Semptember the 11th

Okay J I did what you asked.I gave you the names of those engineers you asked for and when they said these statements and where i got them from.I showed you that one of them said that if an airliner crashed into into that building that there would be fires and a lot of people would be killed but the towers would remain intact and standing.Not only that but where another one said that it was over designed so much that it was capable of sustaining hits by MULTIPLE aircrafts.He said that in Modern Marvels, a documentary tape that was made BEFORE 9-11.

Also if you don't want to listen to what the engineers had to say,the smoking gun that proves that bombs indeed were set off in the buildings is the testimony of Willie Rodriguez.He was a janitor in one of the towers.Fortunately for us and himself,he was an hour late to work that day because he was like on the 20th floor of the north tower when the first plane hit the towers.He says if he had been on time that day he would normally have been up to like the 50th floor that day and would have died in the crash.But because he was late he was only on the 20th floor that day and was near the garage basement level when the first tower was struck.He has said in his testimony-which the mainstream press here in the united states have totally ignored,that BEFORE the first plane hit,about 30 seconds before the first tower was struck,that he heard an EXPLOSION going off in the garage basement floors below him.His testimony is corraborated by other witnesses as well that survived that day whom he helped out of the towers.One of them came out of an elevator and was on fire and was screaming for help and saying there were explosions going off in the basement.Rodriguez then said about 30 seconds later,he heard a loud thud noise go off several stories above him and the building shook a little which at that time he did not know what it was but it turned out to be the jet airliner that then struck.Rodriguez has tried several times to get the mainstream media to tell his story but he has been ignored every time by them he says.He says they never wanted to hear his story when he tried to tell it that day.
He says whenever he goes over to foreign countries and tells his story,the media embrace him and report it there but here in the states its a totally different story,that they just ignore him and dont want to hear it-since obviously it doesnt fir their version of what really happened.if you want to know more about this story,all you got to do is a google search.just type in willie rodriguez and 9-11.He's been on alex jones show before.

Do the mature thing J,acknowledge that you've been taken to school by me and have been proven wrong.Come on surely YOU can be mature enough to admit it when you have been proven wrong.XYZ AND DOG I know are not capabale of admitting it when they have been proven wrong,their not mature enough to do that, but come on,surely YOU are not like them and can be mature enough to admit the obvious that you've been proven wrong? 😄 Hey we all make mistakes,theres no shame in having to admit it when you've been proven wrong.It happens to the best of us. 😉 come on now,do the mature thing and acknowledge you've been proven wrong.nothing wrong with that. 😄

Good job parker, but you really don't have to post much. Because the official story is pure non-sense. How can people believe that Fires and a plane caused:

-330 Ton piece of the outer wall to fly off
-22 ton piece of the outer wall to fly into the bankers trust building
-A 50 ton press to dissapear
-100 day fires
-Fuse debris into one element (911 meteor)
-99% of the concrete to pulverise
-Shatter sttel and concrete into 3 microns

Where's the governments explanation for this?

yeah true.what I think was so laughable was XYZ's theory he gave to you once when he said the reason the steel girders went flying several miles away-never mind that would never happen in a mere collapse of a building,that his explanation for it was something because of air pockets.LOL. forever the apologists.

yeah thats what i was saying is that the government cant come up with a reasonable explanation that holds any water that the mere collapse would shatter steel into microns,or that there would be molten steel STILL burning after the firefighters hosed it down 3 weeks later,and that the photos show an implosion of dust going UPWARDS out of the top towers before they collapse,and a 50 ton press to dissapear,and my favorite one which you mentioned,99% of the concrete to pulverize into dust.all of that is totally inconsistant with just a mere collapse of a building due to fires and never mind the fact that jet fuel cant melt steel.The only way for steel to melt is it has to exposed to a torch with a controlled temperature,a mere open flame which is what the jet fuel was,cant reach temperatures hot enough to melt steel.Those are facts.As I just showed,one of the designers himself back in 93 said the structure would still be standing,that the fires could not melt the steel.Plus another said it could withstand MULTIPLE hits by jet airliners.also as i said,the photos prove that the fires were not that intense.the photos show billowing black smoke pouring out of the towers and the windows are still intact.If the fires were really intense and hot like the government claims them to be,as I said,they would be like the madid towers in spain where the buildings were a blazing orange everywhere and yet that building burned for 5 days without collapsing.

