Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I just dont' think if Wonder Woman was preparing to kill Clark, and he was trying to kill her, that the battle would be over quick. I could see her dying first, and him dying some minutes later from being gutted by her magical sword.
No, I'm just saying that in that particular situation where she was holding back a touch, that if he was in his right mind while going all out the fight would've been over quickly. However, if they were both going all out without being mind controlled, I think that Wonder Woman would fall.
Originally posted by Sea King
i dont want to interupt everyones arguments but whoever says Black Adam wins say I.[B]I
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And if you say I, please in full detail, explain why he would be able to beat her. I want skills, stats, feats, the full list. SO that we may be able to counter your points with thus far stated feats of hers. 🙂
I think it would be split right down the middle to be honest. The only reason why I've said Captain Marvel and Black Adam are Superman's "equals," is because they exploit his magic vulnerability. But, if he were to take magic with the same level of invulnerability that he does with everything else, then he'd beat them pretty good. Wonder Woman 5/10; Black Adam 5/10. 🙂
Originally posted by batdude123I agree.
No, I'm just saying that in that particular situation where she was holding back a touch, that if he was in his right mind while going all out the fight would've been over quickly. However, if they were both going all out without being mind controlled, I think that Wonder Woman would fall.
I don't think it's been said in post crisis contuinty, at least not that I can ever recall[and I've read most all of them], but in All Star Superman, which is at least based off of the same Superman idea, and with Pre-Crisis comics, mind-affected[anything that would alter his normal thinking.] Superman was actually stated to be nowhere near the real deal in both power or application.
Originally posted by Juntai
I agree.
If the roles were reversed, and Superman absolutely had to put a mind controlled Wonder Woman down, who just hurt several leaguers, and nearly killed Batman, etc.... Supes would have put her on her ass the moment he realised talking wasn't going to help.I don't think it's been said in post crisis contuinty, at least not that I can ever recall[and I've read most all of them], but in All Star Superman, which is at least based off of the same Superman idea, and with Pre-Crisis comics, mind-affected[anything that would alter his normal thinking.] Superman was actually stated to be nowhere near the real deal in both power or application.
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Originally posted by Juntai
I agree.
If the roles were reversed, and Superman absolutely had to put a mind controlled Wonder Woman down, who just hurt several leaguers, and nearly killed Batman, etc.... Supes would have put her on her ass the moment he realised talking wasn't going to help.I don't think it's been said in post crisis contuinty, at least not that I can ever recall[and I've read most all of them], but in All Star Superman, which is at least based off of the same Superman idea, and with Pre-Crisis comics, mind-affected[anything that would alter his normal thinking.] Superman was actually stated to be nowhere near the real deal in both power or application.
Ok here's the deal, the reason Maxwell Lord Controlled Superman, and made him attack Diana, is becuz he knew that only those two could kill each other. He wanted one of them to die becuz he considered them both equal threats. He even said either he is going to kill you, or your going to kill him. And soon after she broke his kneck.
A mind controlled Wonder Woman would not have all her training and skills and proper use of her weapons. A mind controlled Superman was acting without restrain. Superman is almost always under restrain. He was cutting loose on Diana. That smack from orbit to the earth was proof of that.
ok then here
First Black Adam gets his strength from a god(not demi god like Captin Marvel)
as does he his speed,dimsonial travel,lighting control,his inteagence,stamina,and he even gets courage of a god.
so he gets all of his powers from gods and from my understanding so does wonder woman so that right their could be enough for a tie.
now what is to stop ba from summoning a bunch lighting from afar and have it all just keep striking her. now even if she is resistent to his bolts he can use those as distractions so he could simply keep attcking her off gaurd.
till he use'es his full strength to hit her afew times
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlNot like Superman was using any of his knowledge or combat techniques either. He might have been using the strength and speed, but that's about it, and Supes is so much more than that.
Ok here's the deal, the reason Maxwell Lord Controlled Superman, and made him attack Diana, is becuz he knew that only those two could kill each other. He wanted one of them to die becuz he considered them both equal threats. He even said either he is going to kill you, or your going to kill him. And soon after she broke his kneck.A mind controlled Wonder Woman would not have all her training and skills and proper use of her weapons. A mind controlled Superman was acting without restrain. Superman is almost always under restrain. He was cutting loose on Diana. That smack from orbit to the earth was proof of that.
He made Supes attack Diana simply because she's the one that followed. He didn't single her out at any moment.
WW is ON PAR with Superman, but in full swing, she's not Superman's equal.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ok here's the deal, the reason Maxwell Lord Controlled Superman, and made him attack Diana, is becuz he knew that only those two could kill each other. He wanted one of them to die becuz he considered them both equal threats. He even said either he is going to kill you, or your going to kill him. And soon after she broke his kneck.A mind controlled Wonder Woman would not have all her training and skills and proper use of her weapons. A mind controlled Superman was acting without restrain. Superman is almost always under restrain. He was cutting loose on Diana. That smack from orbit to the earth was proof of that.
