Juggernaut Vs Doomsday

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Like I said, check the tourney thread. He used it agaisnt Thor.

the other one was when Cain was geting his powers back not him actually putting the shield up 😉

Yeah, but he needs to gain momentum first. By the time he has the chance, everyone has probably already moved on. Unless, ofcrourse, DD knocks him really, really far. Which is not out of the question, since he'll discover soon enough that Juggernaut can't be harmed through conventional phsyical means.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
😐 Thats a real googd debate 😆 😆

That's a real good counter argument 😉

Originally posted by Dinalfos
That's a real good counter argument 😉

Well my argument has already been stated, and you have nothing except "it didn't effect Thor much" after a scan of it completely stopping his hammer. Looks like your going to lose again 😉

Originally posted by newjak86
You do realize that they only used scans of him in the same comic simply saying nothing gets through my shield what they didn't tell you is that in a few oanels later is when Cain talks about his sheild halting the hammer right.

the other one was when Cain was geting his powers back not him actually putting the shield up 😉

So what your saying is DD throws Juggernaut outside of the planet far away without Cain realizing it and putting his sheild up 😕

Ýeah, I know. That's why I said that it apparantly makes a difference for the shield. I'm not, however, saying that it makes sense. Can you name me more instances where Juggernaut used the shield?

No, I'm saying he has to gain forward momentum first, right? I could be wrong about this, though. Enlighten me.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Well my argument has already been stated, and you have nothing except "it didn't effect Thor much" after a scan of it completely stopping his hammer. Looks like your going to lose again 😉

It would be a first, but okay. Anyway, since the shield stopped the hammer but not Thor.....

How many times has DD died since his first apperance?

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Ýeah, I know. That's why I said that it apparantly makes a difference for the shield. I'm not, however, saying that it makes sense. Can you name me more instances where Juggernaut used the shield?

No, I'm saying he has to gain forward momentum first, right? I could be wrong about this, though. Enlighten me.

No the shield isn't effected I think most of Cain's power its how he uses it for insance he could have just let the Hammer hit him and would have been fine but he made the Hammer slow down there is no disputing he did and mentions it there really isn't any room for interpretation.

Now when he puts his shield up he can use it as traction point to begin to walk back to earth

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Originally posted by newjak86
well yes he put it up to keep Spiderman from touching him.

No the shield isn't effected I think most of Cain's power its how he uses it for insance he could have just let the Hammer hit him and would have been fine but he made the Hammer slow down there is no disputing he did and mentions it there really isn't any room for interpretation.

Now when he puts his shield up he can use it as traction point to begin to walk back to earth

Okay. But if he put it up, wouldn't they mention the inertia sucking? I mean, if there's one occasion where it would be absolutely fitting to make a point about momentum sapping, it would be against someone who has vast combat speed.

I saw what happened, I'm not desputing anything. But what I saw was Thor going at it without slowing down. Apparantly, the writer doesn't feel the same way as you.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Okay. But if he put it up, wouldn't they mention the inertia sucking? I mean, if there's one occasion where it would be absolutely fitting to make a point about momentum sapping, it would be against someone who has vast combat speed.

I saw what happened, I'm not desputing anything. But what I saw was Thor going at it without slowing down. Apparantly, the writer doesn't feel the same way as you.

It has appeared solid but also like a bubble around.

Has also been in a bubble shape with momentum halting powers.

So it could be argued that he has different shields for different occassions that he can change around.

Classic Juggernaut was one of the biggest walking Plot devices of his day probably even more so then Doomsday's I'm gonna evlove past anything. Basically whatever cain needed to be competive he would showcase new powers and such sometimes.

if your talking about the original version of juggernaut....then i would have to say it's a draw

Originally posted by newjak86
Well when it somes to Juggs shield you've got to realize it has come in different shapes and sizes and effects.
It has appeared absolutly solid before and skin tight.

It has appeared solid but also like a bubble around.

Has also been in a bubble shape with momentum halting powers.

So it could be argued that he has different shields for different occassions that he can change around.

Classic Juggernaut was one of the biggest walking Plot devices of his day probably even more so then Doomsday's I'm gonna evlove past anything. Basically whatever cain needed to be competive he would showcase new powers and such sometimes.

I'm not denying all that. But the difference, I think, can be attributed more to different art styles than anything. Is there any actual proof?

Originally posted by Dinalfos
I'm not denying all that. But the difference, I think, can be attributed more to different art styles than anything. Is there any actual proof?

Originally posted by newjak86
It could be artistic style but that doesn't change what happens. what proof are asking for proof that he can change sheilds no I can't but the fact is his shield has been used fr different things and different sizes there isn'y much more you can sya other than the fact everyone is supported by on panel proof as shown.

But if Juggernaut wanted to hit Thor so badly, then why didn't he just use his shield in the same way?Either the shield wasn't sapping fast enough to keep up with Thor, or the shield doesn't affect him.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
But if Juggernaut wanted to hit Thor so badly, then why didn't he just use his shield in the same way?Either the shield wasn't sapping fast enough to keep up with Thor, or the shield doesn't affect him.

He did the samething with Siderman he didn't use the shield until he got tired of Peter touching him.

Originally posted by newjak86
Well its Classic Juggs he was on of the biggest victims of CIS in comics. He probably didn't bother using the shield because Thor couldn't hurt him anyways.

Alright, but that's not a true argument. The Thor incident happened only once, so it's really nothing to go by. Especially since he hasn't been seen to slow people down. It could be CIS, but so far there's nothing to indicate that. Not in the panels, but also not in the handbooks or anything.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Alright, but that's not a true argument. The Thor incident happened only once, so it's really nothing to go by. Especially since he hasn't been seen to slow people down. It could be CIS, but so far there's nothing to indicate that. Not in the panels, but also not in the handbooks or anything.

We have an example of him doing it on panel and even making mention of it. Its hard to say that he can't when he has shown that he can.

Especailly when looking at Cain and the raw power he possesses and the level of CIS he showed in those days.

Originally posted by newjak86
Well look at it this way.

We have an example of him doing it on panel and even making mention of it. Its hard to say that he can't when he has shown that he can.

Especailly when looking at Cain and the raw power he possesses and the level of CIS he showed in those days.

Newjack is right, Juggernaut is a walking CIS machine, if he fought to his full potential, do you know how many of marvels hero's would be dead right now?

Probably why they depowered him, its very hard to have Juggernaut show up in someones comic and have it be a good fight.

I would say DD is no less then Juggernaut, probably even more so with DD's powers.

DD seriously just mash's Juggernaut into the ground horribly or into Orbit.

Once again let Juggernaut spend 20 years digging out of the ground. Juggernaut doesn't use his shield often he's to dumb and arrogent. DD just wants to hurt and kill......................DD 9/10..............he slips and Juggs actually does something to stop him for 1 victory.

Originally posted by newjak86
Well look at it this way.

We have an example of him doing it on panel and even making mention of it. Its hard to say that he can't when he has shown that he can.

Especailly when looking at Cain and the raw power he possesses and the level of CIS he showed in those days.

He slowed the hammer down. But not Thor. That's what I see. Maybe a person must move in a certain way to be affected by the shield?

And many characters are victims of CIS or PIS, but those characters usually have lot of evidence of contrary situations. Juggernaut may have acted like an idiot, but there's simply no proof(that I know of!) that this extends to his shield. The only CIS we can be certain of is that he rarely uses the shield in the first place. Or that he acts like an idiot. The rest is pure speculation.