Batman vs. Iceman

Okay, well, Bobby has cooled HEAT beams. Literal beams of heat. He could take the Torch, and even if the Torch destroys earth, all he has done is killed himself, and left bobby floating out in space.

'Bubbles' of force won't work on Iceman. Considering that a force field stops...well....force. Consciousnesses don't exude it. He could go to any other water on the planet, including that inside of Sue Richards. It would kind of be like teleporting out of the Field, considering that he doesn't have to TOUCH water to transfer from/to it.

Magneto manipulating electrons in the water will do little besides make the water ionic. Besides, what is he going to do when bobby resides inside him? Or when he is getting flash-frozen? Hell, it was said that bobby could travel from boston to atlanta before someone could pull the trigger of a gun. I think he has the speed and maneuverability advantage over Magneto.

As far as the Flash goes, that's been argued on the Iceman/Storm vs. Aquaman/Flash thread. Go check it out. Igniting moisture on fire (I didn't know that water could burn...what is water's flash point?), even if it were possible, would be ineffective. Bobby has existed as vapor plenty of times. Besides dumping every droplet of water on the entire planet (including that which resides inside the Flash's own body) into the speed force, the Flash doesn't really have much to do to Bobby.

EDIT: As far as 'destroy the planet' arguments go, what kind of speed are we talking here? Bobby can INSTANTLY freeze their bodies. At a whim. Also, destroying the planet would hardly work, unless you collided it with Anti-matter. I mean, if the planet/atmosphere is gone, it will fall to pieces, but there will still be ice, it would just now be floating in space. So, unless you find a way to destroy matter, or change all the matter on the planet into energy, you'll be hard pressed to destroy Iceman.

Hell, Iceman could even simply allow Magneto/Invisible Woman to do this, and all the while be INSIDE them, allowing them to believe they have won. As soon as they get to wherever they have decided they'll live now, Bobby flash freezes them, and uses the moisture from their body as his new construct. Following, he uses moisture inversion on whatever planet/asteroid/ship they got to, and uses all THAT water to create his new, Ice, kingdom. 😛.

Originally posted by Soljer
Okay, well, Bobby has cooled HEAT beams. Literal beams of heat. He could take the Torch, and even if the Torch destroys earth, all he has done is killed himself, and left bobby floating out in space.

'Bubbles' of force won't work on Iceman. Considering that a force field stops...well....force. Consciousnesses don't exude it. He could go to any other water on the planet, including that inside of Sue Richards. It would kind of be like teleporting out of the Field, considering that he doesn't have to TOUCH water to transfer from/to it.

Magneto manipulating electrons in the water will do little besides make the water ionic. Besides, what is he going to do when bobby resides inside him? Or when he is getting flash-frozen? Hell, it was said that bobby could travel from boston to atlanta before someone could pull the trigger of a gun. I think he has the speed and maneuverability advantage over Magneto.

As far as the Flash goes, that's been argued on the Iceman/Storm vs. Aquaman/Flash thread. Go check it out. Igniting moisture on fire (I didn't know that water could burn...what is water's flash point?), even if it were possible, would be ineffective. Bobby has existed as vapor plenty of times. Besides dumping every droplet of water on the entire planet (including that which resides inside the Flash's own body) into the speed force, the Flash doesn't really have much to do to Bobby.

Your Right, Ice Man is God. He is only on the xmen for moral support and doesn't need a team to back him up. He can beat The human torch and sue richards, who both have faced Heralds. And he can beat Magneto who is himself Herald lvl. And the flash, who is many many times faster than thought, he could just freeze him.

Originally posted by Grimm22
I HATE THE MOTHERBOX!!! ranting

Seriously its probobly not as powerful as you make it up to be.

If it was, then why did Barda lose to some of the maradurs or whatnot?!?

She hardly ever uses it. And, it's rarely used to its full potential. Barda is like Wonder Woman, she likes to kick some ass. She's not going to take the easy way out.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your Right, Ice Man is God. He is only on the xmen for moral support and doesn't need a team to back him up. He can beat The human torch and sue richards, who both have faced Heralds. And he can beat Magneto who is himself Herald lvl. And the flash, who is many many times faster than thought, he could just freeze him.

Hate to break it to you, sweetheart, but yeah. Iceman, written to his potential, and not acting like an idiot would, in fact, be able to take down pretty much ANYONE who isn't a matter/reality manipulator.

Or a strong psychic, and even that is under debate considering that Jean couldn't find Iceman's consciousness while he was in vapor form.

Barring those three possibilities (Matter manipulation, reality manipulation, or telepathy), Iceman is damn near unbeatable.

Hence, he is widely hated on these forums. It's frustrating.

