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It gets better. Their practical training had allegedly been limited to Cessnas and flight simulators, but this was no barrier to the unflinching certainty with which they took over the planes and skillfully guided them to their doom. If they are supposed to have done their flight training with these tools, which would be available just about anywhere in the world, its not clear why they would have decided to risk blowing their cover to US intelligence services by doing the training in Florida, rather than somewhere in the Middle East, but such reasoning is foreign to the foggy world of the conspiracy theorist, too trapped in the constant rotation of the mental fruit loop to make their unsubstantiated fabrications seem even semi-believable.

Having triumphantly established a circular delusion in support of the mythical Arabs, the conspiracy theorist now confronts the difficult question of why there's nothing left of the planes. Anybody who has seen the endlessly replayed footage of the second plane going into the WTC will realize that the plane was packed with explosives. Planes do not and cannot blow up into nothing in that manner when they crash.

Did the mythical Arabs also haul a huge heap of explosives on board, and mange to deploy them in such a manner that they went off in the exact instant of the crash, completely vapourizing the plane? This is a little difficult even for the conspiracy theorist, who at this point decides that its easier to invent new laws of physics in order to keep the delusion rolling along.

There weren't any explosives. It wasn't an inside job. The plane blew up into nothing from its exploding fuel load! Remarkable, quite remarkable. Sluggishly combustible jet fuel which is basically Kerosene, and which burns at a maximum temperature of around 800 degrees Celcius has suddenly taken on the qualities of a ferociously explosive demolition agent, vapourising sixty-five tons of aircraft into a puff of smoke. Never mind that a plane of that size contains around fifteen tons of steel and titanium, of which even the melting points are about double that of the maximum combustion temperature of Kerosene - let alone the boiling point - which is what would be required to vapourise a plane. And then there's about fifty tons of aluminium to be accounted for. In excess of 15lbs of metal for each gallon of Kerosene.

For the conspiracy theorist, such inconvenient facts are vaguely dismissed as 'mumbo jumbo'. This convenient little phrase is their answer to just about anything factual or logical. Like a conjurer pulling a rabbit out of a hat, they suddenly become fanatically insistent about the devastating explosive qualities of Kerosene, something hitherto completely unknown to science, but just discovered by them, this very minute. Blissfully ignoring the fact that never before or since in aviation history has a plane vapourised into nothing from an exploding fuel load, the conspiracy theorist relies upon Hollywood images, where the effects are are always larger than life, and certainly larger than the intellects of these cretins.

"Its a well known fact that planes blow up into nothing on impact", they state with pompous certainty, "watch any Bruce Willis movie."

"Care to provide any documented examples? If it's a well known fact, then presumably this well known fact springs from some kind of documentation - other than Bruce Willis movies?"

At this point the mad but cunning eyes of the conspiracy theorist will narrow as they sense the corner that they have backed themselves into, and plan their escape by means of another stunning backflip.

"Ah, but planes have never crashed into buildings before, so there's no way of telling." they counter with a sly grin. Well, actually planes have crashed into buildings before and since, and not vapourised into nothing. "But not big planes, with that much fuel", they shriek in hysterical denial. Or that much metal to vapourise.

"Yes but not hijacked planes!" "Are you suggesting that whether the crash is deliberate or accidental affects the combustion qualities of the fuel?" "Now you're just being silly".

Although collisions with buildings are rare, planes frequently crash into mountains, streets, other aircraft, nosedive into the ground, or have bombs planted aboard them, and don't vapourise into nothing. What's so special about a tower that's mostly glass? But by now, the conspiracy theorist has once again sailed happily around the fruit loop. "It's a well documented fact that planes explode into nothing on impact."

Effortlessly weaving back and forth between the position that its a "well known fact" and that "its never happened before, so we have nothing to compare it to", the conspiracy theorist has now convinced themselves - if not too many other people - that the WTC plane was not loaded with explosives, and that the instant vapourisation of the plane in a massive fireball was the same as any other plane crash you might care to mention. Round and round the fruit loop.

