Thor & Juggernaut (vs) Superman & Hulk

Started by batdude1234 pages
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Since when has Supes ever moved at 100 times the speed of light? I thought he could only move at 21?

Nope. Try speeding Darkseid to the sun in a couple of seconds when it takes light 8 minutes to get there. 😉

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Can you show an instance besides the low end feat with mongoose where Thor has ever had trouble with a character who can move at multiples of the speed of light?

No no no. This is your argument. You're supposed to prove to me that Thor would be able to handle a speedblitz from Superman. Fact remains that Superman is faster, and has faster reaction times and reflexes. 🙂

Originally posted by batdude123
Nope. Try speeding Darkseid to the sun in a couple of seconds when it takes light 8 minutes to get there. 😉

No no no. This is your argument. You're supposed to prove to me that Thor would be able to handle a speedblitz from Superman. Fact remains that Superman is faster, and has faster reaction times and reflexes. 🙂

That still doesn't = 100 times the speed of light

So Thor hitting knocking a mad Surfer during a speedblitz means nothing?

When did Superman reaction speed and reflexes become greater than Thors? speed, reaction time, and reflexes are two totally different things.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
That still doesn't = 100 times the speed of light

So Thor hitting knocking a mad Surfer during a speedblitz means nothing?

When did Superman reaction speed and reflexes become greater than Thors? speed, reaction time, and reflexes are two totally different things.

Um, unless you are referring to a different time, that was WARRIOR MADNESS Thor and Silver Surfer wasn't "speedblitzing" Thor. Do you even know what speed blitzing is? Speed blitzing isn't flying right towards a person to get hit. 😂 Btw, SS was trying to help WM Thor. AND Thor had the power gem. Nice try. 😉

And actually Superman flying to the sun in two seconds equates to 240x the speed of light. Not to mention his instantaneous boom tube crazy ass feat as well.

And please don't try to tell me that Superman doesn't have faster reflexes than Thor. 🙄 Come on. Read a Superman comic. He thinks and reacts at light speeds.

Originally posted by batdude123
Um, unless you are referring to a different time, that was WARRIOR MADNESS Thor and Silver Surfer wasn't "speedblitzing" Thor. Do you even know what speed blitzing is? Speed blitzing isn't flying right towards a person to get hit. 😂 Btw, SS was trying to help WM Thor. AND Thor had the power gem. Nice try. 😉

And actually Superman flying to the sun in two seconds equates to 240x the speed of light. Not to mention his instantaneous boom tube crazy ass feat as well.

And please don't try to tell me that Superman doesn't have faster reflexes than Thor. 🙄 Come on. Read a Superman comic. He thinks and reacts at light speeds.

First I would like to point out that the Warrior Madness really isn't a power up, it Thor in rage mode losing his senses. Kind of like a mad man.

Secondly your strength growing by 10 fold has nothing to do with your speed nor your reflexes. Now Im not sure if his speed and reflexes grew or not, but the comic never stated so, so I can't assume it did. Meaning that any speed Wm Thor was moving at, Classic Thor can match it.

So Surfer saying that "even a mad god can't withstand the wrath of the Silver Surfer", means he was trying to help Thor? No, Surfer was tired of getting knocked around so he speed towards Thor and still got knocked.

Please give me scans that shows Supermans reflexes are greater than Thors, seeing as Thor has been shown to swing at multiples of the speed of light also.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
First I would like to point out that the Warrior Madness really isn't a power up, it Thor in rage mode losing his senses. Kind of like a mad man.

Secondly your strength growing by 10 fold has nothing to do with your speed nor your reflexes. Now Im not sure if his speed and reflexes grew or not, but the comic never stated so, so I can't assume it did. Meaning that any speed Wm Thor was moving at, Classic Thor can match it.

So Surfer saying that "even a mad god can't withstand the wrath of the Silver Surfer", means he was trying to help Thor? No, Surfer was tired of getting knocked around so he speed towards Thor and still got knocked.

Please give me scans that shows Supermans reflexes are greater than Thors, seeing as Thor has been shown to swing at multiples of the speed of light also.

