Originally posted by Rols
The fact that SS manipulate on a grand scale. Ie; planetary and thousand years in future, imbue strength, not only matter but time as well... etc, etc.
Erads can do grand scale as well and he's done more complex manipulation from what's been shown.
I've never been convinced about the time thing, it's not inherent to his abilities like say Waverider for instance. 1 scan of his falling through time without even showing HOW it happened isn't proof.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Erads can do grand scale as well and he's done more complex manipulation from what's been shown.I've never been convinced about the time thing, it's not inherent to his abilities like say Waverider for instance. 1 scan of his falling through time without even showing HOW it happened isn't proof.
Complex SS has done as well, grand scale meaning planetary evolution; supposedly evolving it a few thousand years in future as if normally but in an instant, time manipulation there a few hes done it without using SofL, manipulate Chronal energies and goes back in the 50's, see past future events (precog thorough manipulating time). there more too just cant think right now.
Originally posted by Rols
Complex SS has done as well, grand scale meaning planetary evolution; supposedly evolving it a few thousand years in future as if normally but in an instant, time manipulation there a few hes done it without using SofL, manipulate Chronal energies and goes back in the 50's, see past future events (precog thorough manipulating time). there more too just cant think right now.
Planetary manipulation is not a problem. Erads has done it to the whole Daxamite population, the Kryptonian population and was going to turn earth into the new krypton.
The problem here is that Eradicator has Surfers abilities in addition to Supermans.
Overall, they would probably stalemate seeing that they are 90% the same character.
Powerset-wise people don't see Supes as much but a brick that can shoot lasers, but Supes is so much more than that, in actual combat. On paper, it looks like heralds should be able to beat him, but the simple truth of it is, Supes has smashed characters in that league, the league above it, and the league above that. And fairly consistantly, once he gets his bearings. And until he does that, he just takes all the punishment on purpose... and yes, that is on panel truth. But no matter how many times he does it, it's "PIS". So its just much easier to say,...winning is one of Supes' powers [as far as the comics go.]. 😉
Originally posted by JuntaiI suppose Darkseid would be such an example?
Powerset-wise people don't see Supes as much but a brick that can shoot lasers, but Supes is so much more than that, in actual combat. On paper, it looks like heralds should be able to beat him, but the simple truth of it is, Supes has smashed characters in that league, the league above it, and the league above that. And fairly consistantly, once he gets his bearings. And until he does that, he just takes all the punishment on purpose... and yes, that is on panel truth. But no matter how many times he does it, it's "PIS". So its just much easier to say,...winning is one of Supes' powers [as far as the comics go.]. 😉
I understand what you are saying and I agree that Superman is much more than a Brick with Laser Eyes, however it still seems a bit PISsy when guys with powersets equal or greater than Supes (Darkseid, Orion, Eradicator) easily job to him. If it isn't PIS, then why does it seem that Superman suddenly "decides" to use his full strength (or develops new powers such as rubbing his hands together real quick), while his opponents forget that they even have powers? That sounds like a logical disconnect, Juntai. That sounds like jobbing.
Originally posted by AcrosurgeYou gotta remember, a decent chunk of Supes' rogues gallery is herald or skyfather level and some reaching higher.
I suppose Darkseid would be such an example?I understand what you are saying and I agree that Superman is much more than a Brick with Laser Eyes, however it still seems a bit PISsy when guys with powersets equal or greater than Supes (Darkseid, Orion, Eradicator) easily job to him. If it isn't PIS, then why does it seem that Superman suddenly "decides" to use his full strength (or develops new powers such as rubbing his hands together real quick), while his opponents forget that they even have powers? That sounds like a logical disconnect, Juntai. That sounds like jobbing.
A lot of the people Supes does beat, CAN beat him, but just all the same, Supes in full on mode is a League of One and he can and certainly has beat most everyone there is to beat. The proof is in the panels.
Originally posted by JuntaiI've seen and acknowledge that it exists, just as I acknowledge that Cap and Batman will humble folks way beyond their mortal capabilities (or Spidey vs Firelord if you like).
You gotta remember, a decent chunk of Supes' rogues gallery is herald or skyfather level and some reaching higher.A lot of the people Supes does beat, CAN beat him, but just all the same, Supes in full on mode is a League of One and he can and certainly has beat most everyone there is to beat. The proof is in the panels.
PIS/CIS happens. Consistent Jobber auras exist (Wolverine, Punisher, Batman). If anyone is entitled to an uber-jobber aura, I'd say Supes is the guy, being the first superhero of the modern era.
Ugh. I've taken us way off topic. Sorry about that.
Originally posted by Acrosurge
That does seem suspect. Why doesn't Erads simply create a kryptonite weapon when fighting Supes?
It's funny that you mention that...I used to wonder the same thing since Eradicator, Darkseid, and Cyborg all easily have that ability.
Then Lex tried it in a Kryptonian battle cruiser and still lost and that was a ridiculously overpowered ship.
Supergirl also recently fought a man made out of kryptonite and didn't have too much trouble with him.
Kryp isn't what is used to be...lol