Semptember the 11th

Deano, i've noticed that throughout this entire thread your arguements have been riddled with irrelevancy, lack of logic, and an avoidance of the use of any actual facts or support for your claims. whenever someone makes an attack on your views, you respond by either calling them an idiot, attributing it to a mood swing, or offering a counterargument to a point that was not even mentioned in the first place.

Originally posted by Deano
well i suggest you dont post videos(no matter what they are meant for) when you obviousnly havent the facts straight. its just stupid. you make reference to an idiot called warren who likes to rant all day on you tube. its pure ignorance. i didnt mean to be rude but i was is a very bad mood already and seeing little videos that make no sense whatsover just sent me over the edge

you see, your attack on the video was defended by someone who explained its purpose, then explained why your attacks were invalid. you responded by calling him an idiot, calling the video stupid, and accusing it of being factually incorrect. however, you successfully avoided making any reference to what was incorrect about it or in what way it was "stupid," except for that warren (who also is apparently an idiot, and probably a poopy-head too) likes to rant all day and put you in a bad mood. you then finish up by blaming all the sense you didnt make on the fact that you were in a bad mood and are especially susceptible to small nuances, such as satirical videos that have the gall to disagree with you.

congratulations, your method of argumentation has succeeded both in insulting the intelligence of your dissenters and in taking a nice, steamy dump on the chest of logic itself

I think I love you.

He has missed out on a lot though.

Deano calls those who disagree with him: sheep and government lovers. Despite the fact that he supports Osama Bin Laden over the government, way to side with the terrorists.

He also seems to forget what he himself has posted, and KharmaDog can confirm supplying the evidence that faster than you can blink. Also, Deano never posts A References, Evidence, other people who share the same views or his own opinion (something a real debator would do). He instead spams up the place and refuses to watch one simple video because he knows it'll make him shut up. Infact the video says "Show this to any 9/11 denier spammer and they'll shut up for good." and he knows he's a spammer and will shut up if he watches the video, so he merely lies by saying he's already watched it and thinks it's stupid. He's afraid of the truth. Oh the irony.

Originally posted by donttalktochris
Deano wrote:

1: i do know how to spell. just because if i make a mistakr and i dont correct it straight after, doesnt mean i dont know how to spell. so shut it. sorry i didnt put the ' in didnt.

2: whats my spelling got to do with anything? cant you say anything else? i CHOOSE not to correct or make perfect grammer. its just a way for to type quicker. what, cant you understand me?

3: i can give suggestions if i want. especially to a ignorant poster who is (without knowing it) disrespecting the people who died in 911 because of being an ignorant fool.

4: well when our freedoms are being deliberatly taken away, and thousands of our kids are dying in iraq(that includes the iraqi's) for no other reason than to those sick individuals power , then yeh it gets me pissed off when some ignorant person goes to the effort of posting stupid videos on youtube. i take this stuff very seriously and when people dont have the facts straight it gets me mad. sorry. and i find it hilarious that you call 9/11 'conspiracy of the week'

go home now please. and post some more ignorant videos. but don't post them on here anymore please. although you can if you want to. freedom of choice and all. enjoy it while you can.
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Apparently there are a few things you're unaware of (other than concepts of common decency), such as the fact that this language and its rules were created for a reason - a reason which you are destroying for what, ease of typing? Make a few sacrifices in order to be understood or people will just ignore you (maybe I shouldn't give you this advice, because people SHOULD ignore you). The quality of your typed messages SHOULD reflect your intelligence, and since you consider yourself a bit of a genius, let your words show it rather than contradict it.

Disrespecting people who died on 9/11? Every single person who looks to capitalize on the "big, massive government coverup" about that day is disrespecting them. Trying to use a nonexistent conspiracy in order to further one's own politics is just as bad as what the conspirators themselves would have done if such nonsense were true.

I've got a conspiracy for you:
Some bad guys - you know, those terrorists who you love and respect so much more than your own countrymen - what they did is they hijacked some planes. And once they had control of them, you're not going to believe what they did! They flew them into some buildings! How crazy is that?!

Finally - I never posted a single video on this site. It was your silly, conspiracy-obsessed self who watched it and decided to start calling names.

