Originally posted by Jesse7
Reflex speed is this, surfer blast a cosmic blast at some one, that some one is able to see the cosmic blast and react to it, that is reaction speed. A prime example of this is SladeCombat speed is being able to move with agility at super speeds in close-med range without losing speed. Combat speed is also being able to punch 1000 times in under a second, a prime example of this would be Flash, Supes, Majestic, etc.
Here is SS reflex speed, seing hails of random meteorshowers lighyears away and avoid it without 1 touching him... Show me majistic punching 1000 times in under a second, i assure you he does not have such feats..
Tell me this, if Supes knocked SS off his board, do you think SS has a chance to defeat SS, shall I post scans of how slow SS is without his board? Shall I post scans of what happens to SS when is knocked off his board?
SS on straith line and sharp turns is a lot faster than Supes, how is Supes going to knock SS of his board, Supes might be below SS in combat speed but SS can outran supes.
secondly it didnt do SS much good in IC when he dashed for Thanos gauntlet did it? SS tends to suffer in performance when under stress.
How the heck did come into this conclution, he failed un appointed task does not mean he backles up to stressed, lets not forget Thanos was also powered up for that fight..
Usually the movement speed and the reflexes are on par in comic books.
Flash can achieve unbelievable speeds, that's why to him the world looks standing still since a certain point.
Silver Surfer can travel at warp speeds, that's why he can perceive the things around himself not only through common senses but through energy perception and why he can still think and react at such speeds, he's been adapted from Galactus.
Originally posted by Rols
Here is SS reflex speed, seing hails of random meteorshowers lighyears away and avoid it without 1 touching him... Show me majistic punching 1000 times in under a second, i assure you he does not have such feats..SS on straith line and sharp turns is a lot faster than Supes, how is Supes going to knock SS of his board, Supes might be below SS in combat speed but SS can outran supes.
How the heck did come into this conclution, he failed un appointed task does not mean he backles up to stressed, lets not forget Thanos was also powered up for that fight..
3rd line shows that you are a fan boy of silve surfer, makes no sense, and you've said ss is faster than superman in close combat when most people agree that isnt true... silver surfer has no chance in hell physically against supes, luckily he has the power cosmic to beat him but thats it, his speed only can get him so far with a character like supes
Speed blitzing is a moot point when it comes to the Silver Surfer. He has enhanced, cosmic perceptions, not to mention superhuman reflexes. He threads meteor showers easily at relative velocities. He dodges starship fire from entire fleets. He has the reflexes and powerset to counter a speed blitz. Therefore, a speed blitz or fast combat speeds aren't going to win the day against him, IMO.
The Silver Surfer is beyond any speed blitz. And I always wondered who came up with speed blitz. The only characters shown to be able to fight in combat at top tier speed have been the flashes and beings who are made of light like Monica Rambeau or The Ray or Nova. Any super being who can travel really fast has to slow down to fight effectively. Not super slow but not anywhere near thier top speed. Also, when someone fights using speed, they loose some impact to thier punches and heighten thier chances of missing or only landing glancing blows.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
The impact is only lost if they can't begin to approach light speed. If they can, the impact will be larger than normal.
Ok maybe I"m wrong, I was always under the assumption that anything traveling at light speed had to convert to light or something like that to be moving that fast and not destroy the atmosphere. Anything faster than light moves into the warp or hyper fields. With that being said, NO super beings other than the flashes should even be able to punch someone moving at Light Speed. The flashes have that cool aura thing that allows them to be part of the speed force and outside of it at the same time. I think the Runner had the same kind of power. THe fastest someone should be able to fight using super speed in an atmostphere should be the upper limit of the Machs. Escape Velocity if I'm correct. Someone who is into physics can probably tell us.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ok maybe I"m wrong, I was always under the assumption that anything traveling at light speed had to convert to light or something like that to be moving that fast and not destroy the atmosphere. Anything faster than light moves into the warp or hyper fields. With that being said, NO super beings other than the flashes should even be able to punch someone moving at Light Speed. The flashes have that cool aura thing that allows them to be part of the speed force and outside of it at the same time. I think the Runner had the same kind of power. THe fastest someone should be able to fight using super speed in an atmostphere should be the upper limit of the Machs. Escape Velocity if I'm correct. Someone who is into physics can probably tell us.