No, it's pretty clear that Warrior Madness Thor is amped physically in all categories 10x. With the Power Gem, that just makes it even moreso. The fact of the matter is that Dr. Strange and Silver Surfer were trying to save Thor. Silver Surfer being bloodlusted (as Validus has said before) is an oxymoron. SS did not speedblitz him, and the fact that you are trying to use an amped up Thor as evidence shows that you're grabbing for straws my friend. 🙁

And are you serious that you want me to show proof of Superman having faster reflexes? 🙄 Come on.

(When does Thor do anything like this🙂
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4530/08222005115613am7bx.jpg
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/679/08222005124311pm3un.jpg
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9203/pics0017bn.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4214/superman20speed20vs20mongul202.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9558/supermanandmongul8pr.jpg

(Superman's brain rocks the house)
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9101/0869a916yt.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/704/08222005052719pm2ys.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/8281/08222005052832pm2wo.jpg

(Taking Darkseid the sun in two seconds. He has a common place that he's going to. Proof that he's able to perceive things at these speeds.)
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5590/darksiedbeaten7sq.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6573/darksiedbeaten25ph.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/192/supermanbatman13pg08097cu.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1609/supermanbatman13pg109es.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5647/supermanbatman13pg114cl.jpg

Supes analyzing and understanding genetic structures by just "glancing."

(Catching hundreds of aliens)
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/1981/speed35ft.jpg

(Speedblitzing an entire city of villains)
http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman60950qq.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman60960hc.jpg
http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman60974em.jpg
http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman60980cw.jpg
http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman609108bq.jpg
http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman609124ed.jpg
http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman609150vs.jpg
http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman609165uu.jpg
http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman609187vv.jpg
http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman609190gm.jpg

And did you honestly just say that Thor has the reaction speeds of Superman because he can swing Mjolnir at light speeds??? 🤨 Pffffft. 🙄 Thor has NOWHERE NEAR the reflexes of Superman. Nice try (again).

Originally posted by Soujaboy
First I would like to point out that the Warrior Madness really isn't a power up, it Thor in rage mode losing his senses. Kind of like a mad man.

Secondly your strength growing by 10 fold has nothing to do with your speed nor your reflexes. Now Im not sure if his speed and reflexes grew or not, but the comic never stated so, so I can't assume it did. Meaning that any speed Wm Thor was moving at, Classic Thor can match it.

So Surfer saying that "even a mad god can't withstand the wrath of the Silver Surfer", means he was trying to help Thor? No, Surfer was tired of getting knocked around so he speed towards Thor and still got knocked.

Please give me scans that shows Supermans reflexes are greater than Thors, seeing as Thor has been shown to swing at multiples of the speed of light also.

Since WM thor is up again, what is the deal with that Valkyrie?? It HIT Drax. How can a hallucination hit anything, let alone Drax?

Originally posted by batdude123
Gladiator doesn't speedblitz. I saw their fight. Glads didn't make the effort of actually speedblitzing Thor, and Supes is exactly the speedblitzing type. 🙂 Not only that, his high end feats suggests he's even faster than Glads. 😉

How many times has Thor (not Masterson) fought Gladiator. In their FF fight the entire fight took place at superspeed, remember. Gladiator notice high speed blurs at the edge of his vision and then investigate at superspeed, including their fight. I supose that Gladiator may not know that Thor doesn't naturally possess that level of speed but if he found out...

Originally posted by batdude123
No, it's pretty clear that Warrior Madness Thor is amped physically in all categories 10x. With the Power Gem, that just makes it even moreso. The fact of the matter is that Dr. Strange and Silver Surfer were trying to save Thor. Silver Surfer being bloodlusted (as Validus has said before) is an oxymoron. SS did not speedblitz him, and the fact that you are trying to use an amped up Thor as evidence shows that you're grabbing for straws my friend. 🙁

And are you serious that you want me to show proof of Superman having faster reflexes? 🙄 Come on.

