Originally posted by ExodusCloak
The Phoenix Fragment Energy >>>>> Then Cables Energy.
How is Cable going to re-activate it? Cable is tuned to certain wavelengths of energy...
Will Phoenix fragment sure didnt help her left providence, yet GCable not only remade it, he powered it with all amnesties of the living but also levitate aloft for months so saying Phoenix fragment (really dont understand behind it)>>>>>>>>>>Cable Energy would be wrong. And if you think about Phoenix force even a fragment of it would be way above Vulcan as it is an aspect of an entity so powerfull that it can create/manipulate Universe or maybe even Multiverse.
Could you explain what you mean by negating GCables energy is?
He has shut off power from Sentinel but thats just absorbing the energy cells that powered it. Regarding Rachel He was able to shut the current running to her brain making her unable to i quess use her power but she has no way of fighting that, GCable on the other hand has control over all body function on a molecular level w/ psionic energy and his control over it allows him to manipulate matter/diff. forms of energy. For this attack to work depends on who is better able to control energies within GCables body? Him or Vulcan.
How is Vulcan going to be defeated by molecular manipulation when Darwins power would protect him from it? Darwins power is basically a plot device...evolve inorder to survive...so if worst came to worst...Darwin evolves and becomes immune to Cables energy wavelength. Plus Darwin was also able to consciously activate his power meaning he can practically will what ever offense/defense he wants.
I dont know how far Darwins evolving powers go, Matter Manipulation also deals with energy.
Then there's Sway who could stop time/slow it down.
Vulcans power is that he controls energy, which is greater then molecular and sub-atomic manipulation as they are comprised of energy.
Originally posted by Rols
Will Phoenix fragment sure didnt help her left providence, yet GCable not only remade it, he powered it with all amnesties of the living but also levitate aloft for months so saying Phoenix fragment (really dont understand behind it)>>>>>>>>>>Cable Energy would be wrong. And if you think about Phoenix force even a fragment of it would be way above Vulcan as it is an aspect of an entity so powerfull that it can create/manipulate Universe or maybe even Multiverse.
Rachel wasn't manifesting her fragment then...
She only recently starting manifesting her Phoenix Fragment...in the final comic of the Shiar attack on the Greys, her speech bubbles changed colour. It's black like Jeans now. Then it changed back to normal.
As you said a fraction of the Phoenix Force is godly, Cable hasn't been officially confirmed an Omega mutant niether has Nate nor Stryfe.
Vulcan prevented Rachel from using her powers and her Phoenix Fragment that feat should speak for itself.
Could you explain what you mean by negating GCables energy is?
He has shut off power from Sentinel but thats just absorbing the energy cells that powered it. Regarding Rachel He was able to shut the current running to her brain making her unable to i quess use her power but she has no way of fighting that, GCable on the other hand has control over all body function on a molecular level w/ psionic energy and his control over it allows him to manipulate matter/diff. forms of energy. For this attack to work depends on who is better able to control energies within GCables body? Him or Vulcan.
He manipulates energy, so there are many ways in which he could supress their powers. Your way for example via the brain but... since there's no way to know who's the better energy weilder I'll go a different route.
Vulcan stops time(Sway stopped time at the beginning of her book, thats how she survived the onslaught of bullets)
Then shuts off Cables powers.
BTW There are many possible ways for Vulcan to manipulate Cables powers, he could supress the chemical energy in his body preventing certain biological functions from taking place, shut it of via the brain etc.
I dont know how far Darwins evolving powers go, Matter Manipulation also deals with energy.
He transcended into energy when he needed to survive, he didn't even know the nature of the attack...that says a lot.
Matter Manipulation deals with particles...Cable for all we know could manipulate things on a sub-sub atomic scale but that still doesn't change the fact that energy makes up those said particles.
Anyway it doesn't really matter, Vulcan stops time and then shuts off Cables powers.
I dont think Sway could stop time, and Vulcans abilities is not superior to Matter manipulation since to manipulate matter is to be able to control all froms of energy which Vulcan has never been shown.
Anyway just my 2 cents.
Sway stopped bullets in mid air during her sub-comic. She also stopped time and objects in mid air on the page when Xavier is explaining her powers to Moira.
Matter Manipulation is a notch below Manipulation of all Energy as matter itself consists of energy.
The description of Gabriels powers is that he manipulates all forms of energy.
Originally posted by Rols
Will Phoenix fragment sure didnt help her left providence, yet GCable not only remade it, he powered it with all amnesties of the living but also levitate aloft for months so saying Phoenix fragment (really dont understand behind it)>>>>>>>>>>Cable Energy would be wrong. And if you think about Phoenix force even a fragment of it would be way above Vulcan as it is an aspect of an entity so powerfull that it can create/manipulate Universe or maybe even Multiverse.Could you explain what you mean by negating GCables energy is?