another thing I think is hilarious that the apologists always come up with is they say it was the combination of the airliners hitting the towers and jet fuel that melting the steel that caused the towers to collapse.yet WTC 7 WASNT hit by a jet airliner,so it became the first building in history to collapse due to fire.wonder what the governments explanation for THAT one is? cant use the explanation that a jet airliner was also the cause of it.LOL.and the government also cant get around the fact that there were other towers more severly hit that it was yet those towers stood standing.It would be great to see that fraidy cat of the truth Darth Krieger here again to see how many straws he would desperately grasp at to defend the offical version.Logic and common sense was something he knew nothing whatsoever about.He was the biggest apologist of the governments version I have ever encountered. 😄

Originally posted by Mr Parker

Do the mature thing J,acknowledge that you've been taken to school by me and have been proven wrong.Come on surely YOU can be mature enough to admit it when you have been proven wrong.XYZ AND DOG I know are not capabale of admitting it when they have been proven wrong,their not mature enough to do that, but come on,surely YOU are not like them and can be mature enough to admit the obvious that you've been proven wrong? 😄 Hey we all make mistakes,theres no shame in having to admit it when you've been proven wrong.It happens to the best of us. 😉 come on now,do the mature thing and acknowledge you've been proven wrong.nothing wrong with that. 😄

lol? Was that serious?

In no way have I been proven wrong. Witnesses are one of the worst and most inconclusive forms of evidence. If that's all you guys have to base your conclusions on, that means that there is a distinct lack of physical evidence on your part, and that your version of the events is quite flimsy. Witnesses stories can rarely be trusted to be accurate for many reasons, especially in an incident as devastating as 9/11. And I'd be willing to bet that for every witness that says they heard an explosion in the basement, there's 5 witnesses who will say there wasn't.

It's this kind of inconclusiveness that really makes witnesses kinda useless in most cases.

Oh, and nice arrogance there pal. Really makes you look like a grade-A guy, you know what I mean?

EDIT: I don't quite think you understand the whole situation with the steel at all, Parker. You act as if the steel would have had to have been completely melted in order to cause a collapse. What you forget is that the planes crashed into (generally) the center mass of the towers. On top of the crash sites, penetrated by a jetliner that had just flown into them at 500 mph (you can see parts of the planes flying out the other side), was millions of tons of pressure.

I'm quite sure the steel would have been heavily damaged by the impact of the airliner itself, which literally almost sliced through the building. Mix this with the burning jet fuel fires, and you have some very, very weakened steel that's supposed to support the pressure of over 40 floors above it. It wouldn't have to be molten.

yep still in denial and afraid of the truth I see. a mature person would admit they have been proven wrong.I listed COUNTLESS items of proof for you that it was an inside job.as usual though,you ignore facts that are made though.typical of the apologists afraid of the truth and in denial about it.9-11 is exactly like the kennedy assassination where with kennedy,the media ignored witnesses who said they saw a gumen on the grassy knoll and ignored the evidence that people ran to the knoll because they saw a couple of gunmen fire the shots.the media did the same thing with 9-11,they ignored witnesses who said they heard explosions going off in the towers.The mainstream media just like with kennedy,ignored willie rodriguez that day when he told the media he heard exlosions going off in the basement below.anything that did not fir their version of events,they did not want to know about it.you obviously do not understand that the mainstream media is controlled by the elite. You have been proven wrong big time and you know it,your just to afraid to admit it.talk about arrogance.Ilist facts and you ignore them.Me and ashtar listed countless pieces of evidence in our posts which you obviosuly did not read that proves the official version is a lie and coverup.obviously you did not read them.

Originally posted by J-Beowulf
lol? Was that serious?

In no way have I been proven wrong. Witnesses are one of the worst and most inconclusive forms of evidence. If that's all you guys have to base your conclusions on, that means that there is a distinct lack of physical evidence on your part, and that your version of the events is quite flimsy. Witnesses stories can rarely be trusted to be accurate for many reasons, especially in an incident as devastating as 9/11. And I'd be willing to bet that for every witness that says they heard an explosion in the basement, there's 5 witnesses who will say there wasn't.

It's this kind of inconclusiveness that really makes witnesses kinda useless in most cases.

