Originally posted by Blaxican Hydra
I have looked at the facts, and I have determined that the 9/11 thing was not set up by the government. I am entitled to my own opinion.
all you got to do is visit www.infowars.com and the evidence there is overwhelming that it was set up by our own government.People who try desperately to disprove it but never can like KD are living in denial on the issue because anybody with logic and common sense would look at that site and see the information there and see that it was indeed a government job. 🙄
I just saw something in a magazine somewhere that some think that there was no plane that hit the pentagon. The lawn was not scorn from anything, and the pictures of it show a large explosion, and no plane. Unless the plane is an invisible one (damn arabs), then it might have been some sort of coverup for some sort of reason.
Originally posted by NevermindIt's Day/Month/Year in the UK aswell. 😄
Pfft "9/11". Where I come from it's 11/9 thank you very much. That's a conspiracy right there. Why have to different ways to mark dates? Australia it's Day/Month/Year (which makes sense, it's in ascending order) and the US it's Month/Day/Year (which has no order to it).
Also, we will never know what happened at 9/11 because of all the propaganda.
people like yourself who want to live in a fantasy world and want to blame middle eastern terrorists that did this and dont want to look at the overwhelming evidence that infowars shows that proves it was an inside job make me sick.it was an inside job by the us government,end of story.deal with it. 😛
i would post a link but i'm still thin on postnumbers so the good ol' cut and paste job must do:
For almost three years since 9/11 independent researchers have stockpiled individual smoking guns which prove that the official version of events was not only a lie but operationally impossible.
However, no single smoking gun has yet been forwarded to explain why air defenses categorically reversed Standard Operating Procedure and failed to respond to hijacked jetliners.
Until now. More and more individuals are looking at the facts and highlighting exercise drills that took place on the morning of 9/11.
It is clear that at least five if not six training exercises were in operation in the days leading up to and on the morning of 9/11. This meant that NORAD radar screens showed as many as 22 hijacked airliners at the same time. NORAD had been briefed that this was part of the exercise drill and therefore normal reactive procedure was forestalled and delayed.
The large numbers of 'blips' on NORAD screens that displayed both real and 'drill' hijacked planes explain why confused press reports emerged hours after the attack stating that up to eight planes had been hijacked. Click here for that article.
The drill scenario also explains a comment made by air traffic control personnel which was featured in a July 2004 BBC television report. Click here for that video clip and article. The controller is told that a hijacked airliner is heading for New York and responds by saying, "is this real world or an exercise?"
Alex Jones was one of the first to highlight the wargames in his documentary film 'Masters of Terror', which was released in August 2002. Click here to watch a video clip. Alex explains why the Associated Press later had to admit the fact that the CIA were running drills of crashing planes into buildings on the morning of 9/11.
What were the drills called and what was their nature?
1) OPERATION NORTHERN VIGILANCE: This was planned months in advance of 9/11 and ensured that on the morning of 9/11, jet fighters were removed from patrolling the US east coast and sent to Alaska and Canada, therefore reducing the amount of fighter planes available to protect the east coast.
2) BIOWARFARE EXERCISE TRIPOD II: Alex Jones first reported on this back in May when Rudolph Giuliani let the details of it slip in his testimony to the 9/11 Commission. FEMA arrived in New York on September 10th to set up a command post located at Pier 29 under the auspices of a 'biowarfare exercise scheduled for September 12. This explains why Tom Kenney of FEMA's National Urban Search and Rescue Team, told Dan Rather of CBS News that FEMA had arrived in New York on the night of September 10th. This was originally dismissed as a slip of the tongue. Giuliani was to use this post as a command post on 9/11 after he evacuated WTC Building 7. As we reported back in January, Giuliani knew when to leave WTC 7 because he got advanced warning that the Trade Towers were about to collapse. "We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse," Rudolph Giuliani told Peter Jennings of ABC News. How did Giuliani know the towers were about to collapse when no steel building in history had previously collapsed from fire damage?
