Originally posted by rotiart
hey. i'm saying that IF franklin has no defenses set up, and still has only human durability, AND supermans speed blitz is faster than franklin's ability to put up a shield, then superman wins.otherwise franklin shatters reality around superman, recreates krypton, and puts superman home.
And thats my point exactly yet everyone just blows up because there is only hype around what Franklin CAN do, certianly no evidence to show him overcoming the speed.
Originally posted by rotiart
he does not speedblitz against new foes.
he blitzs old foes, after he knows what they can take. so that he can put them down without killing them. superman would not fly in willy nilly punching away at a human beings face, he never did that. not even against zod or supergirl black.
Yeah, he's afraid of killing somebody, no matter how horrible that person is or what they have done in the past. However, Superman being bloodlusted, willing to kill, and using all of his powers to the most efficient way possible; it's always an option. 😉
Originally posted by ExodusCloakSo is Despero. And tons of others who've tried and failed.
True, but it's not as if Supes hasn't been overcome by telepathy before, sure it may have taken a very long time and that situation was unique but it still happened. Franklin at full potential is more powerful then Maxwell.
Maxwell Lord had a decade to break down Supes mind, while acting as a friend. It's a bad example. Franklin won't have an entire decade in this fight.
The whole speedblitz argument is a joke.
Franklin, at full potential, is not "Human". Period.
He is Ulti-Man. Equal to, or more powerful than the Celestials. An Abstract Entity.
The most powerful being in the universe/multiverse.
Being the most powerful being in existence cannot be contained in flesh and blood. Cannot travel as a human through space, time, realities.
His power is immeasurable. Strength immeasurable, durability immeasurable, intelligence immeasurable.
So, the comic goes like this...
Superman does his gay speedblitz, Franklin does not react as Superman pounds away. It looks like Supes was faster than Franklin's thought or reflexes.
Then, all the fanboys get excited as they turn the page of the comicbook.
All jaws drop. On the next page, Franklin is still just standing there, watching, as Superman's arms and legs begin breaking down into stray atoms.
All Superman can do, is look up at Ulti-Man, and mumble one sound:
Erg?
Franklin giggles as he punches Superman's funny, wobbly torso right out of this reality.
Originally posted by Juntai
So is Despero. And tons of others who've tried and failed.Maxwell Lord had a decade to break down Supes mind, while acting as a friend. It's a bad example. Franklin won't have an entire decade in this fight.
Yup you broke that tactic against Supes...T-Vo is just ridiculous...but there's still the tactic where Franklins consciousness Reality Warps. When Emma died for the second time and was shattered her Diamond Form was still active while her mind was also lingering. It stands to reason that Franklin could reality warp in this state fixing his body and blinking Supes out of existence.
But anyway, I'm through with hypothetical characters...Supes should take this by default due to lack of feats...
BTW I'm still going to use that tactic against speedsters who aren't so resistant to telepathy. 😛
again i pose the question for the incredibly thick or unbelieveably retarted. can superman speed blitz universes or galactus or the phoenix or eternity? franklin's power is NOT independant of his physical human body it is a PART of it and you cant just destroy the body because his power PROTECTS it. god dont u people know anything about psionics? nate grey's HUMAN body has taken hits from beings with no upper strength level and blasts from the likes of THANOS. even current franklin is IMMEASUREABLY beyond a celestial able to create full sized{hes beyond the pocket universe phase} universeS unconciously as a BOY with very little control of his power. even HE would kill superman in a blink how exactly do u plan on superman standing against a full potential GOD, who for all i know might even be beyond if atleast not on the same level as scarlet witch with the omniverse destroying chaos wave. THINK ABOUT IT. superman= move at NEAR lightspeed
franklin=creates/destroyes/trancends the very IDEA of speed and its constituents space/time. and he does that even NOW as a BOY.
Originally posted by Juntai
So is Despero. And tons of others who've tried and failed.Maxwell Lord had a decade to break down Supes mind, while acting as a friend. It's a bad example. Franklin won't have an entire decade in this fight.