But the hurdles which confront the conspiracy theorist are many, and they are now forced to implement even more creative uses for the newly discovered shockingly destructive qualities of Kerosene. They have to explain how the Arabs also engineered the elegant veritcal collapse of both the WTC towers, and for this awkward fact the easiest counter is to simply deny that it was a controlled demolition, and claim that the buildings collapsed from fire caused by the burning Kerosene.

For this, its necessary to sweep aside the second law of thermodynamics and propose Kerosene which is not only impossibly destructive, but also recycles itself for a second burning in violation of the law of degradation of energy. You see, it not only consumed itself in a sudden catastrophic fireball , vapourising a sixty-five ton plane into nothing, but then came back for a second go, burning at 2000 degrees centigrade for another hour at the impact point, melting the skyscraper's steel like butter. And while it was doing all this it also poured down the elevator shafts, starting fires all through the building. When I was at school there was a little thing called the entropy law which suggests that a given portion of fuel can only burn once, something which is readily observable in the real world, even for those who didn't make it to junior high school science. But this is no problem for the conspiracy theorist. Gleefully, they claim that a few thousand gallons of Kerosene is enough to:

- Completely vapourise a sixty-five ton aircraft

- Have enough left over to burn ferociously enough for over an hour at the impact point to melt steel - melting point about double the maximum combustion temperature of the fuel

- Still have enough left over to pour down the elevator shafts and start similarly destructive fires all through the building

This Kerosene really is remarkable stuff! How chilling to realize that those Kerosene heaters we had in the house when I was a kid were deadly bombs, just waiting to go off. One false move and the entire street might have been vapourised. And never again will I take Kerosene lamps out camping. One moment you're there innocently holding the lamp - the next - kapow! Vapourised into nothing along with with the rest of the camp site, and still leaving enough of the deadly stuff to start a massive forest fire.

These whackos are actually claiming that the raging inferno allegedly created by the miraculously recycling, and impossibly hot burning Kerosene melted or at least softened the steel supports of the skyscraper. Oblivious to the fact that the black smoke coming from the WTC indicates an oxygen starved fire - therefore not particularly hot - they trumpet an alleged temperature in the building of 2000 degrees centigrade, without a shred of evidence to support this curious suspension of the laws of physics.

Not content with this ludicrous garbage, they then contend that as the steel frames softened, they came straight down instead of buckling and twisting and falling sideways.

Since they're already re-engineered the combustion qualities of jet fuel, violated the second law of thermodynamics, and redefined the structural properties of steel, why let a little thing like the laws of gravity get in the way?

The tower fell in a time almost identical to that of a free falling object, dropped from that height, meaning that its physically impossible for it to have collapsed by the method of the top floors smashing through the lower floors. But according to the conspiracy theorists, the laws of gravity were temporarily suspended on the morning of September 11th. It appears that the evil psychic power of those dreadful Arabs knew no bounds. Even after they were dead, they were able, by the power of their evil spirits, to force down the tower at a speed physically impossible under the laws of gravity, had it been meeting any resistance from fireproofed steel structures originally designed to resist many tons of hurricane force wind as well as the impact of a Boeing passenger jet straying off course.

Clearly, these conspiracy nuts never did their science homework at school, but did become extremely adept at inventing tall tales for why. "Muslim terrorists stole my notes,Sir." "No Miss, the Kerosene heater blew up and vapourised everything in the street, except for my passport." "You see Sir, the schoolbus was hijacked by Arabs who destroyed my homework because they hate our freedoms."

Or perhaps they misunderstood the term 'creative science' and mistakenly thought that coming up with such rubbish was in fact, their science homework.

The ferocious heat generated by this ghastly Kerosene was, according to the conspiracy theorists, the reason why so many of the WTC victims can't be identified. DNA is destroyed by heat - although 2000 degrees centigrade isn't really required, 100 degrees centigrade will generally do the job. This is quite remarkable, because according to the conspiracy theorist, the nature of DNA suddenly changes if you go to a different city.

That's right, if you are killed by an Arab terrorist in New York, your DNA will be destroyed by such temperatures. But if you are killed by an Arab terrorist in Washington, your DNA will be so robust that it can survive temperatures which completely vapourise a sixty-five ton aircraft.

