Crazy in Love

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Crazy in Love

Scientists say that the brain chemistry of infatuation is akin to mental illness—which gives new meaning to "madly in love."
Excerpt from feature by Lauren Slater; National Geographic 02/2006

In the Western world we have for centuries concocted poems and stories and plays about the cycles of love, the way it morphs and changes over time, the way passion grabs us by our flung-back throats and then leaves us for something saner. If Dracula—the frail woman, the sensuality of submission—reflects how we understand the passion of early romance, the Flintstones reflects our experiences of long-term love: All is gravel and somewhat silly, the song so familiar you can't stop singing it, and when you do, the emptiness is almost unbearable.

We have relied on stories to explain the complexities of love, tales of jealous gods and arrows. Now, however, these stories—so much a part of every civilization—may be changing as science steps in to explain what we have always felt to be myth, to be magic. For the first time, new research has begun to illuminate where love lies in the brain, the particulars of its chemical components.

Anthropologist Helen Fisher may be the closest we've ever come to having a doyenne of desire. At 60 she exudes a sexy confidence, with corn-colored hair, soft as floss, and a willowy build. A professor at Rutgers University, she lives in New York City, her book-lined apartment near Central Park, with its green trees fluffed out in the summer season, its paths crowded with couples holding hands.

Fisher has devoted much of her career to studying the biochemical pathways of love in all its manifestations: lust, romance, attachment, the way they wax and wane. One leg casually crossed over the other, ice clinking in her glass, she speaks with appealing frankness, discussing the ups and downs of love the way most people talk about real estate. "A woman unconsciously uses orgasms as a way of deciding whether or not a man is good for her. If he's impatient and rough, and she doesn't have the orgasm, she may instinctively feel he's less likely to be a good husband and father. Scientists think the fickle female orgasm may have evolved to help women distinguish Mr. Right from Mr. Wrong."

One of Fisher's central pursuits in the past decade has been looking at love, quite literally, with the aid of an MRI machine. Fisher and her colleagues Arthur Aron and Lucy Brown recruited subjects who had been "madly in love" for an average of seven months. Once inside the MRI machine, subjects were shown two photographs, one neutral, the other of their loved one.

What Fisher saw fascinated her. When each subject looked at his or her loved one, the parts of the brain linked to reward and pleasure—the ventral tegmental area and the caudate nucleus—lit up. What excited Fisher most was not so much finding a location, an address, for love as tracing its specific chemical pathways. Love lights up the caudate nucleus because it is home to a dense spread of receptors for a neurotransmitter called dopamine, which Fisher came to think of as part of our own endogenous love potion. In the right proportions, dopamine creates intense energy, exhilaration, focused attention, and motivation to win rewards. It is why, when you are newly in love, you can stay up all night, watch the sun rise, run a race, ski fast down a slope ordinarily too steep for your skill. Love makes you bold, makes you bright, makes you run real risks, which you sometimes survive, and sometimes you don't.


Dr Fisher has subdivided "love" into three stages with each having a distinct set of critical neurotransmitters/hormones.

Lust, which is relatively self-explanatory and driven by testosterone and oestrogen. Romantic love which is characterized by a degree of euphoria, obsession thinking and focused attention, and is driven by monoamines. And attachment, maintained and driven by oxytocin and vasopressin.

So is love simply chemicals in the brain, or do you think there's more to it?
How much do you agree with the notion that love is akin to a mental disorder?
Do you think you've ever been or are you currently "in love" and how aptly do Fisher's stages describe what you felt/feel?

I agree for the most part and studies like this have been saying what you summed up for over a decade now (probably longer thats just when I actually read about them.0

Interesting none the less and certainly does take the "mystery" out of romance huh🙂

It also compounds the difficulty of treatment of the clinically depressed. 🙁

In my opinion we look to "treat" far to many things today and end up creating as many problems as solving.

Living in the world of Pharma goodness.................. ❌

Meh.. clinical depression is a serious condition. There is such a thing as chemical imbalance in the brain despite what Dr Tom Cruise and his PhD from Crazy-couch-jumping-my-baby-doesn't-actually-exist-I-hug-people-with-my-crotch University says.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Meh.. clinical depression is a serious condition. There is such a thing as chemical imbalance in the brain despite what Dr Tom Cruise and his PhD from Crazy-couch-jumping-my-baby-doesn't-actually-exist-I-hug-people-with-my-crotch University says.

I don't deny there are illness's that need treatment, just about how we diagnose and treat...................lol thirty years ago amphetamines were used for over 30 odd illness's🙂 No wonder we got fat in the USA we got off speed from doctors.

Tom Cruise............... 😆 On a side note if crazy gets you Katie Holmes, crazy must be a pretty ok place to be.

Originally posted by Soleran
I don't deny there are illness's that need treatment, just about how we diagnose and treat...................lol thirty years ago amphetamines were used for over 30 odd illness's🙂 No wonder we got fat in the USA we got off speed from doctors.

Tom Cruise............... 😆 On a side note if crazy gets you Katie Holmes, crazy must be a pretty ok place to be.

With the advent of modern scientific techniques and increased knowledge of cognitive function pharmacology is less likely to go down such unsafe routes imo. Besides I can't think of many alternatives off the top of my head.

As for Katie Holmes... I don't think there was much point in him getting her...

What better way to greet an old associate by rubbing crotches?

Must resist derailing own thread.

Damn, I thought this was a thread about CrazyInLove, the KMC Member. Speaking of which...Becca, get your ass on the computer and post more!!

Originally posted by botankus
Damn, I thought this was a thread about CrazyInLove, the KMC Member. Speaking of which...Becca, get your ass on the computer and post more!!
you and me both! i thought i was gonna have to hurt someone. and she can't.

Why not?

Originally posted by botankus
Why not?
can't say on here, bot. the walls have eyes, and ears, and a mouth....two legs and arms. ohwait! that's my poster of Lima 😄

The ancient Greeks thought erotic love was a mental disorder that temporarily overcame man's rational faculties.

Sounds about right. 😉