(When does Thor do anything like this🙂
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4530/08222005115613am7bx.jpg
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/679/08222005124311pm3un.jpg
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9203/pics0017bn.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4214/superman20speed20vs20mongul202.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9558/supermanandmongul8pr.jpg

(Superman's brain rocks the house)
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9101/0869a916yt.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/704/08222005052719pm2ys.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/8281/08222005052832pm2wo.jpg

(Taking Darkseid the sun in two seconds. He has a common place that he's going to. Proof that he's able to perceive things at these speeds.)
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5590/darksiedbeaten7sq.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6573/darksiedbeaten25ph.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/192/supermanbatman13pg08097cu.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1609/supermanbatman13pg109es.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5647/supermanbatman13pg114cl.jpg

Supes analyzing and understanding genetic structures by just "glancing."

(Catching hundreds of aliens)
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/1981/speed35ft.jpg

(Speedblitzing an entire city of villains)
http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman60950qq.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman60960hc.jpg
http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman60974em.jpg
http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman60980cw.jpg
http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman609108bq.jpg
http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman609124ed.jpg
http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman609150vs.jpg
http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman609165uu.jpg
http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman609187vv.jpg
http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman609190gm.jpg

And did you honestly just say that Thor has the reaction speeds of Superman because he can swing Mjolnir at light speeds??? 🤨 Pffffft. 🙄 Thor has NOWHERE NEAR the reflexes of Superman. Nice try (again).

Again speed doesn't = reflexes and reaction time.

For example, in the game of football lineman needs to have top notch reaction times, most times the best on the field. The lineman with the best reaction times, is still the slowest moving position.

What does understanding the genetic structure of someone have to do with reflexes?

There are many ways to counter speed

If Supes legs or fist were transmuted to jello, his speed wouldn't be of much use.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/Transmutation1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/Transmutation2.jpg

Thor could just absorb Supes enery all together

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsPresence1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsPresence2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsPresence3.jpg

How fast do you think Supes can move if Thor paralyzes him?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/paralyzing0012bb.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/paralyzing0020nh.jpg

A nice way to block Supes punches, with a handy force field

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/forcefield0010tj.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/forcefield0021vh.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/forcefield0032tc.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/forcefield0048ii.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/forcefield0057dk.jpg

Not as fast as Supes, but here's a minor speed feat

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/thorspeed014aw.jpg

More minor speed feats

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/lightspeed0015yl.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/lightspeed0021oi.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/lightspeed0034wq.jpg

Minor speed feat

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsLokiandFenris.jpg

Another minor speed feat

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/thehammerspeed0029uc.jpg

Reacting fast ebough to counter a blast from the Pheonix

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZThor1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZThor2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZThor3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZThor4.jpg

Speed can be countered, just ask Thanos

😉

man supermans trumps thor feats, stop while you still got little dignity in your fan boy ass

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Again speed doesn't = reflexes and reaction time.

For example, in the game of football lineman needs to have top notch reaction times, most times the best on the field. The lineman with the best reaction times, is still the slowest moving position.

What does understanding the genetic structure of someone have to do with reflexes?

There are many ways to counter speed

If Supes legs or fist were transmuted to jello, his speed wouldn't be of much use.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/Transmutation1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/Transmutation2.jpg

Thor could just absorb Supes enery all together

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsPresence1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsPresence2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsPresence3.jpg

How fast do you think Supes can move if Thor paralyzes him?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/paralyzing0012bb.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/paralyzing0020nh.jpg

A nice way to block Supes punches, with a handy force field

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/forcefield0010tj.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/forcefield0021vh.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/forcefield0032tc.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/forcefield0048ii.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/forcefield0057dk.jpg

Not as fast as Supes, but here's a minor speed feat

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/thorspeed014aw.jpg

More minor speed feats

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/lightspeed0015yl.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/lightspeed0021oi.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/lightspeed0034wq.jpg

Minor speed feat

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ThorvsLokiandFenris.jpg

Another minor speed feat

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/thehammerspeed0029uc.jpg

Reacting fast ebough to counter a blast from the Pheonix

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZThor1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZThor2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZThor3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Scans/ZThor4.jpg