Oh, and nice arrogance there pal. Really makes you look like a grade-A guy, you know what I mean?

EDIT: I don't quite think you understand the whole situation with the steel at all, Parker. You act as if the steel would have had to have been completely melted in order to cause a collapse. What you forget is that the planes crashed into (generally) the center mass of the towers. On top of the crash sites, penetrated by a jetliner that had just flown into them at 500 mph (you can see parts of the planes flying out the other side), was millions of tons of pressure.

I'm quite sure the steel would have been heavily damaged by the impact of the airliner itself, which literally almost sliced through the building. Mix this with the burning jet fuel fires, and you have some very, very weakened steel that's supposed to support the pressure of over 40 floors above it. It wouldn't have to be molten.

the apologists very hard at work again.AGAIN the facts are that the media had no intention of wanting to cover the witnesses testimony that they heard explosions,none of the witnessess testimony that reported hearing exposions EVER made it into the 9-11 commission cover up report because if it did not fit their version of events,they did not want to hear it. 🙄 thats why victems of the 9-11 tragedy are outraged over the commissions report,they constanty ignored facts.the 9-11 commission just like the warren commission report is a fairy tale.AGAIN everytime willie rodriguez goes over to foreing countrys and tells his story to the press there,they embrace him and print his story that he heard explosions going on in the basement below before the planes hit which other witnesses there have said so themselves.obvisouly you only read PARTS of my posts.here inthe states though when he trys to tell his story,the mainstream media they wont report it and didnt want to hear it back then he says.AGAIN you obviously dont know anything about how the mainstream press never investigates real news and how they are controlled by the government. 🙄 the only press here in the states who will touch his story is the alternative press like medai bypass and american free press and alex jones.that guy knows his stuff.people who dont listen to him like xyz are afraid of the truth.

No I completely understand it,what YOU ignore constantly is what the engineers said prior to 9-11 though which is they should easily have withstood the impacts from the plane.that they could have taken hits from MULTIPLE jet airliners in their expert opinion.I will go with the expert opinions of the engineers what THEY said before 9-11 anyday of the year over something YOU have to say. 😆 of course parts will fly out,it just crashed for cying out loud,its not going to stay intact. 😆 AGAIN I will go with what the engineers said before 9-11 What THEY were quite sure of anyday of the year over what YOUR quite sure of when you say the steel would have been quite heavily damaged by the aircraft itself. 😆 jets are aluminum,it cannot damage steel.that jet is going to crumpple whenit impacts with steel.You take a jet and ram it into a steel bridge,that bridge is going to remain standing.the airliner is going to be crumpled to pieces though. Im not going to debate with someone who ignores what the engineers said which I posted.the engineers said it was designed to withstand a jet airliner.I posted all that for you.they ANTICAPATED all this in their design and constructions and built it to make sure it would remain standing.is ANY of this getting through to you? you are not the expert on this.those names of those people I posted for you are.I will listen to those names of those experts i posted anyday of the year before I listen to YOUR wild theorys you have. 😆

also thats the FIRST thing police do in a crime scene investigation is get the statements made by witnesses that were there and follow up on them.you sure as hell dont even bother to not print what the witnesses said there at the crime scene and dont print them in your report. 🙄 if its a coverup though that EXACTLY what you do though.this is all stuff you cant seem to grasp though.and you sure as hell dont destroy the evidence and not allow an independent investitaon of it took place which is what federal officals DID,destroy the evidence and ship it overseas.

CURTIS L. TAYLOR AND SEAN GARDINER, NEWSDAY, SEP 11 2001 - The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday. Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday, bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed. "Today was the first day there was not the extra security," Coard said. "We were protecting below. We had the ground covered. We didn't figure they would do it with planes. There is no way anyone could have stopped that." Security guard Hermina Jones said officials had recently taken steps to secure the towers against aerial attacks by installing bulletproof windows and fireproof doors in the 22nd-floor computer command center.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-nyaler122362178sep12,0,1255660.story

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Lkq3qBBADA

An interesting video about the attacks themselves.

Well thats a rather idiotic video, what area of expertise is the speaker in I wonder?

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Well thats a rather idiotic video, what area of expertise is the speaker in I wonder?

Good video xyz, very funny. 👆

Originally posted by parenthesis
What area of expertise is Alex Jones?

