Originally posted by Soljer
I agree; no doubt.I just don't believe it gives him total invulnerability. T'challa is a street leveller, after all, not the Juggernaut.
I know, he is much faster, yet you still doubt T'challas ability to dodge it, I think he would dodge it with ease, you doubt his speed.
Also, what if BP decides to fire his Energy daggers at Capt, (which will be set to kill) , T'challa has options man, options you are not considering.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
I know, he is much faster, yet you still doubt T'challas ability to dodge it, I think he would dodge it with ease, you doubt his speed.Also, what if BP decides to fire his Energy daggers at Capt, (which will be set to kill) , T'challa has options man, options you are not considering.
I've considered the options. Captain America can hit fast opponents with his shield. Even so, he likely wouldn't hit Panther the first time. Captain America wouldn't hit him every time, no doubt! But he wouldn't NEED to. It wouldn't take many landed shield throws to put T'Challa out of commission.
Nor would it take many killing energy daggers to put Captain America out of commission.
Hence, I still say it comes down to 5/10.
You are acting like I'm saying that Captain America wins this in a curbstomp "You haven't considered the options," bah! If I hadn't considered those options, Panther wouldn't be winning half the time.
Originally posted by Soljer
I've considered the options. Captain America can hit fast opponents with his shield. Even so, he likely wouldn't hit Panther the first time. Captain America wouldn't hit him every time, no doubt! But he wouldn't NEED to. It wouldn't take many landed shield throws to put T'Challa out of commission.Nor would it take many killing energy daggers to put Captain America out of commission.
Hence, I still say it comes down to 5/10.
You are acting like I'm saying that Captain America wins this in a curbstomp "You haven't considered the options," bah! If I hadn't considered those options, Panther wouldn't be winning half the time.
So your saying the option of BP's Anit-metal claws, wont cut Capts skin, even though they have cut through Adamantium?
Originally posted by Apolloknight
So your saying the option of BP's Anit-metal claws, wont cut Capts skin, even though they have cut through Adamantium?
Enlighten me. Seriously, because you are becomming a slight bit frustrating.
Where in the HELL did I say that T'Challa's claws wouldn't cut through Captain America's skin? Really?
Originally posted by Soljer
Enlighten me. Seriously, because you are becomming a slight bit frustrating.Where in the HELL did I say that T'Challa's claws wouldn't cut through Captain America's skin? Really?
Look at it this way, You said yourself Capt would have to hit BP with alot of very hard shield Throws, you act like BP is just going to be standing there taking all this punishment, Look at it this way.........
Capt throws his shield, he misses, BP is all in his face, They trade blows since they are both very skilled in H2H. Capts blows do very little against the vibranium Mircoweave, let alone BP own personal durability, which has shown to be very high pre-vibranium suit era. Now instead of regular punches coming from BP, he uses his Anti-metal claws.
If they both hit each other 3 times in a matter of 10 seconds, whos in better shape afterward? Remember, BP using his Anti-metal claws!!!
On top of this, Capt doesn't even have his shield to help defend himself because according you, he is going to throw it. Hmmm, like I said earlier, Capt is going to need everything he had against the much more lethal and deadly BP.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Look at it this way, You said yourself Capt would have to hit BP with alot of very hard shield Throws, you act like BP is just going to be standing there taking all this punishment, Look at it this way.........Capt throws his shield, he misses, BP is all in his face, They trade blows since they are both very skilled in H2H. Capts blows do very little against the vibranium Mircoweave, let alone BP own personal durability, which has shown to be very high pre-vibranium suit era. Now instead of regular punches coming from BP, he uses his Anti-metal claws.
If they both hit each other 3 times in a matter of 10 seconds, whos in better shape afterward? Remember, BP using his Anti-metal claws!!!
On top of this, Capt doesn't even have his shield to help defend himself because according you, he is going to throw it. Hmmm, like I said earlier, Capt is going to need everything he had against the much more lethal and deadly BP.
*laughs*
No.
Re-read the previous posts. It WOULDN'T take many shield throws to put Panther down for the count.
Also, Captain America has worked with the Panther before, he KNOWS T'Challa. He knows better than to rush in hand to hand, so long as T'Challa has those claws. Captain America will simply evade the panther, play defense, regain his shield, and then try another shield throw. Panther may dodge one or two, but he isn't going to dodge them every time, and it wouldn't take more than one or two to lay him out.
If they were both stripped of weapons, put in a gi, and thrown in a dojo, it would be a much more interesting fight, but Cap knows that he has the long range advantage, and he is going to utilize it to it's fullest.
Originally posted by Tshern
How is Cap actually going to get his shield after throwing it? Panther just lets him pick it up during their fist fight?
There IS no ensuing fist fight.
As I previously mentioned, Captain America simply stays on the defensive, rather than trying to punch virbanium. He evades, feigns, grabs his shield (assuming he doesn't simply grab it after a richochet, as he has so many times before), and tosses it again.