You see, these loonies have somehow concocted the idea that the missile which hit the pentagon was not a missile at all, but one of the hijacked planes. And to prove this unlikely premise, they point to a propaganda statement from the Bush regime, which rather stupidly claims that all but one of the people aboard the plane were identified from the site by DNA testing, even though nothing remains of the plane. The plane was vapourised by the fuel tank explosion, maintain these space loonies, but the people inside it were all but one identified by DNA testing.

So there we have it. The qualities of DNA are different, depending upon which city you're in, or perhaps depending upon which fairy story you're trying to sell at any particular time.

This concoction about one of the hijacked planes hitting the Pentagon really is a howler. For those not familiar with the layout of the Pentagon, it consists of 5 rings of building, each with a space inbetween. Each ring of building is about 30-35 feet deep, with a similar amount of open space between it and the next ring. The object which penetrated the Pentagon went in at about a 45 degree angle, punching a neat circular hole of about a 12 foot diameter through three rings - six walls. A little later a section of wall about 65 foot wide collapsed in the outer ring. Since the plane which the conspiracy theorists claim to be responsible for the impact had a wing span of 125 feet and a length of 155 feet, and there was no wreckage of the plane, either inside or outside the building, and the lawns outside were still smooth and green enough to play golf on, this crazy delusion is clearly physically impossible.

But hey, we've already disregarded the combustion qualities of jet fuel, the normal properties of common building materials, the properties of DNA, the laws of gravity and the second law of thermodynamics, so what the hell - why not throw in a little spatial impossibility as well? I would have thought that the observation that a solid object cannot pass through another solid object without leaving a hole at least as big as itself is reasonably sound science. But to the conspiracy theorist, this is 'mumbo jumbo'. It conflicts with the delusion that they're hooked on, so it 'must be wrong' although trying to get them to explain exactly how it could be wrong is a futile endeavour.

Conspiracy theorists fly into a curious panic whenever the Pentagon missile is mentioned. They nervously maintain that the plane was vapourised by it's exploding fuel load, and point to the WTC crash as evidence of this behavior. That's a wonderful fruit loop. Like an insect which has just been sprayed, running back and forth in its last mad death throes, they first argue that the reason the hole is so small is that the plane never entered the wall, having blown up outside, and then suddenly backflip to explain the 250 foot deep missile hole by saying that the plane disappeared all the way into the building, and then blew up inside the building - even though the building shows no sign of such damage. As for what happened to the wings - here's where they get really creative. The wings snapped off and folded into the fuselage which then carried them into the building, which then closed up behind the plane like a piece of meat.

When it suits them, they'll also claim that the plane slid in on its belly - ignoring the undamaged lawn - while at the same time citing alleged witnesses to the plane diving steeply into the building from an 'irrecoverable angle.' How they reconcile these two scenarios as being compatible is truly a study in stupidity.

Once they get desperate enough, you can be sure that the UFO conspiracy stuff will make an appearance. The Arabs are in league with the Martians. Space aliens snatched the remains of the Pentagon plane and fixed most of the hole in the wall, just to confuse people. They gave the Arabs invisibility pills to help get them onto the planes. Little green men were seen talking to Bin Laden a few weeks prior to the attacks.

As America gears up to impeach the traitor Bush, and stop his perpetual oil war, it's not helpful to have these idiots distracting from the process by spreading silly conspiracy theories about mythical Arabs, stories which do nothing but play into the hands of the extremist Bush regime.

At a less serious time, we might tolerate such crackpots with amused detachment, but they need to understand that the treachery that was perpetrated on September 11th, and the subsequent war crimes committed in 'retaliation' are far too serious for us to allow such frivolous self indulgence to go unchallenged.

Those who are truly addicted to conspiracy delusions should find a more appropriate outlet for their paranoia.

Its time to stop loony conspiracy theories about September 11th.

Let's not forget the FBI finding a the terrorist passports on ground zero, somehow, the passports: survived the flames and magically landed right in the FBI's hands.

yeah come on,I mean thats just ONE bad apple that has posted anything like this since the conspiracy forum got started. 🙄

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
My nonsense? I just read up on your Conspiracy Theories, and saw how almost all of them were debunked by experts.

