that he or she says, "I support a particular view" and then does something contradictory. Rather, the hypocrite is one who rains down sulfur, brimstone, and flame-posts from the heavens when an individual exhibits a characteristic (often times ignorance, broad generalizations, etc.) on a view that conflicts with the hypocrite's own. However, when a supporter of the hypocrite's view exhibits the same characteristic, the hypocrite agrees, demonstrates approval, or remains silent.
__________________________________________________

Well? Am I correct, or am I incorrect? For anyone considering it, save your "this poster makes threads about how crappy other posters on the GDF are" posts; I've already written them in my head.

As an addendum, the fundamental problem I see with forums on the Internet as a whole are statements such as the following:

"Anyone who thinks [X] is an idiot."
"I suppose I'd believe [Y] if I were missing half my brain."
"[Z] is retarded."

Where [X], [Y], and [Z] are various thoughts on any topics.

[Please note that I am fully aware that this isn't an evaluation of the GDF per se. I had originally begun to write it as such, but I ended up changing it. The title didn't, though.] [/B]

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dude..what a dumb topic. don't you realise you look like all those things on the list after posting that...

Re: Re: An Updated Evaluation of the GDF

I'm not sure if I should be proud that a thread of mine inspired this thread or not. Also, I am aware that that a few members look at me as a shining example of more than one of Fece's identifications.

I am however glad to see someone questioning the behaviour of those of us on KMC, keeping us honest[i] as you will.

[i]Originally posted by Dragonfist1982
.dude..what a dumb topic. don't you realise you look like all those things on the list after posting that...

Anyone see the irony here?

Re: Re: Re: An Updated Evaluation of the GDF

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I'm not sure if I should be proud that a thread of mine inspired this thread or not. Also, I am aware that that a few members look at me as a shining example of more than one of Fece's identifications.

I am however glad to see someone questioning the behaviour of those of us on KMC, [i]keeping us honest[i] as you will.

Anyone see the irony here?

shut the f*ck up!! i was just postin how he was sounding sarcastic, theres no reason to make fun of people because of their opinions.

Re: Re: Re: Re: An Updated Evaluation of the GDF

Originally posted by Dragonfist1982
shut the f*ck up!!

Calm down there kid. I think you might have a case of "over-reaction fever". A member who starts a post in that manner will not only receive little respect, but will be considered as nothing but a mere ignorant voice not worth listening to.

Originally posted by Dragonfist1982
i was just postin how he was sounding sarcastic,

Actually, he did not sound sarcastic much at all.

Originally posted by Dragonfist1982
theres no reason to make fun of people because of their opinions.

Fece was talking not about people's opinions, but the manner in which they take in sharing them or the ignorance they may subject others to while not so much sharing their opinions as much as just being general pains in the @ss. (of course he's free to correct me if I am wrong here)

Once again, you say:

Originally posted by Dragonfist1982
theres no reason to make fun of people because of their opinions.

as well as saying:

Originally posted by Dragonfist1982
dude..what a dumb topic. don't you realise you look like all those things on the list after posting that...

You have gifted us with ignorance, obscenities, hypocrisy and a complete misunderstanding of the thread. I am sure Feceman is thanking you right now for making his point crystal clear.