Gandalf the White vs. Voldemort

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Good for the Witch King

Too bad that this doesn't invalidate him breaking Saruman's staff after tanking his fireball 👆

[QUOTE="EmperorShitius2"]Any barrier gandalf attempts to put up voldemort can break. Voldmelrt can turn gandalfs,staff onto a ferret or anything else or vaporize it. Also voldemort has insta kills amd torture spells and many other spells at his command.

Yeah and Dumbledore is faster than ICBM's and wingardium leviosa can stop ICBM's and railgun shells

You're a joke 👆 [/QUOTE]

We are not going through this again. I was examining in a different sense. I was examining it as a can it lift it. Did you not see the shield breaking charm in deathly gallows part 2. He did the rest of the work of destroying the rest of the shield that was made by 4 powerful witches and wizards. With that why wouldn't he be able to break that barrier. I didn't say he was faster I said he could disapparatimg and again I took it into the sense that if their was an ICBM he could that spell to lift it. So voldemort doesn't have avada kedavra, he doesn't crucio, and he doesn't have a shield breaking spell, and he doesn't have a variety of spells?

You are the real joke.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2

Yeah and Dumbledore is faster than ICBM's and wingardium leviosa can stop ICBM's and railgun shells

You're a joke 👆

We are not going through this again. I was examining in a different sense. I was examining it as a can it lift it. Did you not see the shield breaking charm in deathly gallows part 2. He did the rest of the work of destroying the rest of the shield that was made by 4 powerful witches and wizards. With that why wouldn't he be able to break that barrier. I didn't say he was faster I said he could disapparatimg and again I took it into the sense that if their was an ICBM he could that spell to lift it.

Get over yourself. [/B]

>Dumbledore lifting an ICBM that's moving Mach 25+

Oh and Gandalf's shield was able to stand up to Sauron briefly, same ****er who casually destroyed a massive tower as a side effect of TKing Gandalf's ass and matched a Balrog's striking power, same Balrog who's footsteps caused Dwarven stonework to collapse 👆

Originally posted by StealthRanger
We are not going through this again. I was examining in a different sense. I was examining it as a can it lift it. Did you not see the shield breaking charm in deathly gallows part 2. He did the rest of the work of destroying the rest of the shield that was made by 4 powerful witches and wizards. With that why wouldn't he be able to break that barrier. I didn't say he was faster I said he could disapparatimg and again I took it into the sense that if their was an ICBM he could that spell to lift it.

Get over yourself.

>Dumbledore lifting an ICBM that's moving Mach 25+

Oh and Gandalf's shield was able to stand up to Sauron briefly, same ****er who casually destroyed a massive tower as a side effect of TKing Gandalf's ass and matched a Balrog's striking power, same Balrog who's footsteps caused Dwarven stonework to collapse 👆 [/B][/QUOTE]

Ok again I didn't take into the speed of it just the fact that he could use that charm to lift objects of the speed. I'm not particular concerned with this one. Let's stay on the topic at hand shall we.

1. Scaling characters like this. Powers into separate universes with different rules so it's difficult to compare how the barriers will work. On the potter side voldemort was able to destroy a shield (that wa already broken but couldn't be destroyed by hundreds of death eaters and snatchers, with a wand that wasn't going at full strength. While on the gandalf side you had gandalf in a weaker form (gandalf the grey) blocking a dark blast from one if not the most powerful dark sider or being of all time with difficulty of I remember it correctly. With this if you compare it's almost a tie as both did incredible things. However the spell used is different as Sauron attacked with a dark blast while voldemort let attacked with a spell dedicated to destroying shields and barriers. With that I would conclude Voldmelrt would destroy his shield as he destroyed hogwarts and is attacking with a charm that destroys shields.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2 1. Scaling characters like this. Powers into separate universes with different rules so it's difficult to compare how the barriers will work.

Going by actual durability feats seems like one hell of a good start to me 👆

On the potter side voldemort was able to destroy a shield (that wa already broken but couldn't be destroyed by hundreds of death eaters and snatchers, with a wand that wasn't going at full strength.

Attacks from beings who have.... no notable DC feats to their name

While on the gandalf side you had gandalf in a weaker form (gandalf the grey) blocking a dark blast from one if not the most powerful dark sider or being of all time with difficulty of I remember it correctly. With this if you compare it's almost a tie as both did incredible things. However the spell used is different as Sauron attacked with a dark blast

He briefly held back a dude who casually destroyed a skyscraper as a side effect of his power 👆

while voldemort let attacked with a spell dedicated to destroying shields and barriers. With that I would conclude Voldmelrt would destroy his shield as he destroyed hogwarts and is attacking with a charm that destroys shields. [/B]

"It destroyed some shield from the Potterverse so it can destroy any shield"

A grade logic

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Going by actual durability feats seems like one hell of a good start to me 👆

Attacks from beings who have.... no notable DC feats to their name

He briefly held back a dude who casually destroyed a skyscraper as a side effect of his power 👆

"It destroyed some shield from the Potterverse so it can destroy any shield"

A grade logic

Ok let's go by that then.

it's still hundreds vs a shield made by 4 people. The hundred by themselves is enough to be powerful, also among those ranks are dolohov yaxley notable death eaters and even bellatrix, so there are definitely some power houses in there. Even if there weren't it did enough to break the shield slightly.

