Paedophile party allowed to run for election

Originally posted by Robtard
A fourteen year old having sex with a 50 year old wouldn't be sex, It would be one-sided and it would be rape.

Doesn't matter who is sticking it to who, it's still rape and the sodomy part is irrelevant, it would be just as bad if it was oral sex. BTW, a 50 year old man could sodomize (anal sex) a 14 year old girl, but that is besides the point.

I asked would you trust a 14 year old to act like an adult and not accidentally shot you every time?

What is your point? That a fourteen year old can consent to sex with a 50 year old? I disagree. It'd be rape.

Yes sex with consent is not rape, but a young child cannot consciously make that choice in having sex with an adult. Hence pedophilia is rape.

Every 14 year old has the ability to give consent to sex. If you honestly think a 14 year old cannot do it, then you are either homeschooled or lying to yourself.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
When I was 11 years old I wanted to have sex with my teacher. IF she wanted to do so as well, and I gave her my consent, would that have been rape ?

🙄

Yes, she would have been a rapist if she allowed you to live out your childish fantasy. It's the adults job to be the adult.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, she would have been a rapist if she allowed you to live out your childish fantasy. It's the adults job to be the adult.

But she had my consent. Therefore it would not have been rape. ❌

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Every 14 year old has the ability to give consent to sex. If you honestly think a 14 year old cannot do it, then you are either homeschooled or lying to yourself.

Again. we're talking about sex with adults, if two kids want to play and explore that's a different story. But we are not talking about that, we're talking about young child to adult.

If you had a 14 year old daughter, would you allow here to 'consent' to sleeping with a 40 year old man? Even if she begged and said she wanted it? Also, the gun question above?

I was fourteen years old once and I wanted to have sex with my best friends mom, it wouldn't make it right if she allowed me my fantasy. Lol, homeschooled? Think that if you want.

These sickos want to lower the age to benefit them, not give children more rights and you're buying into that sickness.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's the problem, if they only wanted to think about pedophilia (aka Child Rape) that's fine, they can think it all the want as long as they don't act on it. But they are running for office in the hopes that they can win and change laws to make something illegal legal, thats the problem. Come on man, they hope to lower the age of consent to what 12?

Which, incidentally, was often the age a child could be married off in the distant past.

But that is beside the point. They are advocating a change of laws, not pedophilia in general. If they were successful then it would not be pedophilia would it? And technically they have the right to voice such an opinion on the change of laws. After all, laws dealing with age of consent have been debated in the past - age of consent dropped from 18 to 16. For gays it dropped from in the 20's to 18. People at the time cried foul - but it was judged workable.

Of course what these people are advocating can not, and will not, become a reality. Thus let them run. They will be smashed in the election, and it will send a clear message on how the majority feel on the subject.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Which, incidentally, was often the age a child could be married off in the distant past.

But that is beside the point. They are advocating a change of laws, not pedophilia in general. If they were successful then it would not be pedophilia would it? And technically they have the right to voice such an opinion on the change of laws. After all, laws dealing with age of consent have been debated in the past - age of consent dropped from 18 to 16. For gays it dropped from in the 20's to 18. People at the time cried foul - but it was judged workable.

Of course what these people are advocating can not, and will not, become a reality. Thus let them run. They will be smashed in the election, and it will send a clear message on how the majority feel on the subject.

Are you 100% sure of that? If you had a 12 year old child and lived in the Netherlands would you be willing to take that risk?

But I do see your point on "send a clear message" though, just bitter to swallow.

Originally posted by Robtard
Again. we're talking about sex with adults, if two kids want to play and explore that's a different story. But we are not talking about that, we're talking about young child to adult.

So what you're saying is that a 14 year old has the ability to give consent to another 14 year old, but somehow cannot give consent to someone over that age?

😆 What ??????

Originally posted by Robtard
If you had a 14 year old daughter, would you allow here to 'consent' to sleeping with a 40 year old man? Even if she begged and said she wanted it? Also, the gun question above?

