Ulic Qel-Droma vs. Darth Malak

Combatants: Ulic Qel-Droma, Jedi turned Sith apprentice versus Darth Malak, the "Jawless Wonder".

Setting: Coruscant, The Republic Senate Chamber of the Old Republic (where Kun/Vodo fought).

Could've been done before, but I skimmed through the searches, so whatever...

Well honestly if you guys do put Ulic>Revan, or in my opinion Revan=Ulic, that simple fact should be enough for Ulic to take this match. Not to mention Malak isn't powered by the SF.

Ulic just has this.

How do you suppose Ulic would fair against Revan?

I'd go for Ulic clearly, however, as most people regard Revan the "#1 of the era" (even though his era includes Exar Kun), I'd say Ulic is the "#2 of the era" only behind Kun. Followed then by Revan.

Yea it seems like Ulic is #2 maybe.. He was also called a lightsaber prodigy and he did stalemate Kun(obviously before Kun developed his new style). To be honest though aside from his defeat of Mandalore, he didn't impress me much. He was indeed powerful but how powerful compared to the likes of Revan? That is debateable.

Originally posted by Motoko Sama
How do you suppose Ulic would fair against Revan?

I'd go for Ulic clearly, however, as most people regard Revan the "#1 of the era" (even though his era includes Exar Kun), I'd say Ulic is the "#2 of the era" only behind Kun. Followed then by Revan.

Well there are many ways of looking at the word 'era'. IMO, Vodo was better than Ulic and very close to Exar Kun. Then you get Thon, Arca and Nomi.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Yea it seems like Ulic is #2 maybe.. He was also called a lightsaber prodigy and he did stalemate Kun(obviously before Kun developed his new style). To be honest though aside from his defeat of Mandalore, he didn't impress me much. He was indeed powerful but how powerful compared to the likes of Revan? That is debateable.

He stalemated both Kun, and Sylvar (one of the most powerful knights) while out of practise and cut off from the force.

Yes I know that, but why would you consider Sylvar one of the most powerful nights? Him stalemating without the force is the only reason I would ever put him above Revan, and that's in terms of saber combat.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Yes I know that, but why would you consider Sylvar one of the most powerful nights? Him stalemating without the force is the only reason I would ever put him above Revan, and that's in terms of saber combat.

Sylvar was very powerful.
The only knight more powerful than her is Nomi imo. I mean there is even one panel where she takes out about 3 Massasi warriors without a lightsaber in seconds. She was also able to kind of challenge Kun in a saber duel when they were both students of Vodo (although Kun was clearly her superior) - she is even able to scratch him with her Cathar claws while in a saber lock. She is shown to be clearly more powerful than jedi like Tott Doneeta and Dace Diath, who were even mentioned to be some of the most exceptional students in the jedi order. She was also able to easily sneak up on Oss Wilum (another of those exceptional students) and knock him out with the hilt of her saber. She also displays great speed, strength and skill while performing a kind of ritual hunt in her homeworld. The only people in TSW and TDLOTS that I would put above her would be Vodo-Siosk Bass, Odan-Urr, Thon, Arca jeth and Ood Bnar (just), and Exar Kun, Ulic Quel-Droma and Nomi Sunrider.

By the way, it's a she.

That's a lot of people lol.

The only knight more powerful than her in that list is Nomi...

Originally posted by GM Nebaris
Well there are many ways of looking at the word 'era'.

Very true.

IMO, Vodo was better than Ulic and very close to Exar Kun. Then you get Thon, Arca and Nomi.

Yes, despite Exar Kun besting Vodo as a padawan. Then toying with and utterly destroying Vodo later on. Please, I've already provided an argument for why Ulic > Vodo.

Sylvar was very powerful.

Originally posted by Motoko Sama
So was Sylvar? Oh, you mean this Sylvar:

Seems a flick of the wrist from Exar Kun is all it takes to take down Sylvar. Very powerful indeed.

And Ulic being able to even defend against Sylvar for that long doesn't speak volumes for Sylvar. At all. Considering she was tapping into the Darkside and had the Force. Just so you know, the Force increases proficiency in saber dueling as well. So that only speaks well for Ulic; it doesn't work both ways.

The only knight more powerful than her is Nomi imo.

And you're basing this off what exactly?

I mean there is even one panel where she takes out about 3 Massasi warriors without a lightsaber in seconds. She was also able to kind of challenge Kun in a saber duel when they were both students of Vodo (although Kun was clearly her superior) - she is even able to scratch him with her Cathar claws while in a saber lock.

Please, she tapped into the Darkside during their fight. As much was made clear, right after if you notice Exar Kun is practically about to bring one of his sledgehammer swings to her head.

She is shown to be clearly more powerful than jedi like Tott Doneeta and Dace Diath, who were even mentioned to be some of the most exceptional students in the jedi order.

Oh, you mean the Tott Donetta who blocked blaster fire from ships?

Yeah, I sure as hell saw Sylvar displaying some "powerful skills".