Never heard of this Zoby Poll, but Polls can never be trusted, want to know why? Because of the what 2 Million people? (don't quote me on that number) only a Couple Hundred or less are actually polled, guess those 200 count for the Majority of the New York Population, /debunked
You fail to address not living here correctly, you did not see the news AS IT HAPPENED, you got it a day later, going to read up on this Alex Jones you like to worship

yes.only in YOUR fantasy world were they debunked.the 9/11 commission has failed to prove their wild theorys are correct.AGAIN you living in new york means zilch,that point of yours is pitiful because other new yorkers saw it as it happened as well and a lot of them are saying things that contradict what the 9-11 fairy tale commission is saying.well if I worship jones,YOU worship the 9-11 commission people.dude stop letting the travesty you saw make you afraid of the truth. 🙄 you have lost your credibilty here because not living in new york doesnt mean zilch to what actually happened .I wasnt in dealy plaza when kennedy was killed but I know enough from witnesses I have interviewed over the years and read what they saw that WERE there that what the warren commission told the people,like the 9-11 commission is a fairy tale because what witnesses saw and what the governemt explained are totally different,same with 9-11,whats witnesses have said contradicts the lies by the 9-11 commission.AGAIN, other new yorkers saw it live as well only they are not living in the same fairy tale land you are and know that it was an inside job. 🙄 also,you only addressed parts of my posts not all my points I brought up and when you did it was just bullcrap like-no thats not what they said blah blah blah. as i said before,those firemen in jones vidoe were real firemen in new york and they are not repeating their storys anymore in the major news media because they had their loved ones threatened if they dont shut up.Obviously your extremely ignorant when it comes to government agencys and the media and how they operate because the government has a huge history that spans decades of lying about events like this and giving death threats to people who have a version that contradicts their own.damn your clueless about government. 🙄 the reason the controversy goes on is because the facts of the case dont fit the explanation given by the government.The government has just given wild theorys but have no evidence to back upo their claims because again they destroyed all the evidence.jesus you dont listen.well I wont teach you anymore since you fail to listen.

LOL. You conspiracy theorists are so ineffectual it doesn't matter what lunatic ideas you have, you'll never have any influence over the masses.

BTW, I love the links to prison planet and other conspiracy as legitimate sources, when all they do is link to other conspiracy sites as sources.

Keep on with your bad selves. Good laughs are needed in this world.

Originally posted by LMM
Oh really? I personally know many of the firefighters and policemen at the scene. None of them have been receiving death threats, nor did they see anything that resemble an explosion from a bomb. I suppose you'll call all of them liars too, huh? Yet you can't dispute them, because they were there in the middle of it.

On the Discovery Channel's World Trade Center: Anatomy of a Crash, more than one engineer is on camera stating that two 767's crashing into the towers at full speed never crossed their minds. But then again, I'm sure they were coerced into lying on camera for fear of their lives despite no signs of duress.

So what? It's a matter of public record that Larry Silverstein bought the seven buildings that made up the World Trade Center. If you don't even know that, you have absolutely no credibility.

Fired? Just like many other researchers that made outlandish claims, but refused to provide evidence to support their claims?

Minoru Yamasaki, the man who designed the towers is on public record stating that the building were not capable of surviving the two plane crashes on September 11.

Guy, I live in New York. Most of my friends and family are in the NYPD and the FDNY. New York was never the focus of increased protection of the military before September 11.

The evidence was not shipped to China. In fact, more than 80% of the debris was trucked to Staten Island to be examined.

What makes you a moron is not the information that you're providing, but the fact that you are outright disputing people who were actually in downtown New York right near Cortlandt Street when these events occured. You were nowhere near the site, and are only relying on the opinions of other, who were also nowhere near New York on September 11. Talk about denial.

Run along and go follow you leader, mindless sheep.

Like you expect me to believe e NET poster I never met before to take YOUR word since your afraid of the truth? sorry, not going to happen.

see NOW your catching on.these are grown men,it never occured to you though that they had plenty of time to relax and get a grip of themselves.has happened all the time throughout history that people have been threatened that if they dont say a certain thing on the air that they get death threats. 🙄

again,there was NO damage to world trade center 7 yet he told the firechief to pull it.The guy should be on trial for that.