But your all forgetting one thing, Franklin's powers are all theoretical, and there is actually no valid reason why Superman could not defeat Galactus, after all Hyperion did. Another thing, which Superman are we talking about? If its Prime were talking about, then Franklin is done. Superman-Prime can warp time and reality with a punch, so what is stopping him from reacting faster than Franklin and going back in time and making so Franklin never existed by killing the invisible woman, thus negating Franklin's existance. Not to mention Prime is MORE POWERFUL than PRE-CRISIS Supes, and is IMMUNE to Kryptonite.
Originally posted by Sirius77
But your all forgetting one thing, Franklin's powers are all theoretical, and there is actually no valid reason why Superman could not defeat Galactus, after all Hyperion did. Another thing, which Superman are we talking about? If its Prime were talking about, then Franklin is done. Superman-Prime can warp time and reality with a punch, so what is stopping him from reacting faster than Franklin and going back in time and making so Franklin never existed by killing the invisible woman, thus negating Franklin's existance. Not to mention Prime is MORE POWERFUL than PRE-CRISIS Supes, and is IMMUNE to Kryptonite.
Quick question.......When did he warp reality/time with a punch??
Or was it stated that he's now immune to kryptonite?
And Full potential franklin would be something like an Abstract.
I doubt any Superman can beat Eternity by punching him....... What significance does a punch have against a universe??
Unless you feel that fists>>>> reality/space warping??
Cuz at least we've seen the latter two from Franklin.
A new version of Superman shows up, and he automatically gets powers and abilities that he never exhibited once on panel.
Originally posted by UniOmniWell Superman prime provides power to all the other supermen of his time because he is ridiculously powerful. Superman 1 million almost completely drained of power punched a hole in space to travel through time. This is obviously an impressive feat on its own and Prime is many many times more powerful. While Prime is a little ridiculous it's still quite clear that he is amazingly powerful.
Quick question.......When did he warp reality/time with a punch??Or was it stated that he's now immune to kryptonite?
And Full potential franklin would be something like an Abstract.
I doubt any Superman can beat Eternity by punching him....... What significance does a punch have against a universe??
Unless you feel that fists>>>> reality/space warping??
Cuz at least we've seen the latter two from Franklin.
A new version of Superman shows up, and he automatically gets powers and abilities that he never exhibited once on panel.
Originally posted by HorrificusWouldn't happen like that in a comicbook and you damn well know it.
The whole speedblitz argument is a joke.
Franklin, at full potential, is not "Human". Period.
He is Ulti-Man. Equal to, or more powerful than the Celestials. An Abstract Entity.
The most powerful being in the universe/multiverse.
Being the most powerful being in existence cannot be contained in flesh and blood. Cannot travel as a human through space, time, realities.
His power is immeasurable. Strength immeasurable, durability immeasurable, intelligence immeasurable.So, the comic goes like this...
Superman does his gay speedblitz, Franklin does not react as Superman pounds away. It looks like Supes was faster than Franklin's thought or reflexes.
Then, all the fanboys get excited as they turn the page of the comicbook.
All jaws drop. On the next page, Franklin is still just standing there, watching, as Superman's arms and legs begin breaking down into stray atoms.
All Superman can do, is look up at Ulti-Man, and mumble one sound:
Erg?
Franklin giggles as he punches Superman's funny, wobbly torso right out of this reality.
Originally posted by UniOmniFranklin 'full potential' is all hypothetical and theoretical, its stupid to argue for or against. All we're getting is "He should be on 'blank' level, and -should- be able to do 'blank'. People just making up whatever shit sounds good.
Quick question.......When did he warp reality/time with a punch??Or was it stated that he's now immune to kryptonite?
And Full potential franklin would be something like an Abstract.
I doubt any Superman can beat Eternity by punching him....... What significance does a punch have against a universe??
Unless you feel that fists>>>> reality/space warping??
Cuz at least we've seen the latter two from Franklin.
A new version of Superman shows up, and he automatically gets powers and abilities that he never exhibited once on panel.
Originally posted by Juntai
Franklin 'full potential' is all hypothetical and theoretical, its stupid to argue for or against. All we're getting is "He should be on 'blank' level, and -should- be able to do 'blank'. People just making up whatever shit sounds good.
True.
But at least we've seen Franklin manipulate reality like a rubix cube.
Superman gets the abilities, without ever showing them.