1) The Gun Question....I would expect that most 14 year olds would drop the gun and not shoot me. Since when does age determine that? A 20 year old could just as easily shoot me as a 14 year old could...

2) I don't plan to have kids. If I had a daugher who was 14, would I want her to have sex with a 40 year old man ? It would gross me out that a man my own age is screwing my daughter....however, I wouldn't scream rape.

I would be just as upset that my daughter was having sex at age 14 with someone age 20 just as much as if she were to do it with someone who is 40 years old.

The Fact that she's even having sex at that age would make me question my power as a parent. It's not the principle of the thing that means ne thing to me...it's the fact that she may catch STD's or get pregnant to early that would worry me.

Originally posted by Robtard
I was fourteen years old once and I wanted to have sex with my best friends mom, it wouldn't make it right if she allowed me my fantasy. Lol, homeschooled? Think that if you want.

You are basically telling me that at age 11 I did not have the ability to give consent, even though I clearly did. You don't know WTF you're talking about.

Originally posted by Robtard
These sickos want to lower the age to benefit them, not give children more rights and you're buying into that sickness.

I'm fine with lowering the age of consent to 14, as long as there IS Consent. I'm also fine with allowing teenagers age 15-16 to do pornography.

I just don't like the idea of 10 year olds doing porn or having sex with adults....I feel for the sake of sexual maturity, children who are too young should not be exposed to something they are not ready for. 😉

Originally posted by Robtard
Are you 100% sure of that? If you had a 12 year old child and lived in the Netherlands would you be willing to take that risk?

But I do see your point on "send a clear message" though, just bitter to swallow.

I can be cynical, a realist and a pragmatist. But I do have some small faith in the common sense of people. Yes, I 100% believe they will be defeated. Knowing the Netherlands there is no way this party is going to get anywhere near power. And as someone else posted initial reactions are fully in line with my predictions.

And ultimately it is the chance. I prefer a national expression of disagreement then the idea of censoring them and opening all sort of cans of worms, or driving them underground like banned political parties of old.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So what you're saying is that a 14 year old has the ability to give consent to another 14 year old, but somehow cannot give consent to someone over that age?

😆 What ??????
1) The Gun Question....I would expect that most 14 year olds would drop the gun and not shoot me. Since when does age determine that? A 20 year old could just as easily shoot me as a 14 year old could...

2) I don't plan to have kids. If I had a daugher who was 14, would I want her to have sex with a 40 year old man ? It would gross me out that a man my own age is screwing my daughter....however, I wouldn't scream rape.

I would be just as upset that my daughter was having sex at age 14 with someone age 20 just as much as if she were to do it with someone who is 40 years old.

The Fact that she's even having sex at that age would make me question my power as a parent. It's not the principle of the thing that means ne thing to me...it's the fact that she may catch STD's or get pregnant to early that would worry me.

You are basically telling me that at age 11 I did not have the ability to give consent, even though I clearly did. You don't know WTF you're talking about.

I'm fine with lowering the age of consent to 14, as long as there [b]IS Consent. I'm also fine with allowing teenagers age 15-16 to do pornography.

I just don't like the idea of 10 year olds doing porn or having sex with adults....I feel for the sake of sexual maturity, children who are too young should not be exposed to something they are not ready for. 😉 [/B]

Yes, a child exploring with another child is normal and part of growing up. It wouldn't be exploring with a 14 to a 40 year old. A child hasn't physcially or mentally matured enough to experience sex with a 40 year old.

Come on now, we both know that you would not risk your life on trusting a child with a gun when you're own life is on the line. The point being that a 14 year old is not an adult and not able to rationalize like an adult would. That's why we have age limits and parents are responsible for their children's actions.

If you wouldn't be against your 14 year old child having sex with a 40 year old it's a good thing you're not having kids. That's just sick...

I don't think you did, children often want a lot of things, as adults we certainly do not give them everything they want.