Good video xyz, very funny. 👆

Oh by the way, did you see the part about building 7? All that shit hitting it? Very funny.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Well thats a rather idiotic video, what area of expertise is the speaker in I wonder?

You can sure say that again.very stupid video.and to the person who asked what area of expertise is Alex Jones? Uh if you ever did your research you would know he has gone out an interviewed countless numbers of experts is "his" expertise which means he has EXPERTS in these fields he goes by.Not by idiots like this guy in this tape. 😆

thanks to that link that was provided you can also view that other video there called total proof explosives were planted in the buildings.as that video says,its the video people CANT debunk.its funny that all the mainstream press besides the countless numbers of witnesses that reported hearing explosions going off that day,on that very day,the mainstream media themselves were reporting explosions going off.they couldnt get around it because the videos and the eyewitness's testimony proves it.now people wanting to accept that happened though is a much different story.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
You can sure say that again.very stupid video.and to the person who asked what area of expertise is Alex Jones? Uh if you ever did your research you would know he has gone out an interviewed countless numbers of experts is "his" expertise which means he has EXPERTS in these fields he goes by.Not by idiots like this guy in this tape. 😆

thanks to that link that was provided you can also view that other video there called total proof explosives were planted in the buildings.as that video says,its the video people CANT debunk.its funny that all the mainstream press besides the countless numbers of witnesses that reported hearing explosions going off that day,on that very day,the mainstream media themselves were reporting explosions going off.they couldnt get around it because the videos and the eyewitness's testimony proves it.now people wanting to accept that happened though is a much different story.

also parenthesis,not only is that guy in that video a complete idiot and that video is moronic,as far as alex jones goes,I find it odd that Jones himself predicted two months in advance before 9-11 happened,that there were going to be some major terrorists attacks against the united states and he warned people back in july 2001 not to believe it that they were attacks from a foreign country.
That if they did indeed happen,to know that it was an inside job by the government.strange how alex jones somehow back then had reliiable information that there were going to be terrorists attacks against us yet somehow the government couldnt stop it despite having the most sophisticated air defenses in the country where if a jet strays off course,they have protocals in place to have those fighters up within 5 minutes to intercept them yet somehow an hour in a half goes by that day and they dont intercept them.Inside job.deal with it.

Not to mention that theres a video out you can view that Norman Mineta the transportation secretary -I believe is his title,went public and said that there were orders by Cheney from the bunker in washington that day to stand down when the officers there that day asked what they should do when that supposed plane got 10 miles from the pentagan.I have seen that video and according to Mineta in that video,Cheney yelled-Of course the orders still stand,have you heard anything otherwise? this is coming from a top official in the white house that says this that you can view. what were the orders from cheney that Mineta was referring to? Obviously not to scramble the jets.Obviously to stand down.Its amazing how people around here dont do any research.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
also parenthesis,not only is that guy in that video a complete idiot and that video is moronic,as far as alex jones goes,I find it odd that Jones himself predicted two months in advance before 9-11 happened,that there were going to be some major terrorists attacks against the united states and he warned people back in july 2001 not to believe it that they were attacks from a foreign country.
That if they did indeed happen,to know that it was an inside job by the government.strange how alex jones somehow back then had reliiable information that there were going to be terrorists attacks against us yet somehow the government couldnt stop it despite having the most sophisticated air defenses in the country where if a jet strays off course,they have protocals in place to have those fighters up within 5 minutes to intercept them yet somehow an hour in a half goes by that day and they dont intercept them.Inside job.deal with it.

Not to mention that theres a video out you can view that Norman Mineta the transportation secretary -I believe is his title,went public and said that there were orders by Cheney from the bunker in washington that day to stand down when the officers there that day asked what they should do when that supposed plane got 10 miles from the pentagan.I have seen that video and according to Mineta in that video,Cheney yelled-Of course the orders still stand,have you heard anything otherwise? this is coming from a top official in the white house that says this that you can view. what were the orders from cheney that Mineta was referring to? Obviously not to scramble the jets.Obviously to stand down.Its amazing how people around here dont do any research.

