Juggernaut Vs Doomsday

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Why would it take him years to get back? The second DD hits him, Juggernaut brings up his shield and catches himself, he would barley be in orbit, if in orbit at all.

Juggernaut has Limitless Strength, so yes, He can match DD in that department.

And why would anyone put current Juggs up against DD, thats like putting jubilee up against him. When someone says Juggernaut on this forum 99% of the time its classic.

Because DD moves somewhat around lightspeed, that's why. Juggernaut still got normal human reflexes, a thought is said to travell 30 metres a sec. Light travells just a tip under 300 000 km / s. Like I said, Juggernaut would never have time to put his shield up before he would be flying.

When someone says, for example, "Superman vs. Thanos". It's normal to assume one is meaning that the fighters are CURRENT and NORMAL-powered incarnations of the fighters. You can't go on and make assumptions until the thread starter tells otherwise. Yet it wouldn't matter if it was the classic Juggernaut, he would never get a hand someone as fast as DD can potentially be. As stated everyone fights at best of their ability.

Originally posted by breeze85
Because DD moves somewhat around lightspeed, that's why. Juggernaut still got normal human reflexes, a thought is said to travell 30 metres a sec. Light travells just a tip under 300 000 km / s. Like I said, Juggernaut would never have time to put his shield up before he would be flying.

Could you please quote me where I said Juggernaut would stop DD initial charge, I didn't, matter of fact, I will quote what I said.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Why would it take him years to get back? The second DD hits him, Juggernaut brings up his shield and catches himself, he would barley be in orbit, if in orbit at all.

Ah, thats what I said, I Knew I didn't say Juggernaut would stop his initial speed Blitz. But like I said, He brings his shield up, survives re-entry, and the fight continues, only this Time Juggernaut has his shield up.

Also, I don't care if Juggernaut does happen to take a few hours, a few days, a few months, or a few years. LOOK

Leaving the field

Combatants who leave the field of combat on purpose forfeit the match. If they are removed from the arena against their will (being punched, thrown, teleported, etc.) and can make it back under their own power, then they are still in the fight. Obviously, if a combatant leaves the field and cannot return under their own power, then they have lost.

So again, the best either can hope for is a stalemate, and possibly a couple of kills, but not wins, by the Juggernaut thanks to his momentum sapping shield.

Wonder how bad my last paragraph will be twisted.

doomsday is a helluva lot more powerful than juggernaut. maybe eighth day juggernaut or classic juggernaut might take him.

Doomsday is also stronger than Classic Juggernaut.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
doomsday is a helluva lot more powerful than juggernaut. maybe eighth day juggernaut or classic juggernaut might take him.

This is classic, current gets Murdered.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Doomsday is also stronger than Classic Juggernaut.

Juggernaut has limitless Strength, DD has limitless Strength, so in essence, they are equal. 😕

There is still no evidence that Juggernaut has limitless strength all by himself. So he doesn't have it.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
There is still no evidence that Juggernaut has limitless strength all by himself. So he doesn't have it.

Whatever you say, your like the only person in the forum who hasnt accepted it yet.

juggernaut has 100+ strength, it doesn't mean he can move planets. he can get stronger, but he's never shown hulk-level feats. Dooms however, has shown feats making him stronger than superman.

Yeah ApolloKnight, I agree with you that stalemate is the best one is able to get (however, only Juggernaut receiving hits. He could never hit someone who is like millions of times faster than him). This is the case if it's classic Juggernaut DD is facing but like I said:

When someone says, for example, "Superman vs. Thanos". It's normal to assume one is meaning that the fighters are CURRENT and NORMAL-powered incarnations of the fighters. Not like it was Superman Prime and Thanos with the HOTU head to head. You can't go on and make assumptions until the thread starter tells otherwise.

Neither of Juggernaut or DD has limitless strength in the true meaning of the word.

no non-reality warper can have limitless strength, if they had "limiteless" strength, they could punch the air and destroy the universe.

Good!
So, we all agree.
Juggernaut would win. Excellent!

no. more like stalemate

It's a stalemate, but only because the rules don't allow TKO's.