She was also able to easily sneak up on Oss Wilum (another of those exceptional students) and knock him out with the hilt of her saber. She also displays great speed, strength and skill while performing a kind of ritual hunt in her homeworld. The only people in TSW and TDLOTS that I would put above her would be Vodo-Siosk Bass, Odan-Urr, Thon, Arca jeth and Ood Bnar (just), and Exar Kun, Ulic Quel-Droma and Nomi Sunrider.

She's nothing special. She's just a Jedi Knight that's vengeful for the lose of her mate, Crado. I'd submit Cay Qel-Droma > Sylvar anyday. And Cay isn't too good either.

Ulic as a Jedi Knight > Sylvar, too.

Yea Sama is right Sylvar was nothing, but it speaks volumes for his ability if he can use a lightsaber without the force.

'Seems a flick of the wrist from Exar Kun is all it takes to take down Sylvar. Very powerful indeed.'

Do you seriously understand how idiotic that statement is? Since when does being force pushed by Exar Kun make you weak? It's not like it even injured her. I could say the same about Sidious in his battle with Yoda - 'Seems a flick of the wrist from Yoda is all it takes to take down Sidious. Very powerful indeed.' - see how silly that is?

'Please, she tapped into the Darkside during their fight. As much was made clear, right after if you notice Exar Kun is practically about to bring one of his sledgehammer swings to her head.'

It stills shows that she must have been pretty powerful. To even contend with Exar, I can't see Toot, Dace or Cay doing that. It seems Vodo must have been a great teacher (in terms of training them as warriors).

'Oh, you mean the Tott Donetta who blocked blaster fire from ships?'

That is impressive, but the fact that she was able to defeat three Massasi warriors without a saber in seconds kind of convinced me, and Tott blocking blaster bolts with his hands (while tha is impressive) isn't going to convince me otherwise.

I'm sorry but how does defeating 3 Massassi warriors with a saber make her powerful? She got curbstomped by the 4th. And what do you mean contend with Kun? She didn't contend with Kun, she wanted to fight him. Nothing even remotely suggests that she can contend with Kun. And again, Tott blocking blaster bolts with his hands is a hell of a lot more impressive than anything Sylvar did.

'Yes, despite Exar Kun besting Vodo as a padawan. Then toying with and utterly destroying Vodo later on. Please, I've already provided an argument for why Ulic > Vodo.'

Firstly, he never bested him as a padawan. Vodo had defeated him, but Kun was able to break through his stick a second time (part 2 of their first duel, not their final duel) around with the addition of two sabers and his raw physical strength. This just shows the inferiority of Vodo's staff.
Secondly, there is only a time difference of about a year between their two fights, so while Kun improved very greatly between the two fights, I just wanted to point that out.
Thirdly, I honestly don't see how you consider the fight a slaughter. The fight was pretty even imo, and Kun was only able to defeat him by breaking through his staff, and not by outdueling him which shows that he won due to the inferiority of Vodo's staff (though it does show that Kun possessed great physical strength). IMHO the difference between Kun and Vodo was the same difference between Obi-Wan and Anakin in ROTS.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I'm sorry but how does defeating 3 Massassi warriors with a saber make her powerful? She got curbstomped by the 4th. And what do you mean contend with Kun? She didn't contend with Kun, she wanted to fight him. Nothing even remotely suggests that she can contend with Kun. And again, Tott blocking blaster bolts with his hands is a hell of a lot more impressive than anything Sylvar did.

No, Sylvar did it without her saber. And she never got 'corbstomped' by another.
And you obviously haven't read DLOTS, where she and Kun spar as padawans.

Yes, I have read DLOTS, i'm looking it as we speak. You seem to think that she "contends" with Kun, while I'm telling you she just challenged him, and then was beat. How is that a testament to her power? And yes she does get curbstomped by the 4th, look at your TSW comic very closely.

Originally posted by GM Nebaris
'Yes, despite Exar Kun besting Vodo as a padawan. Then toying with and utterly destroying Vodo later on. Please, I've already provided an argument for why Ulic > Vodo.'

Firstly, he never bested him as a padawan. Vodo had defeated him, but Kun was able to break through his stick a second time (part 2 of their first duel, not their final duel) around with the addition of two sabers and his raw physical strength. This just shows the inferiority of Vodo's staff.
Secondly, there is only a time difference of about a year between their two fights, so while Kun improved very greatly between the two fights, I just wanted to point that out.
Thirdly, I honestly don't see how you consider the fight a slaughter. The fight was pretty even imo, and Kun was only able to defeat him by breaking through his staff, and not by outdueling him which shows that he won due to the inferiority of Vodo's staff (though it does show that Kun possessed great physical strength). IMHO the difference between Kun and Vodo was the same difference between Obi-Wan and Anakin in ROTS.

I never considered Kun's defeat of Vodo a slaughter, but he did indeed end it rather quickly once he ignited his second blade.