NJO Luke vs. Nihilus . . . DESCRIPTION INSIDE.

Originally posted by Spartan ll
Notice the word 'cut' ,in your sentence.It means it has never happened,nor willl it happen in the SW Universe.In other words,it's not canon.

Luke cuts himself off from the Froce in the first three and subsequently beats Nihilus,and proceeds to PWN Nihilus in saber combat.

However I'm pretty sure that it is an accurate display of Nihilus' powers. So Luke wouldn't be quick enough to pull anything like that off - Nihilus' attack was absolutely instant - and I doubt Luke by NJO would be able to defend against it. I mean he would have to block a storm of lightning, resist TK and defend against N's force drain all at once - Luke isn't that good.

OH NO U DID NOT JUST SAY THAT

Originally posted by Sith'ari
However I'm pretty sure that it is an accurate display of Nihilus' powers. So Luke wouldn't be quick enough to pull anything like that off - Nihilus' attack was absolutely instant - and I doubt Luke by NJO would be able to defend against it. I mean he would have to block a storm of lightning, resist TK and defend against N's force drain all at once - Luke isn't that good.

Are you retarded? Sama has drilled this into your head so many times yet you refuse to listen. LUKE CAN REMOVE HIMSELF FROM THE FORCE. ERGO, NIHILUS IS POWERLESS AGAINST HIM. BY NJO LUKE IS A FORCE GOD.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Are you retarded? Sama has drilled this into your head so many times yet you refuse to listen. LUKE CAN REMOVE HIMSELF FROM THE FORCE. ERGO, NIHILUS IS POWERLESS AGAINST HIM. BY NJO LUKE IS A FORCE GOD.

Luke cannot do this instantly. Nihilus can perform his attack instantly. And what are you talking about? Mokoto hasen't once 'drilled this into [my] head'.

Oh yea? She never told you that Nihilus won't be able to use his attack because Luke can remove himself from the force? Not to mention Luke's instakill is also instant.

'Oh yea? She never told you that Nihilus won't be able to use his attack because Luke can remove himself from the force?'

Nope. We never got into a debate about it.

'Not to mention Luke's instakill is also instant.'

imo, Nihilus would pull his off first. I'm not saying that he's definitely faster, but Nihilus relies on his technique and would use it as soon as possible, while Luke would likely take a moment to observe his opponent before acting.

Originally posted by Sith'ari
[B]However I'm pretty sure that it is an accurate display of Nihilus' powers.

So Luke wouldn't be quick enough to pull anything like that off

- Nihilus' attack was absolutely instant

It doesn't matter what you're 'pretty sure' about.It was cut.It's not canon,therefore it can't be used in this debate because it has no relevance.

- and I doubt Luke by NJO would be able to defend against it. I mean he would have to block a storm of lightning, resist TK and defend against N's force drain all at once - Luke isn't that good.

'It doesn't matter what you're 'pretty sure' about.It was cut.It's not canon,therefore it can't be used in this debate because it has no relevance.'

However it is a good indication of how powerful the game developers intended Nihilus to be.

'How do you know?Last time I checked,you weren't exactly the Official Source for Canon.And you have no proof that he won't pull it off instantly'

Is the process not a slowish one - not instant? I think you'll find it would take longer to pull off than it would take for Nihilus to pull off his attack, Mysterious dude.

'And even so,it wasn't 'instant'.Sion actually ran up to him before Nihilus had the chance to pull it out.How do I know?I just watched the video.'

He turns around and instantly pulls it off (as instant as Yoda force pushes Palps in ROTS for instance).

'That is biggest load of BS I have ever heard.You're saying Nihilus can use lightning,drain and TK(Which last time I checked,is a more powerful version of drain,which means that he would only have to defend against lightning and Nihilus drain technique,if that scene was canon.) at the same time,and you are basing it off of a cut content?'

Yes, I am going under the assumption that the cut content is a good indication of how powerful he is. And wtf are you talking about? Since when was TK a more powerful version of force drain, dumbo.

'And even then,Luke won't just 'study' Nihilus,he knows a threat when he sees one.He'll cut himself off from the Force,then pull out his Emerald Lightning,and Nihilus will be dead on the ground.'

That's assuming that he can cut himself from the force before Nihilus can wtfpwn him. And how exactly would Luke sense that Nihilus is such a big threat? By his appearence?

Originally posted by Sith'ari
[B]'It doesn't matter what you're 'pretty sure' about.It was cut.It's not canon,therefore it can't be used in this debate because it has no relevance.'

However it is a good indication of how powerful the game developers intended Nihilus to be.

'How do you know?Last time I checked,you weren't exactly the Official Source for Canon.And you have no proof that he won't pull it off instantly'

Is the process not a slowish one - not instant? I think you'll find it would take longer to pull off than it would take for Nihilus to pull off his attack, Mysterious dude.

'And even so,it wasn't 'instant'.Sion actually ran up to him before Nihilus had the chance to pull it out.How do I know?I just watched the video.'

He turns around and instantly pulls it off (as instant as Yoda force pushes Palps in ROTS for instance).

'That is biggest load of BS I have ever heard.You're saying Nihilus can use lightning,drain and TK(Which last time I checked,is a more powerful version of drain,which means that he would only have to defend against lightning and Nihilus drain technique,if that scene was canon.) at the same time,and you are basing it off of a cut content?'

Yes, I am going under the assumption that the cut content is a good indication of how powerful he is. And wtf are you talking about? Since when was TK a more powerful version of force drain, dumbo.