Now you say I don't have the facts straight. You provide me with a list of FACTS that prove that 9/11 was a government coverup. FACTS. Not Dylan Avery twists and lies. FACTS. Instead of being a COMPLETE moron, try being an intelligent one for a change. Bring the facts, oh mighty genius.

i wont even comment. in all those words you babble on irrelevantly about grammar and you say things like 'you respect terrorists'

your're an idiot

Originally posted by lord xyz
He has missed out on a lot though.

Deano calls those who disagree with him: sheep and government lovers. Despite the fact that he supports Osama Bin Laden over the government, way to side with the terrorists.

He also seems to forget what he himself has posted, and KharmaDog can confirm supplying the evidence that faster than you can blink. Also, Deano never posts A References, Evidence, other people who share the same views or his own opinion (something a real debator would do). He instead spams up the place and refuses to watch one simple video because he knows it'll make him shut up. Infact the video says "Show this to any 9/11 denier spammer and they'll shut up for good." and he knows he's a spammer and will shut up if he watches the video, so he merely lies by saying he's already watched it and thinks it's stupid. He's afraid of the truth. Oh the irony.

ive never heard such complete rubbish, ive posted many referances in the past. its annoying having to find them again for uninformed ignorant human beings.

Originally posted by Spartan005
Deano, i've noticed that throughout this entire thread your arguements have been riddled with irrelevancy, lack of logic, and an avoidance of the use of any actual facts or support for your claims. whenever someone makes an attack on your views, you respond by either calling them an idiot, attributing it to a mood swing, or offering a counterargument to a point that was not even mentioned in the first place.

you see, your attack on the video was defended by someone who explained its purpose, then explained why your attacks were invalid. you responded by calling him an idiot, calling the video stupid, and accusing it of being factually incorrect. however, you successfully avoided making any reference to what was incorrect about it or in what way it was "stupid," except for that warren (who also is apparently an idiot, and probably a poopy-head too) likes to rant all day and put you in a bad mood. you then finish up by blaming all the sense you didnt make on the fact that you were in a bad mood and are especially susceptible to small nuances, such as satirical videos that have the gall to disagree with you.

congratulations, your method of argumentation has succeeded both in insulting the intelligence of your dissenters and in taking a nice, steamy dump on the chest of logic itself

well its purpose was rubbish and didnt explain nothing. only ignorance. he didnt make an attack on my views personally did he? no. i was making a point that the video was a load of rubbish. my opinion,deal with it. all the rest of your post his horsecrap. if you want to argue about something, then argue about something that matters. i'll discuss 9/11 with anyway who wants to discuss it fairly.

Deano wrote:

i wont even comment. in all those words you babble on irrelevantly about grammar and you say things like 'you respect terrorists'

your're an idiot
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If you ever wonder why no one takes you seriously, why people write you off as ignorant from the start - see the above comment.

I'm through with you. You've proved my point better than I ever could have.

Originally posted by Spartan005
Deano, i've noticed that throughout this entire thread your arguements have been riddled with irrelevancy, lack of logic, and an avoidance of the use of any actual facts or support for your claims. whenever someone makes an attack on your views, you respond by either calling them an idiot, attributing it to a mood swing, or offering a counterargument to a point that was not even mentioned in the first place.

you see, your attack on the video was defended by someone who explained its purpose, then explained why your attacks were invalid. you responded by calling him an idiot, calling the video stupid, and accusing it of being factually incorrect. however, you successfully avoided making any reference to what was incorrect about it or in what way it was "stupid," except for that warren (who also is apparently an idiot, and probably a poopy-head too) likes to rant all day and put you in a bad mood. you then finish up by blaming all the sense you didnt make on the fact that you were in a bad mood and are especially susceptible to small nuances, such as satirical videos that have the gall to disagree with you.

congratulations, your method of argumentation has succeeded both in insulting the intelligence of your dissenters and in taking a nice, steamy dump on the chest of logic itself

Originally posted by Deano
well its purpose was rubbish and didnt explain nothing. only ignorance. he didnt make an attack on my views personally did he? no. i was making a point that the video was a load of rubbish. my opinion,deal with it. all the rest of your post his horsecrap. if you want to argue about something, then argue about something that matters. i'll discuss 9/11 with anyway who wants to discuss it fairly.

