Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Scarlet Witch can warp her own reality, plus as far as we were shown and told on panel the scale was just global.Franklin Richards can create his own POCKET universes. I.e theyre temporary dimensions which in no way compare in scale and complexity to an actual universe.
The Phoenix Force is the spark that spawns universes and its avatars have been shown manipulating entire realities in the palm of their hand as if they were nothing.
That beats SW or Franklin Richards hands down! 😉
On the contrary, a "pocket universe is a cosmos which does not equal our own in size." By no means does this make it temporary. Nonetheless, just the notion of a small child subconsciously creating his own universe populated with living creatures, including Galactus and The Silver Surfer is unimaginable. Furthermore, we still have not seen the full extent of Franklin Richard's psionic abilities. He's a baby and is only getting started. Just to put things into perspective, the omnipotent Celestials themselves (Phoenix who?) consider Franklin to be on par with them and Mephisto (The Devil himself) actually fears the boy with good reason, as Richards dispersed Mephisto's essence on two occassions!
Remember, the Phoenix Force (despite being immeasurably powerful) is an alien entity (not a mutant).
😛
Originally posted by ArmsHeldOut
On the contrary, a "pocket universe is a cosmos which does not equal our own in size." By no means does this make it temporary. Nonetheless, just the notion of a small child subconsciously creating his own universe populated with living creatures, including Galactus and The Silver Surfer is unimaginable. Furthermore, we still have not seen the full extent of Franklin Richard's psionic abilities. He's a baby and is only getting started. Just to put things into perspective, the omnipotent Celestials themselves (Phoenix who?) consider Franklin to be on par with them and Mephisto (The Devil himself) actually fears the boy with good reason, as Richards dispersed Mephisto's essence on two occassions!Remember, the Phoenix Force (despite being immeasurably powerful) is an alien entity (not a mutant).
😛
Theyre temporary in that they last as long as their creator wills them to. They are not standard universes and dont go through the same life cycle.
Yes the Celestials consider that a full potential Franklin Richards will equate to them, but the Phoenix Force is leagues beyond the Celestials so im puzzled by your Phoenix who comment. 😉
The Phoenix Force is the power behind the Big Bang, you know the thing that actually makes a universe.
Abstracts like Eternity are reflections of the universe, they came into existence AFTER the universe was born embodying its concepts. The Phoenix is the life force that makes reality possible and in its totality is beyond any universal force, be it Eternity or the Celestials. Franklin Richards who? 😕
As for your comment pertaining to the Phoenix Force not being a mutant, well you're right in a fashion, however as per current continuity its avatars are mutants. It is stated that to be a Phoenix avatar is the endpoint of evolution, "the ultimate mutation" (New X-men) So being an avatar is a form of mutation so having Phoenix potential counts as a power im afraid.
Just to list some of the feats a Phoenix avatar has done:
Contained the multiversal power of the M'kraan crystal
Casually snipped away the universes future putting it on its death bed
Controlling the 616 universes atomic structure from within the palm of their hand
See that little glowing ball in Jeans hand? Thats the universe 🙂
To be a Phoenix is a mutation. The "ultimate mutation".
Phoenixes possess amongst other talents "telekinetic godhood" the power to manipulate virtually unlimited matter and energy at a sub atomic level. With that power you could create any energy, any matter, possess any power you wished. Jean is shown demonstrating control of the entire universes atomic structure. Its like putty in the palm of her hand. That is the ultimate mutant power. She isnt simply warping reality like Wanda or Franklin into something more desirable. The very substance of reality is hers to manipulate and determine, she is one with the Force whose power spawned reality.
old school
You all seem to be forgetting why jean grey was so damn good she had to be why because of a mutant who had the best and worst power his name was
APOCALYPSE!!!!!!!!
Apocalypse possesses several superhuman powers rather than a singular mutant ability, unlike other mutants. He further augmented himself by Celestial technology, though it is unclear if these enhancements granted him any additional powers beyond what he already possessed. His powers appear to change according to the story's need and/or the creative team's desires; Apocalypse was initially portrayed as a shape-shifter with the ability to teleport himself and others over unknown distances, but his powers have been greatly expanded since then, and he has displayed immense strength, near invulnerability, rapid regeneration, energy absorbtion and projection, as well as some telepathic and telekinetic capabilities.
Apocalypse has complete control over the atomic structure of his body — can alter his form as it suits him; allow his body to become extremely malleable, change his density and even increase his size and strength by taking on additional mass from an extra-dimensional source. Apocalypse can stretch, or contort his limbs and body into a multitude of shapes and sizes, with elasticity and flexibility far beyond the natural human limits. He can open holes through his body to avoid attacks. He is able to form various weapons (e.g. blades, hammers, guns, or shields) with parts of his body, including wings or jets to enable flight. He is also able to adapt his body to apparently any disease or environment. On one occasion, he has shown the ability to phase his hand through another object/person. Through his shape-shifting ability, Apocalypse can give himself virtually any physical superhuman power and transform himself into a vast variety of disguises.
Thanks to his mutant power of immortality, Apocalypse is immune to aging. He does not need sustenance of any kind, and his body produces practically no fatigue toxins during physical activity, enabling him to exert himself at peak capacity indefinitely. Apparently Apocalypse belongs to a sub-species of immortal mutants known as the Externals. He has been referred to as an External on several occasions, however, his longevity is believed by Selene as mostly due to technological means. Although, Apocalypse was already many centuries old before his first encounter with the technology with which he would later integrate himself. To note, Selene herself needs to maintain her supply of life force that she drains from living victims.