3) OPERATION VIGILANT GUARDIAN: This exercise simulated hijacked planes in the north eastern sector and started to coincide with 9/11. Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins, NORAD unit's airborne control and warning officer, was overseeing the exercise. At 8:40am she took a call from Boston Center which said it had a hijacked airliner. Her first words, as quoted by Newhouse News Service were, "It must be part of the exercise." This is another example of how the numerous drills on the morning of 9/11 deliberately distracted NORAD so that the real hijacked planes couldn't be intercepted in time.
4) OPERATION NORTHERN GUARDIAN: The details of this exercise are still scant but it is considered to be part of Vigilant Guardian, relating to simulating hijacked planes in the north eastern sector.
5) OPERATION VIGILANT WARRIOR: This was referenced in Richard Clarke's book 'Against All Enemies'. It is thought to have been the 'attack' component of the Vigilant Guardian exercise.
Another example of how air defenses were purposefully kept preoccupied so they couldn't protect New York was reported by this website in December of 2003. The Air National Guard's 177th Fighter Wing, based at Atlantic City International Airport in Pomona, were just eight minutes away from New York and could have intercepted both Flight 11 and Flight 175.
Under NORAD procedures that date to the Cold War, two F-16 fighters from the 177th were parked around the clock on the Atlantic City runway. Pilots waited in a nearby building, ready to scramble.
But on the morning of 9/11, the F-16's were performing bombing runs over an empty stretch of the Pine Barrens near Atlantic City after being decommissioned from their usual role of protecting the skies of the east coast.
It was only after both trade towers were hit that the two F-16s landed and were refitted with air-to-air missiles, then sent aloft.
Now that we have established how NORAD were confused, delayed and distracted by the numerous wargames, the next question to ask is who if anyone was aware of which planes were 'real world' and which planes were 'exercise'? The answer to this question will provide us with the name of the individual who ran the operatonal execution of the 9/11 attack.
Dick Cheney.
Cheney was initially taken by the secret service to an underground bunker in the White House called the Presidential Emergency Operations Center.
From there, according to CNN, Cheney directed the US government's response to the unfolding attack.
Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta was in the Presidential Emergency Operating Center with Vice President Cheney as Flight 77 approached Washington, D.C. On May 23, 2003 in front of the 9/11 Commission, Secretary Mineta testified:
"During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, "The plane is 50 miles out." "The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to "the plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the Vice President, "Do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"
As the plane in question hit the Pentagon, what else can we conclude but that the 'order' was not to shoot down the aircraft and to let it find its target.
Mineta stated that he did not know what the 'order' was because he wasn't there when it was made.
After the Pentagon was hit, Cheney was transfered to another bunker in what the Philadelphia Daily News describes as 'the underground Pentagon'.
Site R, a highly secure complex of buildings inside Raven Rock Mountain near Blue Ridge Summit, Pa., close to the Maryland-Pennsylvania state line and about seven miles north of Camp David, is a 53-year-old facility conceived at the start of the Cold War as an alternate command center in the event of nuclear war or an attack on Washington.
The bunker is built into a mountain hillside and is virtually camouflaged to the naked eye. The location betrays itself by the vast gaggle of satellites, microwave towers and antennae that festoon the perimeter. Inside the facility there are computer filled caverns and communication and tracking technology that would put a James Bond movie to shame.
The entire facility is guarded by heavily armed military police.
Within hours of 9/11 unfolding, five choppers had landed on the facility's helipad and top officials such as Paul Wolfowitz were ushered in to join Cheney in the command bunker.
Site R - also known as Raven Rock or the Alternate Joint Communications Center is from where vice-President Dick Cheney ran the aftermath of the 9/11 attack. Cheney's command superceded the orders of the Pentagon, the FAA or the White House. He is the number one suspect in the murder of nearly 3,000 innocent people.
In May of 2001, by presidential order, Cheney was handed direct control of all wargame and drill operations. This meant he was solely in charge of the overlapping NORAD drills and wargames on the morning of 9/11, that prevented Standard Operating Procedure from being implemented, and any of the hijacked planes being intercepted.
The smoking guns of 9/11 are no longer disparate jigsaw pieces that serve to just raise more questions than they answer. We now have a coherent and plausible explanation of how the events unfolded, why there was no air defense response, and a prime suspect as to who executed these actions. The facts fit this version of events.
