Originally posted by Bardock42
I did not miss the point, I guess what you are trying to say is that I actually understood the point, but explained why it is wrong. For one because "good for humanity" is kind of subjective (and when I say "kind of", I mean "totally"😉 and also, because some of the things that are "good for humanity" (subjective) are to most of you not at all moral. Now, for example I would argue that the Holocaust and the second World War were indeed good for humanity, was it good because of that? No.
I have no idea what your talking about...sorry. Im not using the terms 'good' or 'evil' and I dont know why you keep bringing it into the argument.
Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
'Humanity' (defined as: humanness, or the quality of being humane) itself is subjective to opinion, therefore being 'harmful to humanity' is also subjective...
Humanity is a species. That is not subjective. Doing harm(again I define this as 'causing another human pain, or death'😉 to another human is also not subjective.
Originally posted by Nerevar
Doing harm(again I define this as 'causing another human pain, or death'😉 to another human is also not subjective.
Originally posted by Storm
The difference between good and evil can only be weighed in your mind. Things that seem good to you may completely be unacceptable from my point of view. As being the individual that you are and capable of making your own decisions, only you can distinguish the difference.
Yes I understand that, I agree with you. However....again, I am not using the terms 'good' and 'evil'. Causing someone harm is not an abstract principle, it is concrete reality and therefore objective. Whether the act of causing somone pain is justified or not, that is the subjective part. Though in *most* cases, *most* people would agree that causing somone harm is a bad thing that should be avoided. Regardless, in all cases of a person being harmed, the person is harmed.
Originally posted by Storm
Pain is a subjective experience.
Thats an interesting point, Im not sure how pain differs from human to human. But even if it is subjective to the body, it is not subjective to the mind. You cant 'decide' how much pain you feel. Also even if different people experienced pain in different degrees, it is still universally unpleasant and potentially unbearable.
Originally posted by Nerevar
Thats an interesting point, Im not sure how pain differs from human to human. But even if it is subjective to the body, it is not subjective to the mind. You cant 'decide' how much pain you feel. Also even if different people experienced pain in different degrees, it is still universally unpleasant and potentially unbearable.
You can "decide" how much pain you feel. It takes a lot of discipline, but it can be done. Pain is all in your head.
Originally posted by Nerevar
Humanity is a species. That is not subjective. Doing harm(again I define this as 'causing another human pain, or death'😉 to another human is also not subjective.
Oh, so you are saying what is causing harm to another human being..is wrong? Do I get you? Why do you say humanity then...also when talking about the species humankind would be more applicable.
Originally posted by Nerevar
I have no idea what your talking about...sorry. Im not using the terms 'good' or 'evil' and I dont know why you keep bringing it into the argument.
Well, i kinda try to bring them up, because, well, that is the topic of the thread.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh, so you are saying what is causing harm to another human being..is wrong? Do I get you? Why do you say humanity then...also when talking about the species humankind would be more applicable.Well, i kinda try to bring them up, because, well, that is the topic of the thread.
1. Thinking about whether the act is wrong or not, is irrelevent to the actual harm being done. You pretending that harming another is justified, that is your opinion. Though the actual harm is not. And I felt like using the word 'humanity'...you have a problem with that>? 🙄
2. If you insist on talking about the thread, I already agreed that no one is 'evil'.
Originally posted by Nerevar
1. Thinking about whether the act is wrong or not, is irrelevent to the actual harm being done. You pretending that harming another is justified, that is your opinion. Though the actual harm is not. And I felt like using the word 'humanity'...you have a problem with that>? 🙄2. If you insist on talking about the thread, I already agreed that no one is 'evil'.
You pretending that harm is not justified and/or has to be justified is in no way different. And I don''t have a problem with that except that it was confusing and maybe even wrong in that context, nothing personal.
Okay, do you also agree that nothing is evil?
Originally posted by Bardock42
You pretending that harm is not justified and/or has to be justified is in no way different. And I don''t have a problem with that except that it was confusing and maybe even wrong in that context, nothing personal.Okay, do you also agree that nothing is evil?
I would argue that the actual harm being done is 'evil', though I hate using that term.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Why evil though? A subjective evil, of course, right?
"e·vil
adj. e·vil·er, e·vil·est
1. Morally bad or wrong; wicked: an evil tyrant.
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful: the evil effects of a poor diet.
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune; ominous: evil omens.
4. Bad or blameworthy by report; infamous: an evil reputation.
5. Characterized by anger or spite; malicious: an evil temper.
n.
1. The quality of being morally bad or wrong; wickedness.
2. That which causes harm, misfortune, or destruction: a leader's power to do both good and evil.
3. An evil force, power, or personification.
4. Something that is a cause or source of suffering, injury, or destruction: the social evils of poverty and injustice.
adv. Archaic
In an evil manner."
Going by noun definition of evil #4, pain is evil. The pain is not subjective, it is universally a source of suffering, injury, or destruction.