oh something i forgot to add on as well par. Not only thanks to that link provided where you view that video that cant be debunked that bombs were planted in the buildings which again is called- TOTAL PROOF THAT BOMBS WERE PLANTED IN THE BUILDINGS.,as you can see.not only does that video prove the truth that bombs were planted,but you can also as well type in at youtube-9-11 coincidences.they have 14 of those videos.watch them.one of them-i think its like between videos numbers 11 and 15, employees there talk about weeks before 9-11, that there were highly unusual activites going on in some of the empty vacant floors in the towers which before was unprecedented.something a lot of people always choose to ignore as well is that in a typical collapse like that due to mere fire,the freaking building isnt going to collapse in the same freaking freefall manner those buildings did either.

the south tower in particular,SHOULD have tipped sideways since in the videos,you see thats what it IS inititally doing just that.that goes against thousands of years of science,for it to all of a sudden,have the tower pull back in and reverse its direction like that due to just a mere collapse of a building due to fire.plus that is also inconsistant for the buildings to disintegrate into powder like they did all because of a collapse due to just a mere jet fuel fire.only an idiot would swallow that garbage and lies.Now for a controlled demolition,that IS consistant to have all those things happen.

Also if you watch those coincidences videos,you see on one of them as well even John Kerry say explosives were used and even Bush accidently says so himself as you will see if you take the time to watch those videos.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
oh something i forgot to add on as well par. Not only thanks to that link provided where you view that video that cant be debunked that bombs were planted in the buildings which again is called- TOTAL PROOF THAT BOMBS WERE PLANTED IN THE BUILDINGS.,as you can see.not only does that video prove the truth that bombs were planted,but you can also as well type in at youtube-9-11 coincidences.they have 14 of those videos.watch them.one of them-i think its like between videos numbers 11 and 15, employees there talk about weeks before 9-11, that there were highly unusual activites going on in some of the empty vacant floors in the towers which before was unprecedented.something a lot of people always choose to ignore as well is that in a typical collapse like that due to mere fire,the freaking building isnt going to collapse in the same freaking freefall manner those buildings did either.

the south tower in particular,SHOULD have tipped sideways since in the videos,you see thats what it IS inititally doing just that.that goes against thousands of years of science,for it to all of a sudden,have the tower pull back in and reverse its direction like that due to just a mere collapse of a building due to fire.plus that is also inconsistant for the buildings to disintegrate into powder like they did all because of a collapse due to just a mere jet fuel fire.only an idiot would swallow that garbage and lies.Now for a controlled demolition,that IS consistant to have all those things happen.

Also if you watch those coincidences videos,you see on one of them as well even John Kerry say explosives were used and even Bush accidently says so himself as you will see if you take the time to watch those videos.

Ermm, yeah, if the support on the other sidfe was falling, it would tip back, and I dont' think it did that anyway. Nor did it disintergrate into powder. THat's clear bullshit from your part.

I've seen the one where Kerry said "Building 7 was demolished" in actual fact, he said he didn't know. You guys spin the words of everyone and believe the first story that calls people in power idiots or evil just because you don't like their policies. It's funny how a conspiracy theorist never runs for politics, you'd think they'd be the first to overthrow a government.

Tired of those 2 hour long documentaries full of shit that don't go anywhere? Mee to. Here's a short video with actual points about 9/11. I admit, there are some rusty points, but I'm sure they'll be fixed.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-649993991751648213

Mahdi Mohammed Ahmed was born August 12, 1844 and died on June 22, 1885.
He was a religious leader in north Africa who wanted to create a global Islamic state.
He fought the British in north Africa and defeated General Charles ‘Chinese’ Gordon at Khartoum . He beheaded the general and hung his head in a tree for children throw stones at.
His title was that of Mahdi – to Muslims the Mahdi is the prophesied redeemer of Islam. He is a prophet himself. His coming is to unite the Muslims in one world Islamic state to prepare for the second coming of the prophet Isa.
The prophet Isa is Jesus.

