Originally posted by Lord UrizenFirst of all, I applaud your professionalism. Intelligent debate is a rare thing, especially online, where people seem to think they can say anything they want (FistoftheNorth).
All I suggest is that next time you go making claims like this, do your research. It seems to me you only base your assumptions from television, freinds, and word of mouth.Visit the Bronx...visit any trash downed ghetto...and then tell me that the success rate at places like those are just as good as the success rate for neighborhoods where Whites usually live.
Second, I would just like to say that I didn't take any information from friends, word of mouth, or television, the post was based entirely off of my opinion. In fact, I'd say that most of my friends and people on television would disagree with me.
Third, I never said that success rates were the same between ethnic minorities and whites, and while I agree that more often than not they get the short end of the stick, you yourself said that they are to blame for their oppression.
Nah. I don't care if he goes to gay clubs. Not my problem.
But this question goes to the sensitive Soth who gets too emotional when struck by a passionate speaker.
Soth, you keep saying "I didn't say this or I didn't say that", then what are you saying? What is your point in this topic? What message are you trying to convey?
What are you trying to prove? You keep talking about white guilt and blacks complaining....ok and?
Originally posted by Soth
First of all, I applaud your professionalism. Intelligent debate is a rare thing, especially online, where people seem to think they can say anything they want (FistoftheNorth).
Thanks. Actually, it's pretty rare when my own arguments only display rationality and objectivity. Much of the time, a lot of my emotion goes into arguments, and then I end up no where.
The people who tend to say whatever they want are the same who tend to insult someone for having a different opinion, and yes, it lacks much professionalism. I find that Conservatives, Liberals, and other types of debators alike have thier share in this fault.
Originally posted by Soth
Second, I would just like to say that I didn't take any information from friends, word of mouth, or television, the post was based entirely off of my opinion. In fact, I'd say that most of my friends and people on television would disagree with me.
Fair Enough. But in your opinion, you made many claims that one would mistaken as factual. I think next time your argument would hold more weight if you use specific or general evidence (stats, examples from news, whatever) to back up your point.
Any claim you or I make that is very general/stereotypical and cannot be backed up my specific and wide range examples will be always be subject to attack and criticism.
Originally posted by Soth
Third, I never said that success rates were the same between ethnic minorities and whites, and while I agree that more often than not they get the short end of the stick, you yourself said that they are to blame for their oppression.
No...just the opposite. The Lower class is not to blame for thier own oppression. Only people in power can oppress another class.
How did you intepret that I said Minorites are to blame for their own oppression? Go back and READ what I said slowly...
Originally posted by Soth
...... you yourself said that they are to blame for their oppression.
Soth, this is actually what I said....
When the Government decides to stop sending such low funds to schools in predominantly black and hispanic areas, so much to the point where students need to fkn share seats and text books....
While highly funding schools in predominantly white areas, then I will agree with your claim that Minorites as a whole are lazy, and therefore are to blame for thier own oppression...
Next time read slower. I did not blame minorities for thier own oppression, I have always argued the opposite.
Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
Uh oh...do I smell a sh.t storm brewing?
Just making an Observation.
Every group contains some sort of Bigotry, Gays, Straights, Black, White, Man or Woman.
It just so happens that bigotry does nothing good for minorities. For Blacks and Hispanics or Asians to be racist in United States is pointless because they reap no benefits from it.
For a woman to be a bigot is also absurd, because she reaps no benefits from it as well.
As it it also hypocritical for a Gay person to be a racial bigot, since it does nothing for them.
In United States, the only group that benefits from racism and sexism, collectively, are Straight White Males. Is it okay for them to be racist and sexist ? No, it's always wrong, but they benefit from these systems of hatred. No one else does...
That is what I am trying to say....Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Indians, Arabs, Gays, and Women need to wake up...bigotry and prejudice only promotes more problems, and in no way will give them the same power that the Rich White Straight Protestant Male can achieve from the same social system.
Originally posted by FistOfThe NorthEmotional? I wouldn't say I get emotional, one of my biggest pet peeves is people putting words in my mouth. (and I understand that I just did that with Urizen yesterday, I never said I was perfect).
the sensitive Soth who gets too emotional when struck by a passionate speaker.
And there's a difference between being a passionate speaker and attacking your opponent's intelligence in a debate, if I may quote you: What a crock of "fresh out the ass" sh*t...lol, You're an idiot to think...You're hopeless...your thoughtless life...Think about it first before writing your senseless and pathetic rants. Completely and utterly unnecessary and rude.
what are you saying? What is your point in this topic? What message are you trying to convey? What are you trying to prove? You keep talking about white guilt and blacks complaining....ok and?
My point in this topic is to explain my opinion that Affirmative Action as a philosophy has gone too far. Instead of promoting equality between all races like it should, Affirmative Action
is more interested in promoting 'reverse racism.'
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Can you tell me how white straight men benefit from racism and sexism?
Gladly. It's called "White Advantage" which has existed for quite some time, and has slowly become weaker since the 1970's.
Notice several observations many a people will claim, even fellow Whites:
- on average, employers prefer to hire white straight males rather than white females, gay white males, black or hispanic males, etc. Ask around....see what answers you find.
- The W.A.S.P. Elite happen to own the majority of United States wealth. Enough said.
- Although sex appeal is a term more linked with women, when it comes to men in our media, notice that the majority of male hollywood sex symbols in United States happen to be white (then Hispanic, and last Black)
- higher funding from the Government is sent to schools where the area is predominantly populated by Whites (preferabl Anglo Saxon whites)
- You ever notice how most Conservatives happen to BE White in ratio to Liberals who happen to be both White and other minorities ? Ask yourself why...