He has shut off power from Sentinel but thats just absorbing the energy cells that powered it. Regarding Rachel He was able to shut the current running to her brain making her unable to i quess use her power but she has no way of fighting that, GCable on the other hand has control over all body function on a molecular level w/ psionic energy and his control over it allows him to manipulate matter/diff. forms of energy. For this attack to work depends on who is better able to control energies within GCables body? Him or Vulcan.I dont know how far Darwins evolving powers go, Matter Manipulation also deals with energy.
I dont think Sway could stop time, and Vulcans abilities is not superior to Matter manipulation since to manipulate matter is to be able to control all froms of energy which Vulcan has never been shown.
Anyway just my 2 cents.
As you said a fraction of the Phoenix Force is godly, Cable hasn't been officially confirmed an Omega mutant niether has Nate nor Stryfe.
Vulcan prevented Rachel from using her powers and her Phoenix Fragment that feat should speak for itself...
BTW There are many possible ways for Vulcan to manipulate Cables powers, he could supress the chemical energy in his body preventing certain biological functions from taking place, shut it of via the brain etc.
He transcended into energy when he needed to survive, he didn't even know the nature of the attack...that says a lot.
Sway stopped bullets in mid air during her sub-comic. She also stopped time and objects in mid air on the page when Xavier is explaining her powers to Moira.
Matter Manipulation is a notch below Manipulation of all Energy as matter itself consists of energy.
The description of Gabriels powers is that he manipulates all forms of energy..
Good point dough, still not quite sure Vulcan defeats GCable, just the fact that he hasnt showed this kind of power on comic panel, I mean he's pretty powerfull but has never shown to manipulate time, matter manipulation i mean he should be able too, while GCable has been shown to be able to manipulate energy/matter + control over his own molecular structure.
Originally posted by Rols
Yeah agree with you on that but I think Phoenix fragment is way above Vulcan to shunt off, He stop Rachel from using the phoenix fragment.
He shouldn't have done it..but he did...but to be fair all Omega Mutants will eventually be on Par with the Phoenix...he was Omega Plus then...
This probably would not work, his got complete control over all function of his body, being able to stop time howeever i think would work on GCables but would he be still conscious when times stops around him or is he totally freeze.
Well when they shot at her and she stopped time...the gangsters didn't turn back and chase her down. Plus she stops, time it does make sense that brain impulse flow is frozen like everything else.
How do you transcend into energy? I dont really understand that.. Matter manipulation, i think is higher level of energy manipulation. This allows you control of energy/ change it or make to another, but you are right dough he is a walking plot device and i think he plays a big role in fall of Shiar story arc.
I can't scientifically explain it..but the fact remains he did it....he's a plot device...adapting to anything in order to survive. But Cable only emits a certain frequency of Energy if Darwin becomes immune to that his Ultimate Tk won't work.
Yeah i just re-read Deadly Genises but quiestion is; When she stops time does the being affected actually becomes unconscious?
I think matter manipulation is an advance form of energy manipulation because of the fact that you play/change forms of energy according to what you make of it.
Brain Impulses would be frozen like everything else. The Commisioner never mentioned anything of exposure to Sway at the end of the comic as well. I mean the Officer and Gangsters would all be witnesses if they saw what happened.
But you would need to know the scientific principle behind the energy in order to create that particular energy out of matter otherwise your matter manipulation would be useless. That's why manipulating all types of energy is better...especially when one of your powers is sensing energy and you are apparently one with energy.(Vulcans voice is also pure energy as shown in the new Uncanny) as energy is the building blocks of matter.
Good point dough, still not quite sure Vulcan defeats GCable, just the fact that he hasnt showed this kind of power on comic panel, I mean he's pretty powerfull but has never shown to manipulate time, matter manipulation i mean he should be able too, while GCable has been shown to be able to manipulate energy/matter + control over his own molecular structure.
Well Sway just got her powers and she could stop time...Vulcan also used her powers to see past events...and according to forum rules they both fight at their best. So stopping time and then shutting down GCables powers should work.
Heck GCable is powerful...but the stopping time strategy works especially since we don't know who's the better energy manipulator...it's a sneaky tactic I have to admit.
He shouldn't have done it..but he did...but to be fair all Omega Mutants will eventually be on Par with the Phoenix...he was Omega Plus then...
But you would need to know the scientific principle behind the energy in order to create that particular energy out of matter otherwise your matter manipulation would be useless. That's why manipulating all types of energy is better...especially when one of your powers is sensing energy and you are apparently one with energy.(Vulcans voice is also pure energy as shown in the new Uncanny) as energy is the building blocks of matter.
Same as Cable but on a Uber-level😄, and matter manipulation.
After he finished building the pieces, he powered it, made a float for few months.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
if you have read deadly genesis 1-6 you should know that she can stop time and darwin can change his skin as body as he desires like he made his skin like rock or transfomed into pure energy or make his skin sharp
I have read it and no she can't, she even comments she doesn't have that kinda control. She can only create small time radius bubbles that "Stop" time.
edit: "her abilities allowed her to slow or even stop time in minute radiuses, but her control wasn't very advanced". She even struggled to stop or slow several objects in the Danger Room.