The British were in north Africa as they were intending to increase their presence in Egypt . Their main opponents in power and prestige were the Arabs, who, at the time, were primarily slave traders. In fact in Sudan over eighty percent of the black population was enslaved by a comparatively small number of Arabs. The situation was a good example of what one day would have happened to the southern United States had not the Civil War intervened and slavery abolished in North America .
In the late 1800’s, however, slavery was still a major part of the economy and the British hoped to break the monopoly the Arabs had on the economy by destroying the slavery system. They did so with good intent but ended up breaking down the entire society of north Africa without preparing anything to replace it.
Into this vacuum stepped the Mahdi Mohammed Ahmed.
He raised an army of considerable size and was financed by Arabs who hoped to reestablish the slave trade as well as many Muslims who wished to see the creation of an Islamic nation that stretched from Morocco to the southern seas of the Pacific.
At first the Mahdi was successful and defeated the British presence in Sudan . Even Khartoum , as mentioned above, was taken from British control.
Shortly after the successful termination of the campaign against Khartoum and the death of General ‘Chinese’ Gordon the Mahdi died of a tropical disease.
His body was laid in a tomb in a place called Omdorman in Sudan .
On 2 September 1898, the battle of Omdurman occurred and the British and Egyptians slaughterd about 11,000 Mahdi fighters. The British then dominated the Sudan until 1956. The Sudan ’s flag sports a black stripe at the bottom which symbolizes the Mahdi.
On or about September 11, 1898 the Mahdi’s tomb was broken open and torn down. The bones of the Mahdi were thrown into the Nile . His skull was kept as a keepsake by General Kitchener.

As we all know September 11 marks another day in history – that of the destruction of the World Trade Center in New York .

The Mahdi’s relation to Osama Bin Laden is not spoken of. The idea of the second coming of Christ, which is hoped for by many Christians and actively worked towards by many fundamental Christians is shocking when put in the context of terrorism.
Just what was the Mahdi up to?
Just what was Osama Bin Laden up to?
Preparing for the second coming of Christ? It seems so.
Now besides his own history where do you think a man like Bin Laden would pick up the notion that attacking the World Trade Center might be a good move to start the ball rolling and get God to put Jesus back on earth for a second go around?
Consider that the Bin Laden family and many Arabs have constant and ongoing contact with fundamental Christian sects who control, operate and work for major oil companies.
The Bush family is a prime example but not the only one. Do you know someone who is convinced that these are the ‘end of days’? If so you know someone who is unwittingly feeding the war on terror and helping dishonest politicians and business owners steal what they want without working for it.
With an imperfect understanding of Christianity and even of his own religion it is possible that he believed he was pulling the strings in his own magic show that would one day, ‘Presto-Change-O’, produce Jesus Christ.
Do you think that many of the half educated and ignorant members of our society would argue against something like that – especially if the price to be paid were only an attack on New York , which many of them hate for some unnamed reason anyway?
The invasion of Iraq spurred the coming out of the Mahdi’s Army in that country. It is in fact, the strongest opponent of American and British occupation at this time in Iraq . They are dedicated to the notion of a global Islamic state.
Add to the mix the greed and murderous attitude of the Turks in their quest to secure Iraqi oil by slaughtering Kurds you have an explosive atmosphere.
Keep in mind that the Kurds worship the ‘Peacock Angel’ – known to you and I as the devil. Whoever the Mahdi is supposed to be these days a limited engagement between the forces of ‘good’ (those wanting to spur the return of Christ) and ‘evil’ (folks worshipping the devil) is political good news for religious fanatics and the people who spur them on and then steal their wealth out from under them.
Now consider also that the President, whose beliefs already echo and mirror those of men and women who think like Osama Bin Laden – that is – being predisposed to looking forward to the return of Christ.
Other examples of this particular type of interference can be seen on the world stage. None are so blatant as those of our own president however who recently urged the people of Cuba (as well as their military) to rebel against their government. It was an ugly scene to watch as the president, in his usual stammering manner, encouraged the people of Cuba to riot and run wild in their streets.
It is common law and common sense that someone who spurs on another to murder and mayhem are themselves guilty of murder and mayhem.

Finally – to complete the scene you have been watching – the British Empire announced through their military and newspapers in the 1880’s that they need to ‘smash the Mahdi’ before he could form his global Islamic Republic.
This is from April 4, 1885 in the New York Times :
“"Smashing the Mahdi," on the scale upon which that operation is now prosecuted in the Soudan, cannot exhilarate the British Jingo.”
From August 6, 2006, Time Magazine :
“For Sunnis, the failure to smash the Mahdi Army is not so much an indictment of al-Maliki as proof of a U.S. double standard.”

Now you know why it was September 11 and not some other date.