Classic Juggernaut = stalemate, altough Juggernaut would never be able to hit DD and he would also be removed from the battlefield for years.

Current Juggernaut = R.I.P

That is silly. Are you saying that DD is never hit by guys that can't move at "Super-Speed"?
Is that what you are saying? I hope so,because it willmean you are wrong,and make it easy. DD has NEVER just run around like a super-fast sissy, and not been hit.
Juggernaut would hit him. A lot. As a matter of fact, after the first few times that DD saw his speedblitzes were losing their speed and momentum, he would be forced to try and muscle the situation.
Inevitably, this situation would slow down, no matter what.
And DD would definitely get hit. And, I would venture to say, that Juggernaut has punches that would be felt, and have serious effect against anybody. Period.
If his punches can hurt Hulk, Thor, Nightmare etc., they are gonna hurt DD. End of story.

Except that Juggernaut won't be able to sap his momentum. So DD can continue to speedblitz him for all eternity. Doomsday is also a hell of a lot stronger than juggernaut, since he's on Superman level or above.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Except that Juggernaut won't be able to sap his momentum. So DD can continue to speedblitz him for all eternity. Doomsday is also a hell of a lot stronger than juggernaut, since he's on Superman level or above.

OK. So, you are saying that, although the Cytorakk power is strong enough to hold Galactus, it isn't strong enough to effect DD? OK. So, now DD is more powerful that Galactus?
Wow.
Anyway, back to reality. The power used by Juggs can easily effect DD, and effect the outcome of the fight.
And, Although Juggs doesn't have the same types of feats, he has never been in the same situations.
Although, he has bested guys with incredible feats. So, we have to say that they fall to him. If he can beat a guy like the Hulk, with all his feats, then he should eb able to use that criteria for himself.
But, even if he can't, you still have to admit that the source of his power is limitless. An entire dimension of Uber-Mysci energy, at his disposal.
Come on now.
The only time he was ever really pushed, was against Nightmare. And, in that case, he was able to utilize pure hate with the Cytorakk power, becoming more powerful that an abstract entity, defying death, and doing the impossible.
Tada.

Originally posted by Horrificus
OK. So, you are saying that, although the Cytorakk power is strong enough to hold Galactus, it isn't strong enough to effect DD? OK. So, now DD is more powerful that Galactus?
Wow.
Anyway, back to reality. The power used by Juggs can easily effect DD, and effect the outcome of the fight.
And, Although Juggs doesn't have the same types of feats, he has never been in the same situations.
Although, he has bested guys with incredible feats. So, we have to say that they fall to him. If he can beat a guy like the Hulk, with all his feats, then he should eb able to use that criteria for himself.
But, even if he can't, you still have to admit that the source of his power is limitless. An entire dimension of Uber-Mysci energy, at his disposal.
Come on now.
The only time he was ever really pushed, was against Nightmare. And, in that case, he was able to utilize pure hate with the Cytorakk power, becoming more powerful that an abstract entity, defying death, and doing the impossible.
Tada.

No, I'm saying Juggernaut doesn't necessarily have all the power of Cyttorak, just a small part of it.

Juggernaut never defeated the hulk incarnation who has all the feats.

As stated in the forum rules, everyone fights AT THE BEST of his/hers ability. That certainly means DD will also use his maxium speed all the time -> Juggernaut will never touch him. Even if he fought at, lets say, 1/100 what he is capable of J would still never touch him. If he has never done so it doesn't mean he couldn't. I mean where is the fun when ones like Superman and DD would always use their maximum speed and usually end the fights instantly. However, here the "fun" is not an issue.

Oh and what comes to Cyttorak, Juggernaut isn't him nor as strong. So, now Juggernaut is more powerful than Galactus just because Cyttorak might be? Juggernaut just possesses a partion of the powers of Cyttorak or should I say DID possess. Juggernaut is said to be invulnerable, he has also been said to be unstoppable. Yet he has been stopped and even pushed backwards.

Juggernaut punches would have serious effects again anybody? Hmm, how come I can come up with quite a few that wouldn't be affected at all, definitely not SERIOUS.

stalemate, jugg won't even touch DD, and DD just won't be able to physically punch him to death, though he COULD incapatitate him.