No they proved it with their evidence you just dont want to hear it and want to ignore it.yes she was fired,dont know WHY you find that so hard to believe.

ever occur to you that Minoro was threated with death threats if he DIDNT say that? 🙄 the ignorance you display amazes me.

this applys to you as well,you expect me to believe a NET poster I have that I dont know? not going to happen.

uh yes it was shipped to china.dont know where you got that theory about staten Island. 😆

no what makes you a moron is you keep making these false claims you know are not true.again people that WERE there have said things that contradict what YOUR saying.

its you and darth that are the mindless sheep since your so afraid of the truth. 😛 well I wont waste my time with you two anymore since you keep making up these false things that never happened or cannot comprehend that people would have been given death threats if they did not say what the government wants them to say. 🙄

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Let's not forget the FBI finding a the terrorist passports on ground zero, somehow, the passports: survived the flames and magically landed right in the FBI's hands.

yeah thats pretty amazing.must be Houdini at work. 😆

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I'm mot gonna even get into how many people were told not to fly on September the 11th or the stock market activities during the days leading to 9/11:

great point.

Originally posted by LMM
LOL. You conspiracy theorists are so ineffectual it doesn't matter what lunatic ideas you have, you'll never have any influence over the masses.

I'm baffled !! i mean WOW !! seriously and there was me thinking we have a discussion about something..
well looks like another fruitcake dodged some serious questions.. tho i understand it to an extend, your whole theory is based on government lies, media spin and funny assumption plus straight up scientific ignorance from your side.
so of course you come to the point were you cant answer the questions rational and in a serious manner so instead you try the old you are all looneys without any point whatsoever thats why i refuse engaging in discussion anymore, move.. also known as the famous chickeninPinkTuTuJump

call me an optimist but i still think the seed got planted and with time it will grow, eventually

BTW, I love the links to prison planet and other conspiracy as legitimate sources, when all they do is link to other conspiracy sites as sources.[/B]

excuse me ? what an MASSIVE ASSUMPTION from your side the funny thing is, if you would have BOTHERED to actually click on the link you would have noticed that it does NOT link to other ''conspiracy'' sites but to NBC; CNN,BBC, FOX; Washington post, NY times, Time magazine, San Fran chronicle, observer you named it..
thats right dude, all your oh so accurate mainstream media but then that clearly contradicts your funny view of conspiracy sites always link to other conspiracy sites.. doesn't it ?

lections of a discussion with good ol' Tsarion:

Lec 1; always check the links provided by the person you argue with - otherwise it easely leads to you making yourself look like an utter fool..

Lec2; if you cant answer questions, dont ignore them and hope to overplay this little fact with acting all funny and throwing assumption all over the place in order to justify your retreat - due lack of knowledge on the subject you claimed to have studied..

Lec3: making wild generalization such as ALL conspiracy theoriest are ---------- makes you again look like someone quiet ignorant.. just my opinion of course..
i still have love for you like i have love for all of humanity.

Keep on with your bad selves. Good laughs are needed in this world. [/B]

people who think for themselves and who have some love for each other are needed.. ah yea and you need to wake up dude, its peopz like you that keep us down not the elite.. they wouldnt have any power if we wouldn't give it to them..

PS:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/northwoods.pdf
DECLASSIFIED US DOCUMENTS can you understand that ?
do those 3 words come through to you ?

ahhh thats right, i forgot you're into labels not information, my bad sorry maybe the DECLASSIFIED US DOCUMENTS gain more credibility when the name of the link is not associated with alex jones or any other ''Conspiracy'' RESEARCHER
so here ya go
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

! WAIT !

in case wiki isnt good enough either, then go there:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf

About the National Security Archive

An independent non-governmental research institute and library located at The George Washington University, the Archive collects and publishes declassified documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act. The Archive also serves as a repository of government records on a wide range of topics pertaining to the national security, foreign, intelligence, and economic policies of the United States. The Archive won the 1999 George Polk Award, one of U.S. journalism's most prestigious prizes, for-in the words of the citation-"piercing the self-serving veils of government secrecy, guiding journalists in the search for the truth and informing us all."