Thank you for undeniably proving my point.

Originally posted by donttalktochris
Deano wrote:

i wont even comment. in all those words you babble on irrelevantly about grammar and you say things like 'you respect terrorists'

your're an idiot
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If you ever wonder why no one takes you seriously, why people write you off as ignorant from the start - see the above comment.

I'm through with you. You've proved my point better than I ever could have.

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"especially to a ignorant poster who is (without knowing it) disrespecting the people who died in 911 because of being an ignorant fool."

This was taken from his third point. I cannot understand it, nor do I know what it is refering to.

"ive never heard such complete rubbish, ive posted many referances in the past. its annoying having to find them again for uninformed ignorant human beings."

You don't have to find them. After you've copy and pasted text, go back to the original page [Hint: It will be the one with highlighted text on it], if you have firefox, press F6 or alternatively click in the address bar, Ctrl+C, go to the forum reply box where you pasted the other text and click at the bottom of the box after the text, Enter, Ctrl+V.

Simple method of referencing. There are advanced methods aswell, but this one is just as acceptable.

Also, how am I ignorant? I've listened to everything you've addressed to me. This is not ignorant. I have to wait days for your replies though. How come?

just because i copy and paste doesnt mean that 9/11 wasnt commited by the people controlling the government does it? thats what you seem to be saying. dont take my word for it. i just post information that is relavent to the topic. take it or leave it.

wake up please. for humanitys sake.

and days for your replies you say? when?

Originally posted by Deano
i wont even comment. in all those words you babble on irrelevantly about grammar and you say things like 'you respect terrorists'

your're an idiot

Congrats, you've made yourself look like a person with the common sense and dignity of Peter Griffin. Does that tell you anything? You're drowning here, from an outstander's point of view, and dragging nonsensical points out of your ass.

Originally posted by Deano
ive never heard such complete rubbish, ive posted many referances in the past. its annoying having to find them again for uninformed ignorant human beings.

Laziness is absolutely no excuse. If you do take this debate or indeed any debate seriously, you will bring points up again and references as well as needed.

"Uninformed". You have done absolutely nothing so far to prove that you are informed. Have you any proof or irrefutable evidence that the attack was perpetrated by someone or some organization other than Al Queda?

Originally posted by Deano
well its purpose was rubbish and didnt explain nothing. only ignorance. he didnt make an attack on my views personally did he? no. i was making a point that the video was a load of rubbish. my opinion,deal with it. all the rest of your post his horsecrap. if you want to argue about something, then argue about something that matters. i'll discuss 9/11 with anyway who wants to discuss it fairly.

Ridiculous.

Exactly, he didn't attack your views on the situation personally but only your response to the situation. He owned you left right, and centre in that regard. You keep rambling on about how it's all "horsecrap"; have you clearly stated why or backed it up? No.

Hahahaha, your "opinion". You didn't just say that the video was a load of rubbish, you snobbishly regarded the maker as an ignorant prick, which appears to have sparked some moodiness here. If everyone's "opinion" was expressed as freely as yours with no consideration, then Oprah would have been sued for about $500 Billion by now.

Originally posted by Deano
just because i copy and paste doesnt mean that 9/11 wasnt commited by the people controlling the government does it? thats what you seem to be saying. dont take my word for it. i just post information that is relavent to the topic. take it or leave it.

wake up please. for humanitys sake.

and days for your replies you say? when?

To be honest with you, you in no way post information relevant to the topic at hand. For the most part, your replies avoid the argument at hand completely; you resort to calling people "ignorant" because they do not agree with you, or the crackpot theories you propose.

To any post that logically and coherently defies your own logic and/or point, you simply back away, hiding behind claims that the person is "ignorant" and "uninformed."

You have yet to make a solid argument against any rebuttals put forth against your ideals, or, in that case, against your so-called "proof."

you two have obviously missed my posts over the years. i dont intend to respond to trolls who only objective is to take the piss. you two wont argue the case but keep deliberatly diverting the attention away from the topic to attack me. well done. smart move

if you want to stay on topic then do so. if not then dont post again.