Dude, lowering the age to 14 or lower will only benefit pedophiles, it wouldn't be for giving children more rights and a 15-16 year old doing porn? WTF! Let me guess, you're OK with child labor in third world countries since the kids could consent to working 15 hour days in horrible work conditions.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, a child exploring with another child is normal and part of growing up. It wouldn't be exploring with a 14 to a 40 year old. A child hasn't physcially or mentally matured enough to experience sex with a 40 year old.

It's not RAPE if thier is consent. 14 year olds have the ability to give consent. That's the point. If they have the ability to give consent to another 14 year old, then they have the ability to give consent to anyone....stop dancing around that point please.

Originally posted by Robtard
Come on now, we both know that you would not risk your life on trusting a child with a gun when you're own life is on the line. The point being that a 14 year old is not an adult and not able to rationalize like an adult would. That's why we have age limits and parents are responsible for their children's actions.

If would tell the 14 year old to drop the gun. If he or she were rational, they would do so. It would be just as dangerous to put an insane 50 year old in the room with a gun, as it would be to put an instable 14 year old.

It doesn't matter who shoots me...if get shot, i get shot, If i dont, i don't. I wouldnt trust ANYBODY with a gun.....

Originally posted by Robtard
If you wouldn't be against your 14 year old child having sex with a 40 year old it's a good thing you're not having kids. That's just sick...

I would be against my daughter having sex with ANYONE at that age.....simply because she is putting herself at physical risk.

Would I think it disgusting if she had sex with a 40 year old ? Hellz yeah, but if she gave permission, then IT WAS NOT RAPE.

What part don't u get ?

Originally posted by Robtard
I don't think you did, children often want a lot of things, as adults we certainly do not give them everything they want.

You keep dancing around the point....I TOTALLY had the ability to give Consent, as do most 14 year olds....it doesn't matter what you think.

If you want to have sex, and you say "i want to have sex with you" then you are giving Consent. End of story, stop with the endless semantics alright, they aren't countering anything.

Originally posted by Robtard
Dude, lowering the age to 14 or lower will only benefit pedophiles, it wouldn't be for giving children more rights and a 15-16 year old doing porn? WTF! Let me guess, you're OK with child labor in third world countries since the kids could consent to working 15 hour days in horrible work conditions.

I'm not okay with child labor in third world countries, because the children are experiencing suffering and pain, not pleasure.

I'm fine with 15 and 16 year olds doing porn, because:

1) 15 and 16 year olds have sex anyway....

2) They would be experiencing pleasure not pain

3) They'd be making money $$$$$

4) They'd be having fun....

As long as thier practicing safe sex, and use birth control, i don't see a problem. 🙂

I think the consent issue is more complicated than "She gave consent so it's ok.", if it's a 14 year old and a 40 year old, but the fact that she gave consent must never be overlooked.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I think the consent issue is more complicated than "She gave consent so it's ok.", if it's a 14 year old and a 40 year old, but the fact that she gave consent must never be overlooked.

-AC

Whether or not it's "okay" is subjective and means nothing. It's just as valid as saying "It's disgusting". What me and Robtarded have in common is that we both find it gross.

What separates us is that I still recognize the consent, while he renders it non-existant.

For him to so do makes him no better than a 40 year old man taking advantage of a naive and horny 14 year old girl. ❌

Consent should always be recognised, especially from a teenager.

-AC

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
It's not [b]RAPE if thier is consent. 14 year olds have the ability to give consent. That's the point. If they have the ability to give consent to another 14 year old, then they have the ability to give consent to anyone....stop dancing around that point please.

If would tell the 14 year old to drop the gun. If he or she were rational, they would do so. It would be just as dangerous to put an insane 50 year old in the room with a gun, as it would be to put an instable 14 year old.

It doesn't matter who shoots me...if get shot, i get shot, If i dont, i don't. I wouldnt trust ANYBODY with a gun.....

I would be against my daughter having sex with ANYONE at that age.....simply because she is putting herself at physical risk.

Would I think it disgusting if she had sex with a 40 year old ? Hellz yeah, but if she gave permission, then IT WAS NOT RAPE.