The Archive obtains its materials through a variety of methods, including the Freedom of Information act, Mandatory Declassification Review, presidential paper collections, congressional records, and court testimony. (!!!!)
(tell me is that ''CLEAN'' enough for you ?)

Archive staff members systematically track U.S. government agencies and federal records repositories for documents that either have never been released before, or that help to shed light on the decision-making process of the U.S. government and provide the historical context underlying those decisions.

The Archive regularly publishes portions of its collections on microfiche, the World Wide Web, CD-Rom, and in books. The Washington Journalism Review called these publications, collectively totaling more than 500,000 pages, "a state-of-the-art index to history." The Archive's World Wide Web site, www.nsarchive.org, has won numerous awards including USA Today's "Hot Site" designation.

stick around a while and just look how many declassified documents are listed there..
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/index.html

who knows ? maybe you even read one or two..
its just YOU and documents declassified by your Own government..

The Government's 9/11 Facade is Crumbling

Any time two or more people are knowingly involved in the commission of a crime, there is, by definition, a conspiracy. This is not a theory, folks. It's a stone-cold, undeniable fact. So the real question about 9/11 is not whether there was a conspiracy, but indeed exactly who the conspirators are.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_john_per_060810_the_government_s_9_2f1.htm

Originally posted by David Tsarion
oh dear 🙄

ever read the Northwood Documents ? declassified you see but surely you havent heard of em since it wasnt presented on teh golden tabled together with what you should think about it by the mainstream media..
well here you go, read up on what your own government put to paper then come back and talk..
http://www.prisonplanet.com/northwoods.pdf

PS: also check this site
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html

i dont care about other 9/11 researchers, i have looked at most of their material and many are spot on, others have obvious mistakes and easely disprovable ''facts''.. but then thats the idea - its meant to make the 9/11 truth movement look ridiculous, awash with half truths and dodgy conclusions..
some bad apples(deliberate or not) serve to discredit the whole movement. BUT when it comes to 9/11 then you cant **** with Alex Jones, he just sticks with what he can prove you see..simple as.. go on try to debunk anything stated on this link regarding 9/11

see if you go to the site and check the info then you'll notice that every articel leads to a mainstream news articel/site !
now surely if the official story is true(LOL) then it should be childs play to disprove JUST ONE of the many points beeing made..

if you're a honest guy and serious about this, then you'll spend some time and effort reading through all this articels full of smokin guns.. i'm open to any contrary evidence you can put forward to disprove or even just question any of the facts stated on this site..
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html

your turn homeboy 😎

great post david,you so much took him to school. 😄 he is going to keep living in denial about it though because seeing the tragedy first hand was obviously a tramatic experience for him and darth and I DO feel for them if they lost any close friends in it,but because they choose to remain ignorant of the facts,they disgust me and they have done a disservice to their friends they lost if they did lose any friends from it by choosing to be afraid of the truth.what I think is so funny is that when they both adrressed my points or TRIED to,they only chose to try and address some of them while ignoring other of my points that shoot down the governments version and not enen touching them. 🙄

Okay here is why Darth and LMM have no credibility on their posts and WHY thier posts are so laughable.They go to say that because I dont live in New York that I know less than they do because THEY do live in new york. and saw it live first hand instead of seeing it on the news.That is hysterical because Like I said earlier,I can go out and find and interview people that WERE there who also saw it firsthand live as it was happening who will have storys different from theirs. so enough with this crap of living there makes me more knowledgeable than you do B.S. For instance,Like I said earlier,I dont go by just what Jones says on his website-btw truth believers like Deano and david-I got my-the truth is out there infowars.com bumoer sticker today and I can get one for you if you dont have one and want one.But going on to to another 9-11 website devoted to finding out the truth that I was at today-Not jones site,a different site.Here is an excerpt from someone who lived in new york and saw it first hand as well.

It was a perfect picture day in september.I was watering some plants on my terrace and enjoying the unseasonably warm waether when I heard the sound of a plane flying low.Withing seconds I watched in horror as the unthinkable unfolded,right in my back yard.

