Semptember the 11th

Originally posted by TheKingofKINGS!
Those points are refuted by the actual course of events. Your points are nothing but fictional little crackpot therioes. You fail to be able to understand that you are wrong. You couldn't be more wrong. You just fail at being correct. You're "points" are just impossible, cynical, thoughts, dreamed up by retards with too much time on their hands, like yourself.

I don't need to refute shit, because your "points" refute themselves.

No kid you like your pals darth and Lmm are just so afraid of the truth that you you dont want to hear the truth.the 9-11 commission is fictional and full of crackpot theorys,you fail to understand it because you have been so brainwashed by their lies.the 9-11 commission was the only thing dreamed up by retards which you seem to worship.

again come back when you can actually refute them.till then,go away.

Originally posted by LMM

BTW, I am still waiting for pictures of the 47 main support beams standing more than ten stories above the ground level. Whenever you can send me that. Thank you.

I'm still waiting for a response to my question, you do know that the NIST report does not account for the behavior of the WTC structure?

Instead of looking for what I owe you, take a look at what you owe me, Mr.parker, and all David. You can evade the smoking guns all you want, their always gonna be there until you refute them.

Originally posted by TheKingofKINGS!
I've been researching every available theory on this internet about 9/11, and there's been nothing that could possibly make me believe this was an inside job.
200 plus points mean nothing if those points can be disputed with ease.

Oh, and "reufte" is not a word. So you're just going insane.

And I'm not a selective reader. You make assumptions based on your interpretation of what a person says, rather than it's actual meaning. You're a biased moron. Even if there was undeniable evidence disproving your conspriacy, you'd stand by it like a moron sheep. COme back when you gain intellegence. Failure.

yes you are a selective reader.you proved that by failing to see how darth lies all the times in his posts and not even reading them.the only theorys you obviously been researching is the governments lies,you dont want to hear an aopposing view because you know its the truth.that wikepedai source you gave me is a complete joke with the same old lies. 😆 you dont want to believe it because the truth is too frightening for you to want to believe.you need to look in the mirror when calling someone a moron sheep and gaining some intelligence. 🙄 come back when you have stopped letting the government brainwash you and can think for yourself. 😄

Originally posted by Deano
http://www.bushstole04.com/911_fairy_tale_from_hell.htm

9/11 THE FAIRY TALE FROM HELL

Once upon a time there were 19 Magical Jihadists from a faraway land.
They used itsy-bitsy box cutters to terrify 8 professional airline pilots. These pilots were so terrified of getting a nasty boo-boo they actually let the Magical Jihadists fly 4 commercial aircraft loaded with innocent passengers.
Then the Magical Jihadists chanted a secret verse from their Koran making the planes disappear from all Air Traffic Control monitors.
Now they could fly them all around the mighty USA air defense
system, completely unbothered, for almost 2 hours.
Even the mighty Harry Potter on a magic carpet couldn’t find them!
Pretty cool, huh? You can read the rest of our government’s fantastic modern-day Fairy Tale, (which surpasses Alice In Wonderland for sheer nonsense), by downloadinga copy of the 9-11 Commission’s Official Report. http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/.

But if you no longer believe in childish Fairy Tales and prefer the facts, then read thisbooklet detailing the grotesque truth about what really happened on 9-11. This information has been collected by thousands of regular people, not “Liberals”, not “Bush Haters”, but ordinary patriotic people with nothing to gain, and everything to lose.
CHAPTER ONE: Credible individuals that have come forward to expose the
government’s flimsy lies about the murderous attacks on 9-11, and by so doing; they put their careers, their lives, and their families at grave risk. These are brave actions selflessly taken by truly courageous patriots.
CHAPTER TWO: Twenty-one amazing and shocking facts about the attacks on 9-11 that have never been correctly reported, or just completely ignored by the mainstream media. Some items are outtakes of unguarded and unscripted live interviews and videos occurring immediately after the “attacks”, which were broadcast only once, never to be rebroadcast or discussed again.

another great source to read on what really happened is the book I am reading now.I just checked it out of the library the other day.Its called INSIDE JOB.The author of the book is Jim Marrs.Jim Marrs is an amazing researcher.He was the one that wrote the book CROSSFIRE which was the main source Oliver Stone used to make his movie JFK.The book Crossfire has a tremoudous amount of information that disproves the offical warren commission report that Oswald did it and that it was also an inside job by our own government.Its like 500 pages of documentation and facts that debunk the warren commission.Now he has written INSIDE JOB which also brilliantly illustrates the lies and cover ups by the government in this case as well and that like the warren commission,the 9-11 commission is also a fairy tale.Its a great book.I am halfway finished with it.great read and great book for the beginner getting into it.

