Again, there were other things that burned, the Jet Fuel only started the Fire, also, watch the Videos, if you look at the way the building fell, it couldn't have been from explosives.
The fire was only what finally broke(using that metaphorically) the Structure, after there was a Hole in it, the building came down because the Floors could not hold 1000X what they should have held, after the Structure around where the Plane hit finally gave
Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Again, there were other things that burned, the Jet Fuel only started the Fire, also, watch the Videos, if you look at the way the building fell, it couldn't have been from explosives
I never said it fell from explosives, and fire NEEDS oxygen to live. let alone reach tempertures to melt steel, how did it reach tempertures that onlyfire fuel by bottled oxygen reached, and how much jet fuel was in that plane for it to melt 200,000 of carbon steel?
Originally posted by Darth KreigerThe fire was only what finally broke(using that metaphorically) the Structure, after there was a Hole in it, the building came down because the Floors could not hold 1000X what they should have held, after the Structure around where the Plane hit finally gave
How did the fire destroy the structure, if jet fuel can't reach those tempertures neceessary to melt steel?
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarWell, one way of that occuring is slowly melting a part of the structure, causing the above floor to collaspe of the one floor. Then, the weight of the original floor and the above floor, and other pancaking floors caused it to collaspe.
I never said it fell from explosives, and fire [B] NEEDS oxygen to live. let alone reach tempertures to melt steel, how did it reach tempertures that onlyfire fuel by bottled oxygen reached, and how much jet fuel was in that plane for it to melt 200,000 of carbon steel?How did the fire destroy the structure, if jet fuel can't reach those tempertures neceessary to melt steel? [/B]
But I don't know. I was neither there, nor am I an engenieer. So I have no way of actually knowing, that's just a theory (not made by me) that I support.
Oh sorry, you thought it was a Nuclear Device(I'll say how thats Impossible in a moment), that was Parker.....
Again, the Jet Fuel only started the Fire, the rest was done by what is in the building, Furniture, Desks, anything else in the Offices. The Fire did not need to last the whole time, there was probably more than enough Oxygen to do what was needed to strengthen the Fire, with everything there was to burn. With the Structure weakened, pressure would build up on it, and it would eevntually collapse
Originally posted by TheKingofKINGS!
Well, one way of that occuring is slowly melting a part of the structure, causing the above floor to collaspe of the one floor. Then, the weight of the original floor and the above floor, and other pancaking floors caused it to collaspe.
But jet fuel can't melt steel, it doesn't reach the tempertures to melt it.
Originally posted by Darth KreigerAgain, the Jet Fuel only started the Fire, the rest was done by what is in the building, Furniture, Desks, anything else in the Offices. The Fire did not need to last the whole time, there was probably more than enough Oxygen to do what was needed to strengthen the Fire, with everything there was to burn. With the Structure weakened, pressure would build up on it, and it would eevntually collapse
Sigh, again,jet fuel doesn't not reach steels melting point.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
But jet fuel can't melt steel, it doesn't reach the tempertures to melt it.
Ugh, I already said it was not the Jet Fuel that ultimately did the building in, the Fire burned everything on the Floors it was on, the Jet Fuel didn't need to last, only to start the fire
I'm not even sure what you're getting at
Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Ugh, I already said it was not the Jet Fuel that ultimately did the building in, the Fire burned everything on the Floors it was on, the Jet Fuel didn't need to last, only to start the fireI'm not even sure what you're getting at
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarThat's true, but in this extinuating corcimstance, there were many things to burn, aside from jet fuel. After a while, the fire's source wasn't jetfuel, it was paper, furniture, etc. And I'm sure that computers that were burned could have supplied some very small explosions, giving it extra heat.
It was a petroleum fire, there is a difference. And no steel building has ever feel to fire, plus your oxygen theory has a hole, if there was so much combustible material, their would be tons of carbon dioxide killing the fire. Again, fire ignited by jet fuel generally dies fast.
Originally posted by TheKingofKINGS!
That's true, but in this extinuating corcimstance, there were many things to burn, aside from jet fuel. After a while, the fire's source wasn't jetfuel, it was paper, furniture, etc. And I'm sure that computers that were burned could have supplied some very small explosions, giving it extra heat.
Actually the fires source was jet fuel, the plane exploded, resulting in a fire. Computers exploding caused the fire to reach steel melting tempertures?! 😕
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarI didn't say that was the main cause. I just said, it was possible that they could have aided in adding heat.
Actually the fires source was jet fuel, the plane exploded, resulting in a fire. Computers exploding caused the fire to reach steel melting tempertures?! 😕
Ashtar, I'm not sure what your point is, the buildings obviously didn't come down due to explosives or any other Conspiracy Theorist reason. The Fire is capable of weakening the Structure, it started by the Jet Fuel igniting, which in turn spread onto other things again, like Furniture, Desks, and Computers, allowing it to continue burning, the Fire could have gone up in Temperature, and then after it dies out, the Structure is left weakened, there is a lot of stress on the Supports, they finally break, and the top above the Hole falls down, thus increasing weight on each floor as it falls, until it hits the Ground
Originally posted by TheKingofKINGS!
An explosion could increase heat/fire power.
Originally posted by TheKingofKINGS!
It's just science.......
TKOK, this isn't a credible argument, you can't just post a few words and expect them to stand up against any argument, it makes your argument look weak and needy, try to elaborate and be more constructive,
NOW, if we examine what Kreiger says we will note that he doesn't use the word MELT anywhere, he says that the fire- jet fuel, burning furniture, electrical objects exploding say,- was strong enough to weaken the supports which where, improperly fire proofed, and so, the supports which were weakened at a certain point could not support the weight put upon them and the building fell, top, to bottom.
Here's an intresting experiment
Fill a large steel pot with a few bricks so it weighs twenty pounds or so, then put it on a grill composed of two hundred wires from wire coat hangers. Have 160 of the wires on the outside but have 40 wires on the interior also supporting the grill. Put a wire and asbestos pad on top of the wires to act as a floor. Now, cut twenty of the outside wires on one side, ten on the inside on the same side and build a pyre out of sticks and newspaper under the pot, soak it with some kerosene then light it. Now see what happens.
Okay as I mentioned in an earlier post Jim Marrs who wrote the book Crossfire-the plot that killed kennedy. and the book that which stone used to write most of the story for the movie-I can understand why because I have read several dozen books on the topic and Marrs book is the best to have covered it of all those books IMO.In that book Crossfire,Marrs totally shreads to pieces the warren commission and points out all the lies and inconsistancies of it and how anybody who had a story different from the official version,their story was ignored and the commission did not want to hear it.He goes on to report how they threatened and harrassed witnesses to go along with the official version,some of them which I have met over the years.He shows proof that it was as well an inside job by the government with overwhelming proof.Like I said earlier,Marrs has also written a book called INSIDE JOB. Which I am halfway finished reading through and he has overwhelming proof as well in that book that it was an inside job that the government was behind it all,-how the CIA AND FBI totally ignored several reports from several different sources with knowledge that there were going to be terrorist attacks against the trade center.He goes on to show that the CIA is pals with OSAMA BIN LADEN-all of which I will post for everybody to see next saturday when i have more time on my hands.Like I said,today I dont have that time to post it and tomorrow the workweek starts so I will for sure post it here next saturday.Marrs talks about it in the beginning of his book how he tried to get his book published back in 2002 but the government suppressed it and he could not find another book publishing company willing to post it till 2004.Knowing how the government did such a great job of suppressing books of being published that went against the warren commission over the years,thats pretty easy to believe.