Originally posted by Deano
you two have obviously missed my posts over the years. i dont intend to respond to trolls who only objective is to take the piss.

The answer is yes, it would be. Do you? No. You show no consideration towards people on the other side of the hill whatsoever, dismissing everything without so much as a reason why and you're now complaining about us being off topic. That's rich.

Originally posted by Deano
you two wont argue the case but keep deliberatly diverting the attention away from the topic to attack me. well done. smart move

Originally posted by Deano
if you want to stay on topic then do so. if not then dont post again.

Originally posted by Deano
you two have obviously missed my posts over the years. i dont intend to respond to trolls who only objective is to take the piss. you two wont argue the case but keep deliberatly diverting the attention away from the topic to attack me. well done. smart move

if you want to stay on topic then do so. if not then dont post again.

You have done a great job in this particular post of describing yourself. You divert discussion away from the topic at hand, resorting to personal attacks to hide the fact that you have no argument.

Originally posted by lord xyz
He also seems to forget what he himself has posted, and KharmaDog can confirm supplying the evidence that faster than you can blink.

Originally posted by Deano
ive never heard such complete rubbish, ive posted many referances in the past. its annoying having to find them again for uninformed ignorant human beings.

Deano, are you gonna make me go back into the many, many, many times that you posted false statements, distorted information, outright lies and shakey sources?

You have used resources that have been shown to knowingly distort quotes from eyewitnesses and firemen who were at ground zero.

More than one poster, myself included, has provided links that blow away any of your theories in a calculated scientific, architectural and common sense manner.

It has been shown that some of your resources are certifiably insane (the whole general spoonbender incident).

It has come to light that you post information that you yourself have not researched at all in order to try and support your arguments.

It has become such a ridiculous pattern that not only am I sick of it, but it seems everyone else (other than your girlfriend Mrs. Parker) is also.

Originally posted by DarkC
To tell you the truth here, you're acting like more of a troll. After being presented reasonable evidence and arguments you simply dismiss them as "ignorant crap". Would it not be prudent to at least give them a reason why?

The answer is yes, it would be. Do you? No. You show no consideration towards people on the other side of the hill whatsoever, dismissing everything without so much as a reason why and you're now complaining about us being off topic. That's rich.

It's a little ironic coming from you considering that you were the one who deigned to call donttalktochris an ignorant prick in the first place. You've been given plenty of chances to present your arguments and points. Have you? No. Try not to be such a hypocrite.

Interestingly enough, the very same thing can be said about you. Touche.

nah ive posted in the other thread for you. debate if you will. or run away. dont act like im the bad guy who insults others. i can show you a million times where people have been rude to me. so dont start that crap. thank you

and kharma am i going to have to go back into the many many many times you posted false statements, distorted information, outright lies and shakey sources? you believe the government version of events. NUFF SAID.

nah ive posted in the other thread for you.

debate if you will. or run away.

dont act like im the bad guy who insults others.

i can show you a million times where people have been rude to me. so dont start that crap. thank you

Originally posted by Deano
and kharma am i going to have to go back into the many many many times you posted false statements, distorted information, outright lies and shakey sources? you believe the government version of events. NUFF SAID.

Please do. Please post any false statements or distorted information or outright lies that I have posted. PLease also (as I do when I call you on your bullsh*t) back your argument up with solid information.

I look forward to you doing this. But there better be:
A/ a few examples
B/ no backing your arguments up from conspiracy websites
C/ direct references and quotes from me with no creative editing.
D/ an effort to show the validity or lack of credibility of both my sources and the sources you choose to back your info up.

I wager that you back down or fail to make a good case.

*snort* He just backed up one of his arguments in "Screw Loose Change" with a government paranoia website.

Originally posted by Deano
just because i copy and paste doesnt mean that 9/11 wasnt commited by the people controlling the government does it? thats what you seem to be saying. dont take my word for it. i just post information that is relavent to the topic. take it or leave it.

wake up please. for humanitys sake.

and days for your replies you say? when?