The 9/11 truth movement has just taken a giant leap towards dismantling the lies of September 11and finally offering justice for those who lost their lives on that terrible day.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
people like yourself who want to live in a fantasy world and want to blame middle eastern terrorists that did this and dont want to look at the overwhelming evidence that infowars shows that proves it was an inside job make me sick.it was an inside job by the us government,end of story.deal with it. 😛
That "evidence" as you call it, is mostly a bunch of crap, we wern't prepared for these attacks, and are still not in many areas, are you even a US citizen?
yes I am and thats only because you want to ignore the evidence.We were not prepared because that nazi Bush and that other Nazi attorney general John Ashcroft threatened FBI agents with arrest if they tried to stop the attacks when they came to them with evidence they had that there was going to be terrorists attacks against the world trade center.It was clearly an inside job by the government because the CIA trained and funded the terrorists attacks.Bush never had any intention of wanting to try to prevent the attacks from happening.after all Daddy Bush was the former director of the CIA,he didnt want to go against daddys wishes who loves the kind of activities the CIA does. Are you really that dense about how evil the Bush crime family is? 🙄 the only evidence that is crap is the governments evidence. 😛 stop living in denial and face the music. 😄
Originally posted by LMM
Funny how some idiot douchebags half a world away know more about what happened in New York on September 11th than the people who live in New York.
you mean like the firefighters who went into the buidling who said they have put out fires before were explosives were set off to buildings who know what explosives sound like and swore they heard explosives going off in the builiding? I will take the word over firefighters experienced in those kinds of things over internet geeks who choose to ignore evidence.
By saying the Bush family are Nazis and a Crime Family, you have lost any little credibility you once had, I'm sure your just some Lib trying to make the President look bad, go figure 😬
As to Firefighters saying that they heard explosives, the building was falling down, a Plane just hit it, and it was on fire, there would be explosions going off, the "overwhelming evidence" is no doubt from Michael Moores "documentry" right?
No its from Alex Jones video Martial Law which you can purchase from his website infowars.com. where the firemen are saying that. Jones is the one I mentioned who has intereviewed those FBI agents who went to Bush warning him there were going to be terrorists attacks against the trade center and Bush threatened them with arrest if he tried to stop them.Jones does amazing good work and research. Michael Moores documentary is very well done,your living in denial on that though because the truth frightens you which is really sad.again FIRE does not melt steal,how hard is that for you to comprehend? thats the governments fairy tale version on why it collapsed. the fire would not cause the building to collapse and it SHOULD have toppled over sideways.this has all been said by independent investigaters who are structural experts.thats why they set off the explosives so it would NOT topple over sideways.the explosives would not have reached the bottom floors the firemen heard them from either,duh.No I have not lost my credibility,your just living in denial and afraid of the truth like all people are who deny this issue about the world trade center.you have lost YOUR credibility though with your false assumptions you make about me being a lib trying to make the president look bad though because people who know me around here no until Bush jr came along,I considered Clinton the most evil corrupted president the united states ever had.If you ever bothered to go to the library and do any research on the Bush family,you would find books out there that document that about the Bushs.Bush sr's dad,Prescott Bush helped put Hitler into power and had intelligence ties to the OSS which precedented the CIA.Bush Sr was the former director of the CIA before he became president,he was also the former ambassador to the U.N before he became president. The Bush family is very evil.They are a big crime family. As far as Clinton,just to show you I hate him equally as much.while governor of arkansas,he allowed the CIA to smuggle drugs into the Mena arkansas airport in exchange for weapons to be flown out of nicaragua.Thats why we had the Iran contra scandal that in case you did not know,had a colonel named Oliver North on the tv every day for like a year talking about his involvement when the plane crashed into nicaragua and they could not cover up the scandal anymore when the media arrived and filmed it all.the Iran contra scandal presided 3 presidents Reagan,Bush and Clinton,they ALL had knowledge of it.all you go to to do is do a google search on the men arkansas scandal.Clinton has a body count in the hundreds of people that have died under mysterious circumstances who knew about his criminal activites while governor of arkansas. Bush is not much worse than Clinton is.Not trying to make Bush or clinton look back,just stating facts.But since the truth about Bush frightens you too much,then your not worth the effort explaining it to since you dont want to learn.