Originally posted by Apolloknight
Juggernauts Strength has been said to be able to shatter planets on panel, also, His fight with the other exemplars was stated to be the greatest fury ever unleashed on earth by the narrator.Narrator=Writer/Editor>>>Beyonder.
Also, we have shown you an article of Juggernauts Limitless Strength show me Stans, and guess what, when you do, I will still disagree with it since you disagree with the Editors about Juggernaut. See how easy that is!!!!!! You cant make claims for something if you cant prove it, sorry, Stan has just be dismissed.
Also, His Durability does grow with his Strength, but not as fast, I never argued that.
Beyonder = narrator/writer/editor.
And so what, Hulk's strength has been as well. He and Ironclad shook countless of universes once. And what does fury mean? Not necessarily strength output. The output would have been phenomenal, I'd believe that. But there's more than just Juggernaut.
As for the article, you've shown a vague note that implies that GENERAL current opinion around the HQ believe that his strength is unlimited. There's nothing official or clear cut. Meaning two things:
1: it could change any moment, which has obviously happened before.
2: it could include literally everyone's opinion, from the chief editor to the chief editor's personal secretary.
Now, I'm still open to some undebiable evidence, but so far, all of Juggernaut's power ups appear to be beyond his own will. Sorry. But it's not too late for Marvel to make it official, though. But so does the Hulk for an unlimited increase of durability.
Also, How does hulks brain not have an 100% capacity................err, do you even know what you just said. And when have you ever proved the opposite to be true, did you read Dalaks post a few pages back, even he had to admit that Hulks anger cannot be Limitless.You missed my Point, Galactus has a limit, so what if He destroys the universe 10x over, you thing LT is going to care? He has an entire mult-verse to Judge, one universe he could care less about. My point was, everybody has limits on there power, Galactus and down, yes, to even Include the Hulk.
And you missed my point on Thanos also, If Hulk TRULY has unlimited anger Accel, answer me this, how could he ever lose?
I mean stop and think about this question before you reply to this, for if his anger is unlimited, then he has Unlimited Strength, Stamina and Durability.
Who would ever beat a pissed off Hulk in a pure slug-feast? I will answer you my own question........nobody, you said his strength can match Celestials in seconds, so Honestly Accel, who could beat the Hulk if his Anger was TRULY Unlimited, without the use is PIS/CIS?
Dalak admitted, if I remember correctly, that his durability may not be increase at the same rate as his strength. I happen to disagree with that, but okay. This stuff is debatable, since it's never been specified. But my theory makes the most logical sense of all.
He may have a 100% capacity, but what if it's so high that it's beyond anything calculable? What if it's so high that literally any feat can be pulled off with the strength that those levels generate? It didn't take the Hulk's 100% to break Onlslaught, eventhough his strength shoot through the roof? And then again, he may not have a 100% capacity. Infinity doesn't have a 100% capacity, so the Hulk's anger may be limitless still.
The Hulk sometimes loses because his anger isn't a tangible power he can use against everyone. His desires, are an entirely different matter, but his anger is something that must be provoked. He's not always provoked to function at peak level(because he can't always immediately deduce how power his foe is), he's not always catching up with something because he may not be given the time, Improving phsyique isn't always enough in a fight etc. In the context of a narrative there's plenty of reason's why Hulk can't always live up to his potential. He may be distracted, he may underestimate someone, he may be possessed, he may struggle with weaknesses(take prof. Hulk's Savage Banner plague, for example), he may be otherwise restrained etc.
The same basic principles go for every other character who's powers are balanced out with certain weaknesses/limitations. Especially for protagonists, who shoulnd't become invincible all of the time. That's why they arranged Hulk's(and others) powerset so that he he has plenty of moments to shine and also certain moments that cause tension, show him defeated or provoke thought. This is, ofcourse, ignoring the fact that there's also the possibility of PIS and CIS, but those lines are sometimes blurred. Yes, even for Juggernaut and Thor. But that's not my point anyway.
And yes, if his strength increases to, say celestial heights, he HAS to increase his durability to keep himself from being torn apart. There is one instance where Hulk's strength increased, but his durability didn't. Post-onslaught. Guess what? His health was detoriating at the time due to the seperation from Bruce, causing his body to function differently. This is a good argument, because it shows that the Hulk's durability needs to increase to keep up with the strength, which, at the time, it didn't. In fact, it went down. He also lost his ability to grow stronger with rage.
And matching celestial heights in terms of strength does not equal victory. Especially if that strength cannot counter all the other powers. But if this were purely a fist fight, then he should be able to hold his own against anyone who's on the same level as him at that moment. Unless ofcourse, that person starts to increase his strength, after which Hulk would have to keep growing. But the funny thing is, the Hulk's strength stops growing when the job is done, but what if the job can never be done? What if his opponent is completely immortal(Like Juggernaut)? Then it would keep increasing until he's won. But since he'll never knock him out, it will keep increasing. And it will keep increasing at a faster rate too.
Ofcourse, this stuff wrapped in that kind of scenario has never happened, and it will likely never happen. But you can't say it can't happen if the Hulk's power set allows for it.