Again I saw the movie but have a very limited knowledge of LOTR. From what I saw gandalf the grey was able to briefly block a dark blast from Sauron. So he the most powerful character of the series or 2nd.

This wasn't just some shield from Harry Potter. This was a shield made by some of the most powerful characters of the universe itself. Proffesor flitwick, charms master and dueling champion noted for his charms. Molly weasley someone able to at least press and offense on bellatrix and helped create the protego maxima shield which means she has intermediate to slightly to high charms power, Horace slug horn a definite charms master as the death eaters had been trying to recruit him for a while and was also one of the ones putting up the shield so he is definitely a master at charms and the fourth possibly being mcgonagall as it was three strands in the same position so with that 4 very powerful people. So this wasn't just a random shield that you see this was a powerful barrier made by 4 powerful people.

Think about that.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
Gandalf is a Maia spirit; he came back from the dead already as a more powerful person. That may work against a human but not against a divine spirit such as Gandalf the White.

He came back because his god sent him back to finish his task. Which should be irrelevant here. You don't get to say he would be immune by virtue of being "divine".

Of course it is moot, Voldemort doesn't need the AK to kill Gandalf.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Good for the Witch King

Too bad that this doesn't invalidate him breaking Saruman's staff after tanking his fireball 👆

[QUOTE="EmperorShitius2"]Any barrier gandalf attempts to put up voldemort can break. Voldmelrt can turn gandalfs,staff onto a ferret or anything else or vaporize it. Also voldemort has insta kills amd torture spells and many other spells at his command.

Yeah and Dumbledore is faster than ICBM's and wingardium leviosa can stop ICBM's and railgun shells

You're a joke 👆 [/QUOTE] That gives an explanation why he can do so by either being more powerful or having the authority to do so since saruman was corrupted. We later see gandalfs staff destroyed by the witch King. You have no evidence to support he can do so to a more powerful character such as Voldemort.

😄

Ak. Tom wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That gives an explanation why he can do so by either being more powerful or having the authority to do so since saruman was corrupted.

He was able to do it to Saruman because he was more powerful

We later see gandalfs staff destroyed by the witch King.

Good for the Witch King

You have no evidence to support he can do so to a more powerful character such as Voldemort.

lol

Originally posted by StealthRanger
He was able to do it to Saruman because he was more powerful

Good for the Witch King

lol

Well, we see gandalfs can have his staff destroyed quite easily by a guy beaten by a torch with his friends.

Gandalfs isn't close to Voldemort in power. Hogwarts shield feat absolutely annihilates anything the burning pine cone thrower has to offer.

So just to be clear, Fake Mad Eye Moody can quite casually turn a dude into a ferret. Why..why can't Voldemort do this? Let me guess though, Gandalf is immune to transmutation because he is divine? Yeah, nope.

You either believe fake Moody has mastered spells Voldemort can't..or you believe Gandalf can resist transmutation. Since he does absolutely nothing to suggest he could resist such a thing, any argument saying he could would rely on "he resists because he is divine".

This needs to be made painfully clear: the only thing the movie LOTR wizards have that is above the powerful HP wizards is..they are tough. Physically tough, that is. That is it.

Seriously it is almost laughable to compare the two. Think about it. What was Gandalf doing when fighting all the orcs? What massively powerful magic did he unleash? Oh..yeah, a bright shiny light. Peter Jackson even said he didn't like the overly powerful wizards with lightning coming out of their fingertips. That Gandalfs magic was subtle. Of course it is also kind of funny with the "I don't like wizards shooting lightning out of their finger tips" since Gandalf blatantly shoots lightning out of a sword at the Balrog. I guess to be fair it wasn't coming from his fingertips.

Oh I forgot he also created a glowing crystal to give them light in the dark. We've literally seen children perform more impressive magic in HP then Gandalf.

Gandalf wins solidly.

Originally posted by Stigma
Gandalf wins solidly.

Tom has superior feats.

tom has more range of magical access = wins

The Gandalf side has conceded the debate to Voldemort.

Voldemort clearly wins.

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Originally posted by Lord Lucien
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