The shock was overwhelming.My first thougts was that it was a terrorist attack.This was confirmed by the news reports of Al Queda.But on ehting the reports left out was something I witnessed first hand.a very important omission at that.Seconds before the south tower crumbled to its doom I heard/felt a series of explosions.same with the North tower.

There was no denying it,I could feel the vibrations of them like a small eathquake.Yet when i turned on the news,none of the other eyewitnesses commented on this.Indeed in the days that followed,like many americans,I remained glued to the news networtks to keep myself informed of any developments and confirm what I had witnessed.But despite the numerous eyewitness accounts there was still no mention of explosives.I decided to examine the evidence for myself.theres on eyewitness there who knows the truth who saw it first hand,so enough of that I was there crap,that means diddly squat.i can find others there as well like this eyewitness.

LMM like other sheep is just going by what the governments explanation when saying the designer said it wasnt designed to withstand a jet attack.Tha Monero yakasaki guy or whoever is not the lead designer either and just because the government tells you he is on public record means zilch because ACTUALLy the lead enginer and designer who worked on the wtc expressed shock that the towers collapsed from the plane crash.:ee robertson is the actually the designer he was the towers structural engeer as well and he addresses the problem of terrorisem in the plans for the building claiming he designed it for a boeing 707 to hit it.he is ALSO on video expressing his shock about it so this LMM AND DARTH need to stop listenting to the lies of the 9-11 commission.

also the debris was sold to alan ratner of metal management of newark new jersey and new york based copmpany Hugo New schnitzer east and they qickly sold the debris overseas.these two guys really need to stop letting the government brainwash them with their lies. 🙄

Again, I never said I lived in the City of New York, but I know people who had friends that were in the towers. You did not see this as it happened again, it was likely a day later. You constantly attack us saying "LOL, they live in a fantasy world" "It must be so traumaticfor them LOL". Your "facts" are all a bunch of bull, that have an equal if not greater number of people that counter them, i.e. the experts on engineering and what not, and you cant even use proper grammer and paragraphs to relay them.

You think that the population of New York City is represented by 1200 people, let me get this through to you, Polls are inaccurate, and can not be used to represent anything. Presidential Polls are usually made in the states/cities/counties in which the large majority is known to support the candidate.

You say that experts claim the building should not fall like that, well let me ask if a Skyscraper has EVER been hit, intentionally ,at full speed, by a 767? Buildings like the Twin Towers are created to Pancake when they're falling down.

Also, you don't think that a man living in a cave over there could plan/fund this? Osama is himself a billionaire, and has experience with terrorism, plus like much of the Middle East, interprets his religion to mean, Kill AMERICANS!

The Air Force being moved, whoopty doo, we still had the Fighters to shoot down those planes, and they were in the Air, but we thought these Terrorists would try and demand something instead of just killing us

I would try to pick out more points, but since again, your grammer is horrible, it's kindive hard

I admit, the Government wasn't 100% honest, they very well knew there could be a terrorist attack, but we've been living in comfort for so long, we doubted it would happen, and they thought they could stop it. I think they may have shot down the plane (I forget what the flight number was) that was famous for being called "The Flight that Fought Back", but I think I also read somewhere the Plane went into a Nose dive from the cockpit though

PS: Do you wear a /tinfoilhat?

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Again, I never said I lived in the City of New York, but I know people who had friends that were in the towers. You did not see this as it happened again, it was likely a day later. You constantly attack us saying "LOL, they live in a fantasy world" "It must be so traumaticfor them LOL". Your "facts" are all a bunch of bull, that have an equal if not greater number of people that counter them, i.e. the experts on engineering and what not, and you cant even use proper grammer and paragraphs to relay them.

It's sad, the greatest travesty in this world is dependence. you depend on these experts to tell you what happen. So, basically whatever they tell you, You accept as fact? why not learno to think for yourself, that's what people like alex jones,david icke, jordan maxwell, and other so called "Nuts" preach.

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger

You think that the population of New York City is represented by 1200 people, let me get this through to you, Polls are inaccurate, and can not be used to represent anything. Presidential Polls are usually made in the states/cities/counties in which the large majority is known to support the candidate.

Do you know how polls and statistics work?