What part don't u get ?

You keep dancing around the point....I TOTALLY had the ability to give Consent, as do most 14 year olds....it doesn't matter what you think.

If you want to have sex, and you say "i want to have sex with you" then you are giving Consent. End of story, stop with the endless semantics alright, they aren't countering anything.

I'm not okay with child labor in third world countries, because the children are experiencing suffering and pain, not pleasure.

I'm fine with 15 and 16 year olds doing porn, because:

1) 15 and 16 year olds have sex anyway....

2) They would be experiencing pleasure not pain

3) They'd be making money $$$$$

4) They'd be having fun....

As long as thier practicing safe sex, and use birth control, i don't see a problem. 🙂 [/B]

So it's consent to you... Society has age limits for a reason, responsible adults realize that children develop in stages and 'we' are not born prepared with everything we need to know from the get go. I don't care what you say or how you try to justify it this sickness, a 14 year old is not mentally mature enough to make a willful choice to have sex with an adult let alone an older adult. The child would be taken advantage of from the adult; therefore it would be rape and the child would/could likely experience pain both mental and physical from the experience. Luckily,society realizes this and pedophilia is against the law because it is child rape.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
For him to so do makes him no better than a 40 year old man taking advantage of a naive and horny 14 year old girl. ❌ [/B]

OK big guy, you're the one that would be alright, albiet disgusted with your 14 year old child having sex with a 40 year old and you say I'm "no better than a 40 year old man taking advantage of a naive and horny 14 year old girl." Sure...

Originally posted by Robtard
So it's consent to you... Society has age limits for a reason, responsible adults realize that children develop in stages and 'we' are not born prepared with everything we need to know from the get go. I don't care what you say or how you try to justify it this sickness, a 14 year old is not mentally mature enough to make a willful choice to have sex with an adult let alone an older adult. The child would be taken advantage of from the adult; therefore it would be rape and the child would/could likely experience pain both mental and physical from the experience. Luckily,society realizes this and pedophilia is against the law because it is child rape.

Oh give it a rest. You do realise that 14 is merely TWO years off what is considered to be the age of consent, right? Where did this idea that all 14 year olds are retards who, in the following two years, somehow gain all the necessary credentials to go and f*ck someone?

That's like saying at 18 you don't know what you're getting into by drinking.

-AC

Originally posted by Robtard
So it's consent to you... Society has age limits for a reason, responsible adults realize that children develop in stages and 'we' are not born prepared with everything we need to know from the get go.

1)Consent is consent regardless of whether or not you decide to recognize it. You would give an adult who had consentual sex with a 14 year old the SAME punishment and regard as a 20 year old who raped a 9 year old ? 🤨

2) Who says adults are ready to have sex either? Some 20 year olds are still virgins, because they don't feel ready to have sex yet.

Who are you to decide that a 14 year old is not ready to have sex , much less lack the ability to give consent?

3) Again, as for being a MAJOR HYPOCRIT....you say a 14 year old has the ability to give consent to another 14 year old, but not an adult? HOW SO ? How do you know a malicious 14 year old isn't "taking advantage" of another 14 year old ?

You never explained that, you just keep dancing around it with bullshit.

Originally posted by Robtard
I don't care what you say or how you try to justify it this sickness, a 14 year old is not mentally mature enough to make a willful choice to have sex with an adult let alone an older adult.

But a 14 year old IS mentally mature enough to have sex with another 14 year old ? 🤨 ???

Originally posted by Robtard
The child would be taken advantage of from the adult; therefore it would be rape and the child would/could likely experience pain both mental and physical from the experience.

Rape and being taken advantage of are two different things. An adult can "take advantage" of another adult in a consenting relationship. The same applie for two people any age.

I know a 14 year old who experience nothing but pleasure from having sex with a 30 year old, no pain was there. When I was 15 I had sex with a 24 year old....It was fun as hell, there was no pain there....

Stop speaking for other people, don't talk about sh*t you know nothing about, okay ?