- In terms of corporation, promotion levels, medicine, authority positions, politics, etc. White straight males are taken more seriously than Gay white males, Black Males, White Women, Hispanic Males or Females, etc.
- Homosexuality and Bisexuality, especially in Men, is viewed as being a "sissy trait". Being heterosexual is socially associated with strength and responsibility. Just look at the unfair portrayal of Gays and Bisexuals in the media...i am Bisexual, and i tell you....im probably the most masculine acting person you'll meet.
- From extreme religious perspectices (which exist high in number) Gays and Lesbians are seen as automatically immoral, while Straights are given the view of a "clean slate".
- On Average, WOMEN ARE PAID LESS THAN MEN..for the SAME positions 😱
- "White Trash" is a term used to insult poor white men, not white men in general. A "Hick" is a term used to insult an isolated and uneducated white man or woman.
These terms exist to insult Whites that do not live up to "white expectations". There is no insult to insult a "poor black" or "poor hispanic" because being Black or Hispanic is automatically associated with poverty already, regardless of whether or not class is true. Terms like "n*gger" and "sp*c" are used to insult the ENTIRETY of Blacks and Hispanics, not just the poor ones.
Need more examples ?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Gladly. It's called "White Advantage" which has existed for quite some time, and has slowly become weaker since the 1970's.Notice several observations many a people will claim, even fellow Whites:
- on average, employers prefer to hire white straight males rather than white females, gay white males, black or hispanic males, etc. Ask around....see what answers you find.
- The W.A.S.P. Elite happen to own the majority of United States wealth. Enough said.
- Although sex appeal is a term more linked with women, when it comes to men in our media, notice that the majority of male hollywood sex symbols in United States happen to be white (then Hispanic, and last Black)
- higher funding from the Government is sent to schools where the area is predominantly populated by Whites (preferabl Anglo Saxon whites)
- You ever notice how most Conservatives happen to BE White in ratio to Liberals who happen to be both White and other minorities ? Ask yourself why...
- In terms of corporation, promotion levels, medicine, authority positions, politics, etc. White straight males are taken more seriously than Gay white males, Black Males, White Women, Hispanic Males or Females, etc.
- Homosexuality and Bisexuality, especially in Men, is viewed as being a "sissy trait". Being heterosexual is socially associated with strength and responsibility. Just look at the unfair portrayal of Gays and Bisexuals in the media...i am Bisexual, and i tell you....I'm probably the most masculine acting person you'll meet.
- From extreme religious perspectices (which exist high in number) Gays and Lesbians are seen as automatically immoral, while Straights are given the view of a "clean slate".
- On Average, WOMEN ARE PAID LESS THAN MEN..for the SAME positions 😱
- "White Trash" is a term used to insult poor white men, not white men in general. A "Hick" is a term used to insult an isolated and uneducated white man or woman.
These terms exist to insult Whites that do not live up to "white expectations". There is no insult to insult a "poor black" or "poor hispanic" because being Black or Hispanic is automatically associated with poverty already, regardless of whether or not class is true. Terms like "n*gger" and "sp*c" are used to insult the ENTIRETY of Blacks and Hispanics, not just the poor ones.
Need more examples ?
Just asking.Even though i'm sure that there are tons on example,but no, I don't need more examples. I am an example. White privilege does exist but I can't let discrimination and racism hold me back. It only affects those who whine about it and do nothing but act pathetically in a corner sobbing about how whites don't like me cause I'm black..
I face discrimination + racism everyday but I still go to class every single day. Oppression will not keep me from getting that Bachelor's degree this Dec. And fcuk a glass ceiling. I'm gonna shatter it.
Sometimes you are your own worst enemy. The fight should start in you by defeating these BS inferiority complexes.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Just asking.Even though i'm sure that there are tons on example,but no, I don't need more examples. I am an example. White privilege does exist but I can't let discrimination and racism hold me back. It only affects those who whine about it and do nothing but act pathetically in a corner sobbing about how whites don't like me cause I'm black..
Who are you arguing against ? I encourage you to do what you must.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I face discrimination + racism everyday but I still go to class every single day. Oppression will not keep me from getting that Bachelor's degree this Dec. And fcuk a glass ceiling. I'm gonna shatter it.
Good ! Shatter away ! 😄
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Sometimes you are your own worst enemy. The fight should start in you by defeating these BS inferiority complexes.
Who do you think created and promoted those inferiority complexes ?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Who are you arguing against ?Who do you think created and promoted those inferiority complexes ?
I'm not arguing against nothing you said. I just wanted to know how whites benefit from racism when it's the last thing they want to be known for, i'm assuming.
And you wanted to know who created those inferiority complexes. The possessor of the complex.
No one's forcing anyone to have low self-esteem, low expectancy or low confidence. These things happen to people because they allow negativity like that overpower them. People need to start developing a strong will and discipline and accept that there are barriers to being colored while at the same time forging an unstoppable "you" capable of breaking through all overbearing barriers in spite of what people think about you or the race you're from or color or all the other BS the oppressors created. Hate starts from within and it must be dealt with by the creator. You. Hate that come from the outside is a shatterable as watter. It's just as easy to penetrate. Wanna know how to do it? By ignoring it and keep moving. Keep moving upward and onward. That's all. It's hard but possible. You end up winning in the end cause you're matters are more important than someone upset with you because their own personal insecurities are flawed. People fear what they don't understand. And that's to bad for them. Sucks for them actually cause they live in a constant state of ignorance and fear. Imagine living like that 24/7, around people, all the time. You'd be a wreck! And that's why they're upset. That's no way to live. And that's why they act the way the act. People like racists are pissed off about being pissed off and fearful, and it's your fault. lol That's what I think.