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Look how many times CNN pops up, any way, we used the excat same sources yet, yours was better?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
No,You guy's have no credible sources, we've posted: news paper articles,de-classfied documents, official studies, quotes from officials.

And what do you post, wikipedia. what's the point in debating people who resort to bashing and using crappy sources?

200 smoking guns is a joke because you guy's can't refute them, and no one has posted more guns when one is solved ( none of them are solved,btw) instead we simplify them for you.

Like combining a few that deal with the same topic.

exactly.we have posted sources from the mainstream media that you so blindly worship who even they are saying the 9-11 commission is a lie.All you guys do is post the same crap the 9-11 commission has reported which has no proof of their fairy tale storys,or post things from unreliable sources like wikepedia and then go on to say WE have crappy sources and then go on to childish antics criticising someones grammar which is a copout and easy way of avoiding a debate. 🙄

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Sources from wikipedia articles:

great post Ash.Thanks for posting that.Proof that wikepedia is hardly a credible source.all they do is kiss the asses of the government agencys who are propogating the official lie and use the same old lies of George Bush,Dick Cheney,Donald Rumsfield,the 9-11 commission report,ect. Like you said,I as well noticed how many times the governments spokespiece CNN popped up and this is THE KING OF KINGS reliable sources that he uses? 😆 😂 🤣 😆 😆

Originally posted by Mr Parker
great post Ash.Thanks for posting that.Proof that wikepedia is hardly a credible source.all they do is kiss the asses of the government agencys who are propogating the official lie and use the same old lies of George Bush,Dick Cheney,Donald Rumsfield,the 9-11 commission report,ect.and this is THE KING OF KINGS reliable sources that he uses? 😆 😂 🤣 😆 😆

Wait, lemme post our sources.

(ABC, Natl Security Archives)
(TV Guide)
(KC Star)
(USA Today)
(Boston Globe)
(Army)
(Military District of Washington)
(Der Spiegel, Raytheon)
(BBC, Telegraph)
(Guardian, BBC)
(CBS video)
(Connection Newspapers)
(MDW, DC Military)
(9/11 Panel, NYC.gov)
(CBS)
(Ananova)
(Virginian-Pilot, Real Estate Weekly)
(WorldNetDaily, MyFlorida.com),
(Telegraph)
(WorldNetDaily)
(Augusta Chronicle)
(Leatherneck)
(Newsweek)
(SF Chronicle)
(Haaretz, Washington Post)
(Fayetteville Observer)
(Telegraph)
(Washington Post)
(Ananova)
(NY Times)
(NY Magazine)

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Wait, lemme post our sources.

you can do that just by posting the ones david posted earlier.He left and said he left because nobody wanted to bother to even address his points he made and they just went on to say-thats all conspiracy mumbo jumbo blah blah blah.whats hilarious about that is they say its all conspiracy mumbo jumbo when in fact,the sources he posted from were all from writers of the major media sources they blindly worship. 😄 looks like the governments media spokespeople like George Bush and dick cheney according to THEIR logic,are what they been calling alex jones and others - so called crackpot conspiracy theorists. 😆

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Wait, lemme post our sources.

Like I just said,I guess the sources that you just posted from are according to their logic,crackpot conspiracy news media sources? 😆 😆 😂 😆

(NORAD, Toronto Star)

(Aviation Week)

(Newsday, USA Today)

(Boston Globe, USA Today)

(Aviation Week, NY Observer)
(FAA, Time)
(9/11 Panel, Seattle Post)
(C-SPAN)
(WTC-A Modern Marvel, DVD Talk)
(CBS, Washington Times)
(Baltimore Sun, Salon, Front Page)
(Newsday)
(People)
(Forbes, SF Business Times)
(NIST, WNBC, NY Daily)
(ABC video)
(Waste Age)
(Boston Globe, Pittsburg Live)
(CBS)
(Philadelphia Daily News)
(CEE News)
(People)
(NY Times)
(SF Gate)
(CS Monitor)
(NY Times)
(WNBC)
(Chief Engineer)
(CNN)
(September 11: An Oral History)
(People|2)
(Guardian)
(TCM News, TCM News)
(9/11 - The Filmmakers' Edit)
(11 News)
(CBS)
(MSNBC)
(NBC)
(Studio interview)
(News interview)

That was just a few, I'll finish posting the rest another time.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I'm still waiting for a response to my question, you do know that the NIST report does not account for the behavior of the WTC structure?