Speed can be countered, just ask Thanos

😉

I'm sorry, but what the hell are you talking about??? 😆 Yes, Mjolnir can do some crazy ass powerful sh*t. So? Like I said, it's all countered by Superman's speed. Thor WOULD NOT have time to pull out the fancy crap Mjolnir possess. 😂 Thor wouldn't even know what hit him when Superman SPEEDBLITZED him. Manueverability, speed, and reflexes are on his side. If Superman just stood there and ALLOWED Thor to use those attacks, then yes he would win. But fortunately Superman is fast enough to fly to the moon and back in seconds, so that doesn't really matter. I don't even know how you could even compare Thor's reflexes/reaction speeds to Superman. And then when I showed evidence of superior speed, you didn't even counter with reflexive speeds. You just countered with some pics of him doing exotic crap with Mjolnir that he never uses. Superman's speed is exactly what would counter that, so for ALL the power Thor wields in Mjolnir, it's still moot because of Superman's speed. 😉

Originally posted by batdude123
I'm sorry, but what the hell are you talking about??? 😆 Yes, Mjolnir can do some crazy ass powerful sh*t. So? Like I said, it's all countered by Superman's speed. Thor WOULD NOT have time to pull out the fancy crap Mjolnir possess. 😂 Thor wouldn't even know what hit him when Superman SPEEDBLITZED him. Manueverability, speed, and reflexes are on his side. If Superman just stood there and ALLOWED Thor to use those attacks, then yes he would win. But fortunately Superman is fast enough to fly to the moon and back in seconds, so that doesn't really matter. I don't even know how you could even compare Thor's reflexes/reaction speeds to Superman. And then when I showed evidence of superior speed, you didn't even counter with reflexive speeds. You just countered with some pics of him doing exotic crap with Mjolnir that he never uses. Superman's speed is exactly what would counter that, so for ALL the power Thor wields in Mjolnir, it's still moot because of Superman's speed. 😉

Yes I know Superman moves at a hell of a lot faster speed than Thor, but I doubt with Thor's durability he can be taken out in .0001 of there fights every single time. Now yes I do understand that Supes will take a few wins with speedblitz tactic, but I think you forget Thor does have god like reflexes and should be able to counter with a shield before he's is ko'd.

Do you think Supes can win 10/10?

Originally posted by MattDay
man supermans trumps thor feats, stop while you still got little dignity in your fan boy ass

Um no he doesn't trump all of Thors feats, there about on the same lv. 😉

Let the big boys handle this debate, you sit on the sideline and masturbate to your Supes comics 😉

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Yes I know Superman moves at a hell of a lot faster speed than Thor, but I doubt with Thor's durability he can be taken out in .0001 of there fights every single time. Now yes I do understand that Supes will take a few wins with speedblitz tactic, but I think you forget Thor does have god like reflexes and should be able to counter with a shield before he's is ko'd.

Do you think Supes can win 10/10?

Fair enough. And no, I don't think Superman would win 10/10. Absolutely NOT. I think Superman would win 5.5-6/10. 🙂

Originally posted by batdude123
Fair enough. And no, I don't think Superman would win 10/10. Absolutely NOT. I think Superman would win 5.5-6/10. 🙂

Ok I respect your opinion, now add Juggernaut to the mix with his impenetrable shield and vast strength I think Juggernaut and Thor can take 6-7 outa 10.

HULK IS VERY ANGRY SO HE BEATS EVERYONE

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
HULK IS VERY ANGRY SO HE BEATS EVERYONE

Oh yea I forgot, Hulk can reach Celestial lv in seconds

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Oh yea I forgot, Hulk can reach Celestial lv in seconds

celestial???? 😆 HIS BASE STRENGHT IS ABOVE GALACTUS AND DON'T FORGET THE GAMMA BEAMS!!!!!!!!!!!

I wonder if people who keep spamming and trolling like SuperChangeling are going to be banned just like him?

Originally posted by Dalak
I wonder if people who keep spamming and trolling like SuperChangeling are going to be banned just like him?

ah enjoy the fun

I guess we can get back on topic