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger

You say that experts claim the building should not fall like that, well let me ask if a Skyscraper has EVER been hit, intentionally ,at full speed, by a 767? Buildings like the Twin Towers are created to Pancake when they're falling down.

I would try to pick out more points, but since again, your grammer sucks, it's kindive hard

PS: Do you wear a /tinfoilhat?

It's sad, you are a sheep, the towers were ment to take Hurrican force winds. unless your arguing a plane has that much force, and why would the building pancake if the plane was the cause, are you aware NSIT and FEMA have both said the plane was not the cause, but fire?

Now, how does fire started by jet fuel melt carbon steel, with fire retardent spray supported by 47 steel columns give way, how do you explain the fact fire has never ever caused a steel building to fall in the history of man-kind?

Or the building free falling with no resistance from 47 STEEL COLUMNS?

You haven't read all 200 points yet, they are follish. that makes you a sheep?

Do you even know the official story?

The Statistics arn't ever accurate, why the hell can't you understand that, your a conspiracy theorist for goodness sakes! You forget, the so-called experts that your God, Alex Jones interviewed fall in the same line, you believe them because it sounds like Government Conspiracy, it must be true! I'm going to follow people that are in the Public, and are credible. The buildings are designed to Pancake from the Force, and a Hurricane wouldn't bust through like that and create a Giant Hole in the middle of the buildings

I have firsthand accounts of what happened in those buildings on September 11. These are people that speak with regularly. People I have known for many years. People I trust. People that I know have nothing to gain by lying.

Can you provide these types of sources?

No, everything you can produce are third and four hand reports and interviews where 10 second sound bites are extracted from a 30 minute video.

Like you expect me to believe e NET poster I never met before to take YOUR word since your afraid of the truth? sorry, not going to happen.

This is a perfect example of how brainwashed you are. I've researched all of the conspiracy theory claims simply because they seemed plausible. You assholes don't consider anything outside of your beliefs plausible. Ask any educated sane person which is more plausible, a group of Arab terrorists hijacking planes or a worldwide government conspiracy to control the entire population of the world. I know what the answer would be.

That's not being brainwashed, it's being intelligent.

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
The Statistics arn't ever accurate, why the hell can't you understand that, your a conspiracy theorist for goodness sakes! You forget, the so-called experts that your God, Alex Jones interviewed fall in the same line, you believe them because it sounds like Government Conspiracy, it must be true! I'm going to follow people that are in the Public, and are credible. The buildings are designed to Pancake from the Force, and a Hurricane wouldn't bust through like that and create a Giant Hole in the middle of the buildings

No, A hurrricane would make the building sway, And FEMA and NSIT,both said a plane was not enough to destroy the towers.

Alex Jones, As much as I respect him I barely look into his theories, but of course you wouldn't know anything about hinking for yourself, let the experts do that for you. 😆

Originally posted by LMM
I have firsthand accounts of what happened in those buildings on September 11. These are people that speak with regularly. People I have known for many years. People I trust. People that I know have nothing to gain by lying.

Can you provide these types of sources?

No, everything you can produce are third and four hand reports and interviews where 10 second sound bites are extracted from a 30 minute video.

Right, the new york times, FEMA, NSIT, Firemen who were there, Structural enegineers are third rate.

Originally posted by LMM

This is a perfect example of how brainwashed [b]you are. I've researched all of the conspiracy theory claims simply because they seemed plausible. You assholes don't consider anything outside of your beliefs plausible. Ask any educated sane person which is more plausible, a group of Arab terrorists hijacking planes or a worldwide government conspiracy to control the entire population of the world. I know what the answer would be.

That's not being brainwashed, it's being intelligent. [/B]

Okay, if you researched all the theroies, post responces to all 200 smoking guns.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
No, A hurrricane would make the building sway, And FEMA and NSIT,both said a plane was not enough to destroy the towers.

Alex Jones, As much as I respect him I barely look into his theories, but of course you wouldn't know anything about hinking for yourself, let the experts do that for you. 😆

My comments were meant for Parker....he loves this guy

Again answer this, has a 767 ever hit a Skyscraper such as the Twin Towers at full speed, and intentionally? They would not know. Structural Engineers are on both sides, the majority against your claims I would bet