Correct. Any more and their speed would rip off the protective atmosphere, wasting the Earths surface.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Correct. Any more and their speed would rip off the protective atmosphere, wasting the Earths surface.
So from this point on, anyone arguing speed blitz must realize that if two beings who are both faster than escape velocity fight in the atmosphere, it doesn't matter if one is actually fater than the other beyond that point becuz niether could move much faster any way. Lest they destroy the planet. With that being said, super speed in combat is used correctly on Dragon ball z. they basically use super speed to fly after thier targets, hit them and then move to hit them again, or to deflect blows and rain down blows. If both targets are moving, they rarely duke it out while moving. Unless they are directly infront of each other, which would simulate them actually standing still. Combat Speed shoudl really go into the reflexes department.
Originally posted by MattDay
3rd line shows that you are a fan boy of silve surfer, makes no sense, and you've said ss is faster than superman in close combat when most people agree that isnt true... silver surfer has no chance in hell physically against supes, luckily he has the power cosmic to beat him but thats it, his speed only can get him so far with a character like supes
Admittedly i am a fan of SS but a fanboy dont think so. 2nd paragraph 3rd line was a sentence mistake, I meant to say SS combat speed is below Supes. In brute fight only way SS could probably take out Supes is hit and run tactics w/ PC blast.
Originally posted by MindshipAnd yet, there is so much the Surfer can and has done that seems to go ignored by Surfer haters. The Silver Surfer has demonstrated superhuman reflexes, people, both standing still and in flight on his board. He doesn't speed blitz, but he can sure as heck fly and dodge with the best of 'em when he wants to. Need I bring up the example when he dodged the Badoon's living, seeking rocket at relativistic velocities? Or dodged the barrage of a Shiar armada? Or was teleported into an asteriod swarm yet avoided every one? Or searched the earth for Namor and returned before Doc Strange could finish a sentence? That's not just straight line speed, folks, but superhuman speed, reflexes, and manueverability.
One would think that since the Surfer can augment his strength with PC, he should be able to augment his reflex/combat speeds as well. But then, there is so much the Surfer should be able to do, but doesn't. And this is because if he did, most fights would be over in a few panels.
ok, first off, you can't really bring actual physics theory into the comic world. it just doesn't really apply like it should.
but my main point is this. i have always been under the impression that if a character was capable of traveling at 300x the speed of light they undoubtedly had super reflexes, and were capable of using them. imagine going even 70 mph... if a ball rolled into the street, you would be hard pressed to avoid hitting it. i understand that i just stated that physics dont really apply in comics, but i think you'll agree that this makes sense. in combat, the same reflexes used in high speed travel, should be applicable. in theory, if a character can avoid hitting an object while traveling at 300x light speed, the same character should be able to avoid being hit by anything traveling at that speed toward him, as long as he was aware of it.
and surfer is a constant victim of pis... he is sort of easy to look at and poke holes through. but thats my 2 cents.
Originally posted by thedude1948
That is a horrible example, Odins speed has no relevance on the speed of his energy blast. That just shows he has good aim.
Im sorry but I'm going to have to call you on that one, you can hit something moving at "light speed" if you are not moving at "light speed" yourself, no matter how good your aim is, and another thing, the SS doesn't have very good reaction time compared to characters such as Superman or Majestic, or somone like that, he theoretically moves at lightspeed, but yet he can be K.O.ed by Thanos... I don't get it.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ok maybe I"m wrong, I was always under the assumption that anything traveling at light speed had to convert to light or something like that to be moving that fast and not destroy the atmosphere. Anything faster than light moves into the warp or hyper fields. With that being said, NO super beings other than the flashes should even be able to punch someone moving at Light Speed. The flashes have that cool aura thing that allows them to be part of the speed force and outside of it at the same time. I think the Runner had the same kind of power. THe fastest someone should be able to fight using super speed in an atmostphere should be the upper limit of the Machs. Escape Velocity if I'm correct. Someone who is into physics can probably tell us.
If the Flashes are the only ones who can use the speed force, then how come in Infinite Crisis, Superboy-Prime speed blitzed them while in speed force usage. So if he can do that, then imagine what he could do to Surfer.