Originally posted by batdude123
She hardly ever uses it. And, it's rarely used to its full potential. Barda is like Wonder Woman, she likes to kick some ass. She's not going to take the easy way out.

Good point 😬

However, that makes Bats a jerk 😛

well if Bats can beat Mr Freeze. then.. 😕

Originally posted by braz
well if Bats can beat Mr Freeze. then.. 😕

Mr. Freeze is a chump 😉

Captain Cold >>>> Mr. Freeze 😎

Originally posted by Grimm22
Mr. Freeze is a chump 😉

Captain Cold >>>> Mr. Freeze 😎

Taking the eskimo's side... ❌

captain cold?

Originally posted by batdude123
Taking the eskimo's side... ❌

Flash Villans >>>>>> Batman Villans 😎

Freezing the water inside someone only works if they are human and dont' have will power powers of thier own. I'd like to see Ice Man freeze, Superman's water. Or Wonder Woman. Or Thor. He is very good. one of my favs. But so beatable. Batman can take ice man with prep. I could see Batman have some advanced Dehydrating doo hickey that just erases BOBBY. Or something better. HELL it only takes lightning to seperate the molecules of water. So bobbyis pretty much toast to anyone who knows how to do it.

Haha, because electrolysis is really going to work on someone who can exist in every molecule of water on the planet. Good idea. Go back to 7th grade science class, please.

And where in the x-men books has it said that bobby can only freeze the weak willed? He is an omega mutant, not a Jedi. Show me where he failed to freeze someone because that person WILLED their water molecules to stay unfrozen.

Jesus, you're really pulling shit out of your ass now. And you never even gave me a rebuttal for Iceman's wins over Invisible Woman, the Torch, Magneto, or the Flash. What happened to those? You seemed so sure before.

Is it possible....you are arguing about characters you know very little about? 😱

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Freezing the water inside someone only works if they are human and dont' have will power powers of thier own. I'd like to see Ice Man freeze, Superman's water. Or Wonder Woman. Or Thor. He is very good. one of my favs. But so beatable. Batman can take ice man with prep. I could see Batman have some advanced Dehydrating doo hickey that just erases BOBBY. Or something better. HELL it only takes lightning to seperate the molecules of water. So bobbyis pretty much toast to anyone who knows how to do it.

lmao...@ the scenerios that people create in order to have a Batmen victory. Bobby IS and always will be a god-like character, unless like Soljer said, he's battlin a matter reality manipulater like Scarlet or FR then your doomed....What could keep him from stopping the blood flow to Bats brain? or transmuting himself inside his body and controling him like a puppet. NOTHING. other than a lack of interest of writers who still see him as the snow man. When he is a really a True Elemental.

Ice Man is not a top ten toon in Marvel. He ain't beaten anyone on my list. He also doesn'thave the will power to be in every molecule of water on the planet. Who is he? Proffesor X or somebody? Get real.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ice Man is not a top ten toon in Marvel. He ain't beaten anyone on my list. He also doesn'thave the will power to be in every molecule of water on the planet. Who is he? Proffesor X or somebody? Get real.

He is an omega-level mutant. Never heard of unlimited potential? He has phoenix-potential, like all Omega mutants. He CAN exist as every water molecule on the planet. Learn about who you are debating, and then come back and try. You may fare a little bit better.

Get real.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ice Man is not a top ten toon in Marvel. He ain't beaten anyone on my list. He also doesn'thave the will power to be in every molecule of water on the planet. Who is he? Proffesor X or somebody? Get real.

U r right, as written he aint. But if written well and to his full-potential there is seemingly NO way to defeat him

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ice Man is not a top ten toon in Marvel. He ain't beaten anyone on my list. He also doesn'thave the will power to be in every molecule of water on the planet. Who is he? Proffesor X or somebody? Get real.

Dude, I think you need to go and read up on Iceman, his power extends far beyond just freezing someone. He can manipulate molecules to stop moving instantly, causing absolute zero, not even the deepest regions of space are capable of absolute zero.

On top of this, he can exist as water molecules spread over the entire planet.

There is no answer for that.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Dude, I think you need to go and read up on Iceman, his power extends far beyond just freezing someone. He can manipulate molecules to stop moving instantly, causing absolute zero, not even the deepest regions of space are capable of absolute zero.

On top of this, he can exist as water molecules spread over the entire planet.

There is no answer for that.

Thank you. Where the **** is Blair Wind when you need him? 😛.

It seems a decent sized group of people on these forums know very little about Iceman. ❌

Originally posted by H. S. 6
It seems a decent sized group of people on these forums know very little about Iceman. ❌

Ice Man is bah, I gave a list of people that can beat Ice Man and I stand by it.