Maybe he wasn't holding back in strength, but the fact of the matter is that he wasn't in his right mind when he fought her. You can't tell me that if Superman cut loose while being able to think and react CLEARLY, he would've done just as good (or just as bad depending on how you look at it). If Superman had actually the mind set of a super genius at the time (which we most certainly know he is), then he would've been able to take her down all that much faster. It's a known fact that a mind-controlled person doesn't perform as well as him/her being in his/her right mind. So therefore, Superman wasn't performing top notch, and I really don't understand why that fight is even used as a basis of comparison. 😬
Originally posted by batdude123
Maybe he wasn't holding back in strength, but the fact of the matter is that he wasn't in his right mind when he fought her. You can't tell me that if Superman cut loose while being able to think and react CLEARLY, he would've done just as good (or just as bad depending on how you look at it). If Superman had actually the mind set of a super genius at the time (which we most certainly know he is), then he would've been able to take her down all that much faster. It's a known fact that a mind-controlled person doesn't perform as well as him/her being in his/her right mind. So therefore, Superman wasn't performing top notch, and I really don't understand why that fight is even used as a basis of comparison. 😬
Supergenious vs. Wisdom of Athena. HMM. I"d say he doen't have any advantages over her in intelligence. I'd also say that if Superman where trying to kill Diana of his own accord, and she knew this, She would certainly have no problem returning the favor. We have never seen Diana and Superman Fight fully unleashed. We know that they can both be viscious. We know he's more durable and a bit faster. We know she is a better fighter, with magic weapons and an unbreakable shield. They would clearly kill each other.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Supergenious vs. Wisdom of Athena. HMM. I"d say he doen't have any advantages over her in intelligence. I'd also say that if Superman where trying to kill Diana of his own accord, and she knew this, She would certainly have no problem returning the favor. We have never seen Diana and Superman Fight fully unleashed. We know that they can both be viscious. We know he's more durable and a bit faster. We know she is a better fighter, with magic weapons and an unbreakable shield. They would clearly kill each other.
did you ignore like all of my posts hes not a super genious he also gets his wisdome from a god 😐
When WW and Superman fight, it's usually Superman being mindcontrolled or they're holding back for opposite goals.
Disregarding the horrible Azarello issue:
Wonder Woman: Kal-El! I won't let you commit suicide with the Orb! I have this magical knife and I'll kill you with it if you try to commit suicide!
Superman: ........Dumbass writer.
Originally posted by Sea King
did you ignore like all of my posts hes not a super genious he also gets his wisdome from a god 😐
I was reffering to the Superman Comment.
Black Adam can't beat Diana. She's way too skilled for him. Her physical power is too even a match for him. With BA and WW being so evenly matched in the first place, her skill and weapons give her the clear victory 7/10 or more.
Originally posted by Draco69
When WW and Superman fight, it's usually Superman being mindcontrolled or they're holding back for opposite goals.Disregarding the horrible Azarello issue:
Wonder Woman: Kal-El! I won't let you commit suicide with the Orb! I have this magical knife and I'll kill you with it if you try to commit suicide!
Superman: ........Dumbass writer.
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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I was reffering to the Superman Comment.Black Adam can't beat Diana. She's way too skilled for him. Her physical power is too even a match for him. With BA and WW being so evenly matched in the first place, her skill and weapons give her the clear victory 7/10 or more.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Supergenious vs. Wisdom of Athena. HMM. I"d say he doen't have any advantages over her in intelligence. I'd also say that if Superman where trying to kill Diana of his own accord, and she knew this, She would certainly have no problem returning the favor. We have never seen Diana and Superman Fight fully unleashed. We know that they can both be viscious. We know he's more durable and a bit faster. We know she is a better fighter, with magic weapons and an unbreakable shield. They would clearly kill each other.
Okay, you just COMPLETELY blew over my point. I was saying that if Superman fought with all his potential WHILE BEING IN HIS RIGHT MIND SET, then he'd be a little (LITTLE) bit too much for her to handle. I wasn't comparing minds or anything like that. Not only is he more durable and faster, but he's more versatile and stronger. But Wonder Woman has her weapons and her skill. All in all, Superman would be beating her 7/10.
Originally posted by batdude123
Okay, you just COMPLETELY blew over my point. I was saying that if Superman fought with all his potential WHILE BEING IN HIS RIGHT MIND SET, then he'd be a little (LITTLE) bit too much for her to handle. I wasn't comparing minds or anything like that. Not only is he more durable and faster, but he's more versatile and stronger. But Wonder Woman has her weapons and her skill. All in all, Superman would be beating her 7/10.
Originally posted by batdude123
Okay, you just COMPLETELY blew over my point. I was saying that if Superman fought with all his potential WHILE BEING IN HIS RIGHT MIND SET, then he'd be a little (LITTLE) bit too much for her to handle. I wasn't comparing minds or anything like that. Not only is he more durable and faster, but he's more versatile and stronger. But Wonder Woman has her weapons and her skill. All in all, Superman would be beating her 7/10.
On the forum.. KO is a win.
But this fight is between Black Adam.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlThat's the point, they aren't as close as you think they are when in full swing. Supes' feats prove this over and over and over again. She's ON PAR with Superman, but once he leagues it up, he leaves her behind.
5/10 each. Maybe 6/10 Superman. No one can beat someone who is so close to them in physical might that easily. Especially if the person possesses far greater skill. He easily has better ranged offense. She has better defense and that sword is a killer. Superman isn't used to fighting anything like that.