Originally posted by Soljer
*laughs*No.
Re-read the previous posts. It WOULDN'T take many shield throws to put Panther down for the count.
Also, Captain America has worked with the Panther before, he KNOWS T'Challa. He knows better than to rush in hand to hand, so long as T'Challa has those claws. Captain America will simply evade the panther, play defense, regain his shield, and then try another shield throw. Panther may dodge one or two, but he isn't going to dodge them every time, and it wouldn't take more than one or two to lay him out.
If they were both stripped of weapons, put in a gi, and thrown in a dojo, it would be a much more interesting fight, but Cap knows that he has the long range advantage, and he is going to utilize it to it's fullest.
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Yep Capt has the long range advantage because cap can Throw one shield at a time, miss, try and get it, yet BP can throw Multiple Energy daggers at a time, non stop. 🙄 But he still has the long range advantage.
And how is Capt going to evade BP who is faster and more agile then Capt. Man you are starting to show your biased opinions toward capt on this one.
And Capt doesn't KNOW T'challa, just because he has teamed up with him, Hell if capt really knew T'challa he would of known BP joined the avengers to spy on them 😆 . Ironman couldn't predict T'challas moves with his advanced combat logic systems, because he is that Unpredictable, but Stark could predict Capts.......hmmm.
matter of fact, I wouldnt be surprised if BP used capts shield laying on the ground to try and bait capt.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
😱Yep Capt has the long range advantage because cap can Throw one shield at a time, miss, try and get it, yet BP can throw Multiple Energy daggers at a time, non stop. 🙄 But he still has the long range advantage.
And how is Capt going to evade BP who is faster and more agile then Capt. Man you are starting to show your biased opinions toward capt on this one.
And Capt doesn't KNOW T'challa, just because he has teamed up with him, Hell if capt really knew T'challa he would of known BP joined the avengers to spy on them 😆 . Iron couldn't predict T'challas moves with his advanced combat logic systems, because he is that Unpredictable, but Stark could predict Capts.......hmmm.
matter of fact, I wouldnt be surprised if BP used capts shield laying on the ground to try and bait capt.
Energy daggers that are easily evaded. Also, please note that while T'Challa is easily more agile than Steve, he is in no way faster.
You are also misunderstanding my notion of Cap's knowledge of T'Challa. I don't mean he'll predict T'Challa's moves, I mean he'll know what the claws are capable of. He'll know how good T'Challa really is with them. He isn't going to be bumbling into them any time soon.
My bias towards Capt? It's not like I have him in my signature or anything 😗 .
*sighs* As I've mentioned time and time again, opinions are like assholes. And I sincerely doubt that either of our assholes are gonna re-form any time soon. That said, I'd like to point out that if I was biased towards Captain America, you'd be seeing me giving him a clear majority in this fight, as many others have done in the past, rather than merely pointing out a draw. A draw in a fight where the two combatants really are quite nearly evenly matched.
Originally posted by Soljer
Energy daggers that are easily evaded. Also, please note that while T'Challa is easily more agile than Steve, he is in no way faster.You are also misunderstanding my notion of Cap's knowledge of T'Challa. I don't mean he'll predict T'Challa's moves, I mean he'll know what the claws are capable of. He'll know how good T'Challa really is with them. He isn't going to be bumbling into them any time soon.
My bias towards Capt? It's not like I have him in my signature or anything 😗 .
*sighs* As I've mentioned time and time again, opinions are like assholes. And I sincerely doubt that either of our assholes are gonna re-form any time soon. That said, I'd like to point out that if I was biased towards Captain America, you'd be seeing me giving him a clear majority in this fight, as many others have done in the past, rather than merely pointing out a draw. A draw in a fight where the two combatants really are quite nearly evenly matched.
I agree with you 110%, in a fight with just gi's on it could go 5/10 to either side, but with gadgets........
Originally posted by Apolloknight
I agree with you 110%, in a fight with just gi's on it could go 5/10 to either side, but with gadgets........
I dunno about that, with Gi's, while the fight would be more interesting, I could see Captain America edging out a slight majority (6/10) with his superior strength and durability. Not to mention that the two are, at the very least, equal in speed and skill.
I will also admit that T'Challa has the superior gadgets, however, Captain America has bullseye-like precision with his Shield, except he has a LOT more power behind it. So long as Cap stays away from T'Challa's claws, I don't see him having a problem, five out of ten times, 😉.
Originally posted by Soljer
I dunno about that, with Gi's, while the fight would be more interesting, I could see Captain America edging out a slight majority (6/10) with his superior strength and durability. Not to mention that the two are, at the very least, equal in speed and skill.I will also admit that T'Challa has the superior gadgets, however, Captain America has bullseye-like precision with his Shield, except he has a LOT more power behind it. So long as Cap stays away from T'Challa's claws, I don't see him having a problem, five out of ten times, 😉.
I know we will probably never give in to each-other, but I want to ask you something, Is capt fast enough to do this.....