Instead of looking for what I owe you, take a look at what you owe me, Mr.parker, and all David. You can evade the smoking guns all you want, their always gonna be there until you refute them.

I pasted the series of events that contributed to the collapse of the tower. Nothing in the report mentioned bombs. If you are referring to the claimed "highspeed" collapse. That has been refuted by numerous articles.

If you want to post specific comments included in the NIST report, I will be more than happy to comment on them. If you wish to discuss this with me, then you will need to be specific and stay on one topic at a time. Currently, I am only discussing the collapse of Towers 1 and 2.

There are many points in the 200 Smoking Guns that cannot be refuted. But those points by themselves do not prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that September 11 was a planned demolition.

Originally posted by LMM
I pasted the series of events that contributed to the collapse of the tower. Nothing in the report mentioned bombs. If you are referring to the claimed "highspeed" collapse. That has been refuted by numerous articles.

If you want to post specific comments included in the NIST report, I will be more than happy to comment on them. If you wish to discuss this with me, then you will need to be specific and stay on one topic at a time. Currently, I am only discussing the collapse of Towers 1 and 2.

There are many points in the 200 Smoking Guns that cannot be refuted. But those points by themselves do not prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that September 11 was a planned demolition.

Okay, And I told a million times the NIST does not include an explaination of the structural behavior of WTC, I even quoted a page for you.

(NORAD, Toronto Star)
(Aviation Week)
(Newsday, USA Today)
(Boston Globe, USA Today)
(Aviation Week, NY Observer)
(FAA, Time)
(9/11 Panel, Seattle Post)
(C-SPAN)
(WTC-A Modern Marvel, DVD Talk)
(CBS, Washington Times)
(Baltimore Sun, Salon, Front Page)
(Newsday)
(People)
(Forbes, SF Business Times)
(NIST, WNBC, NY Daily)
(ABC video)
(Waste Age)
(Boston Globe, Pittsburg Live)
(CBS)
(Philadelphia Daily News)
(CEE News)
(People)
(NY Times)
(SF Gate)
(CS Monitor)
(NY Times)
(WNBC)
(Chief Engineer)
(CNN)
(September 11: An Oral History)
(People|2)
(Guardian)
(TCM News, TCM News)
(9/11 - The Filmmakers' Edit)
(11 News)
(CBS)
(MSNBC)
(NBC)
(Studio interview)
(News interview)

Please post the actual articles. Many of the links contained in the 200 Smoking Guns article come up as "Story Not Found," nor can it be found by using the online search function. When Googling the story, only conspiracy theory websites display the article. Obviously, anybody can write a fake news article.

Originally posted by LMM
Please post the actual articles. Many of the links contained in the 200 Smoking Guns article come up as "Story Not Found," nor can it be found by using the online search function. When Googling the story, only conspiracy theory websites display the article. Obviously, anybody can write a fake news article.

please, when I posted the article for the toronto star, and I recieved the full report. I you you neglect a site, that falls on you.

Anyway, there is nothing to debate, you don't offer anything credible to back up your claims.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Okay, And I told a million times the NIST does not include an explaination of the structural behavior of WTC, I even quoted a page for you.

Repost the quote from the article. I cannot find any quote from NIST when searching through this mess.

Originally posted by LMM
Repost the quote from the article. I cannot find any quote from NIST when searching through this mess.

“does not actually include the structural behavior of the tower after the conditions for collapse initiation were reached.” (NIST, 2005, p. 80, fn. 12; )

Here

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
please, when I posted the article for the toronto star, and I recieved the full report. I you you neglect a site, that falls on you.

Anyway, there is nothing to debate, you don't offer anything credible to back up your claims.

That's one out of the many you named. Post ALL the articles and the links to the official source of the article. Don't use titles and media sources as links if the media source does not display the full article.

LMAO. The NIST report is not credible. The FEMA report is not credible. The 9/11 Commission Report is not credible.

Tell me what IS credible. Unnamed "independent investigators?"