First responder accounts:
1. We walked over by number Seven World Trade Center as it was burning and saw this 40-plus story building with fire on nearly all floors. –FDNY Lieutenant Robert LaRocca
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110081.PDF

2. ...Just when you thought it was over, you're walking by this building and you're hearing this building creak and fully involved in flames. It's like, is it coming down next? Sure enough, about a half an hour later it came down. –FDNY Lieutenant James McGlynn
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110447.PDF

3. I walked out and I got to Vesey and West, where I reported to Frank [Cruthers]. He said, we’re moving the command post over this way, that building’s coming down. At this point, the fire was going virtually on every floor, heavy fire and smoke that really wasn’t bothering us when we were searching because it was being pushed southeast and we were a little bit west of that. I remember standing just where West and Vesey start to rise toward the entrance we were using in the World Financial Center. There were a couple of guys standing with me and a couple of guys right at the intersection, and we were trying to back them up – and here goes 7. It started to come down and now people were starting to run. –FDNY Deputy Chief Nick Visconti http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/visconti.html

4. All morning I was watching 7 World Trade burn, which we couldn't do anything about because it was so much chaos looking for missing members. –Firefighter Marcel Klaes http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110018.PDF

5. When the building came down it was completely involved in fire, all forty-seven stories. –FDNY Assistant Chief Harry Myers (Smith, Dennis, 2002. Report From Ground Zero: The Heroic Story of the Rescuers at the World Trade Center. New York: Penguin Putnam. p. 160)

6. The concern there again, it was later in the afternoon, 2, 2:30, like I said. The fear then was Seven. Seven was free burning. Search had been made of 7 already from what they said so they had us back up to that point where we were waiting for 7 to come down to operate from the north back down. –Captain Robert Sohmer http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110472.PDF

7. Then we had to move because the Duane Reade, they said, wasn't safe because building 7 was really roaring. –FDNY Chief Medical Officer Kerry Kelly. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...IC/9110207.PDF

8. At this point Seven World Trade was going heavy, and they weren't letting anybody get too close. Everybody was expecting that to come down. –Firefighter Vincent Massa
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110222.PDF

9. Chief Cruthers told me that they had formed another command post up on Chambers Street. At this point there were a couple of floors burning on Seven World Trade Center. Chief McNally wanted to try and put that fire out, and he was trying to coordinate with the command post up on Chambers Street. This is after searching for a while. He had me running back and forth trying to get companies to go into Seven World Trade Center. His radio didn't seem to be working right either because he had me relaying information back and forth and Chief Cruthers had me --

Q. So everything was face-to-face? Nothing was by radio?

A. Yeah, and it was really in disarray. It really was in complete disarray. We never really got an operation going at Seven World Trade Center. –FDNY Captain Michael Donovan http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...IC/9110205.PDF

10. Building #7 was still actively burning and at that time we were advised by a NYFD Chief that building #7 was burning out of control and imminent collapse was probable. –PAPD P.O. Edward McQuade http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-police-reports02.pdf page 48.

11. At Vesey St. and West St., I could see that 7 WTC was ablaze and damaged, along with other buildings. –M. DeFilippis, PAPD P.O. http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-...-reports03.pdf page 49
[Note: the fires in 7 were probably not mainly due to damage from the south tower, but from the north.]

12. So yeah then we just stayed on Vesey until building Seven came down. There was nothing we could do. The flames were coming out of every window of that building from the explosion of the south tower. So then building Seven came down. When that started coming down you heard that pancaking sound again everyone jumped up and starts.

Q: Why was building Seven on fire? Was that flaming debris from tower two, from tower two that fell onto that build-ing and lit it on fire?

A: Correct. Because it really got going, that building Seven, saw it late in the day and like the first Seven floors were on fire. It looked like heavy fire on seven floors. It was fully engulfed, that whole building. There were pieces of tower two [sic: he probably means tower one] in building Seven and the corners of the building missing and what-not. But just looking up at it from ground level however many stories -- it was 40 some odd -- you could see the flames going straight through from one side of the building to the other, that’s an entire block. –Firefighter Tiernach Cassidy
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110413.PDF