Originally posted by Robtard
Luckily,society realizes this and pedophilia is against the law because it is child rape.

True Peadophilia is having sex with a real child, not a teenager. A 14 year old is not a child, it's a teenager (four-teen) 😉

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
1)[b]Consent is consent regardless of whether or not you decide to recognize it. You would give an adult who had consentual sex with a 14 year old the SAME punishment and regard as a 20 year old who raped a 9 year old ? 🤨

2) Who says adults are ready to have sex either? Some 20 year olds are still virgins, because they don't feel ready to have sex yet.

Who are you to decide that a 14 year old is not ready to have sex , much less lack the ability to give consent?

3) Again, as for being a MAJOR HYPOCRIT....you say a 14 year old has the ability to give consent to another 14 year old, but not an adult? HOW SO ? How do you know a malicious 14 year old isn't "taking advantage" of another 14 year old ?

You never explained that, you just keep dancing around it with bullshit.

But a 14 year old IS mentally mature enough to have sex with another 14 year old ? 🤨 ???

Rape and being taken advantage of are two different things. An adult can "take advantage" of another adult in a consenting relationship. The same applie for two people any age.

I know a 14 year old who experience nothing but pleasure from having sex with a 30 year old, no pain was there. When I was 15 I had sex with a 24 year old....It was fun as hell, there was no pain there....

Stop speaking for other people, don't talk about sh*t you know nothing about, okay ?

True Peadophilia is having sex with a real child, not a teenager. A 14 year old is not a child, it's a teenager (four-teen) 😉 [/B]

Simple, children exploring each other is part of growing up, it's a stage in maturity. They are both at about the same sexual mental and physical maturity. A 40 year old having sex with a 14 year old wouldn't be the same, it would be preying on the child.

What's the point about a 20 year old willfully being a virgin? Irrelevant here. As an adult, he/she is mentally mature enough to abstain from sex or be the center of a gangbang.

Don't use your own personal experience as justification. I'm not speaking for other adults, I'm speaking for children. On the other hand, you as an adult who has no plans on having children is speaking on behalf of other peoples children... and you call me a hypocrite?

So a fourteen year old is completely and utterly mature, should we allow him/her to own a gun, drink, drive, smoke and vote?

Also, if you had any deceny, you would report that 30 year old for raping that 14 year old; unless of course, this is you you're talking about? Is his/her parents ok with this?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
True Peadophilia is having sex with a real child, not a teenager. A 14 year old is not a child, it's a teenager (four-[b]teen) 😉 [/B]

False.

You're a legal child until you are 18.

-AC

Originally posted by Robtard
Simple, children exploring each other is part of growing up, it's a stage in maturity and growing up. They are both at about the same sexual mental and physical maturity. A 40 year old having sex with a 14 year old wouldn't be the same, it would be preying on the child.

I agree that a 40 year old having sex with a 14 year old is taking advantage, simply because Age difference gives the 40 year old better ability to sway a 14 year old into doing things that favor him or herself.

However, it's not Rape when Consent is involved. You still have not prove otherwise.

Originally posted by Robtard
What's the point about a 20 year old willfully being a virgin? Irrelevant here. As an adult, he/she is mentally mature enough to abstain from sex or be the center of a gangbang.

The point is some people are not ready for sex regardless of thier age. Some people ARE regardless of thier age.

Originally posted by Robtard
Don't use your own personal experience as justification. I'm not speaking for other adults, I'm speaking for children. On the other hand, you as an adult who has no plans on having children is speaking on behalf of other peoples children... and you call me a hypocrite?

I WAS speaking for children...When I was 15 I had sex with a 24 year old, and I felt no pain...it was just fun. You claim that its always pain, when you have no fkn idea what you're talkn about.

How is it hypocritical to talk about my freind's experience when she was 14?

Originally posted by Robtard
So a fourteen year old is completely and utterly mature, should we allow him/her to own a gun, drink, drive, smoke and vote?

No, but we should allow him or her to have sex. 😉