'And even then,Luke won't just 'study' Nihilus,he knows a threat when he sees one.He'll cut himself off from the Force,then pull out his Emerald Lightning,and Nihilus will be dead on the ground.'

That's assuming that he can cut himself from the force before Nihilus can wtfpwn him. And how exactly would Luke sense that Nihilus is such a big threat? By his appearence?

'Keyword here,is 'intended'.Either way,it has no relevance.'

You have your beliefs, I have mine.

'Show me where it says it takes a long time for him to break himself off from the Force,a canon source this time.'

It's been a while since I read the book where he performs the action. However I got the impression that it was a slowish process. Maybe you could give me the page number so I could refresh my memory. It's also funny how you are not proving otherwise.

'If it was instant,than Sion would've been on the ground before he knew what hit him.It wasn't instant.'

He raises his hand, and he instantly pulls off the attack.

'Uh,last time I checked,Nihilus TK technique DRAINS the Force from the person he is using it against,exactly like Force Drain,but more powerful'

Please, explain what you are chatting about? FYI, TK = telekinesis.

'And by his Force power alone,Luke would recognize Nihilus is a threat,just like he did Palpatine.'

Nihilus holds no presence in the force...

hmm ur weird quoting talk is freaking me out lol

Originally posted by Sith'ari
'Keyword here,is 'intended'.Either way,it has no relevance.'

You have your beliefs, I have mine.

'Show me where it says it takes a long time for him to break himself off from the Force,a canon source this time.'

It's been a while since I read the book where he performs the action. However I got the impression that it was a slowish process. Maybe you could give me the page number so I could refresh my memory.

'If it was instant,than Sion would've been on the ground before he knew what hit him.It wasn't instant.'

He raises his hand, and he instantly pulls off the attack.

'Uh,last time I checked,Nihilus TK technique DRAINS the Force from the person he is using it against,exactly like Force Drain,but more powerful'

Please, explain what you are chatting about? FYI, TK = telekinesis.

'And by his Force power alone,Luke would recognize Nihilus is a threat,just like he did Palpatine.'

Nihilus holds no presence in the force...

EDIT:And it's also funny that you are using your opinion on CUT CONTENT THAT ISN'T CANON to back up your claims,and asking me to provide proof that Luke's Force Seperate Technique takes a long time to work, for you ,when you have to provide it yourself.

'Then this debate is over,since you clearly are not debating,you are nearly using your own opinion.'

No. Not my opinion, the intention of the game developers.

'Nope.That's not the way it goes.YOU are the one who has to provide proof to back up YOUR claims,I'm not doing it for you.'

Well I clearly can't, because I have no idea which page it is on. And also, wasn't your claim that he would be able to perform said attack before Nihilus could pull his off. Proof please.

'No,watch the movie again.He has to turn around THEN perform it,which gives Sion enough time to run to him face to face.'

Turning around is not part of the action. The attack itself is instant.

'Telekinesis?WTF?Nhilus cannot pull that off while using lightning at the same time.'

He does so in the cut content.

'You are overestimating Nihilus.Ad everyone knows that you are a fanboy about Revan and all the Sith around that time.'

This is irrelevant. My fanboyish days are also behind me. And everyone knows that you are a Luke fanboy.

'Proof?'

He's a hole in the force...

'EDIT:And it's also funny that you are using your opinion on CUT CONTENT THAT ISN'T CANON to back up your claims,and asking me to provide proof that Luke's Force Seperate Technique takes a long time to work, for you ,when you have to provide it yourself.'

Cut content that easily gives you an idea of what could have happened if the plot line followed that course - it is clearly how Nihilus is intended to be.

Originally posted by Sith'ari
[B]'Then this debate is over,since you clearly are not debating,you are nearly using your own opinion.'

No. Not my opinion, the intention of the game developers.

'Nope.That's not the way it goes.YOU are the one who has to provide proof to back up YOUR claims,I'm not doing it for you.'

Well I clearly can't, because I have no idea which page it is on. And also, wasn't your claim that he would be able to perform said attack before Nihilus could pull his off. Proof please.

'No,watch the movie again.He has to turn around THEN perform it,which gives Sion enough time to run to him face to face.'

Turning around is not part of the action. The attack itself is instant.

'Telekinesis?WTF?Nhilus cannot pull that off while using lightning at the same time.'

He does so in the cut content.

'You are overestimating Nihilus.Ad everyone knows that you are a fanboy about Revan and all the Sith around that time.'

This is irrelevant. My fanboyish days are also behind me. And everyone knows that you are a Luke fanboy.

'Proof?'

He's a hole in the force...

2.CANON Proof?Besides your own opinion?

Originally posted by Sith'ari
'EDIT:And it's also funny that you are using your opinion on CUT CONTENT THAT ISN'T CANON to back up your claims,and asking me to provide proof that Luke's Force Seperate Technique takes a long time to work, for you ,when you have to provide it yourself.'

Cut content that easily gives you an idea of what could have happened if the plot line followed that course - it is clearly how Nihilus is intended to be.

'..which means jack shit.Intentions are different from actually putting it in the game and making it canon,which that scene clearly is not.'

It was cut at the last moment due to time restrictions and neither does it grossly contradict anything. I think it counts.

'Nope,not the way it works.YOU were the one who has to provide proof to YOUR claims,not me.And until I see that proof,your point is moot.'

Dude, you seriously miss the point. You made claims, as well as I did, so it is also up to you to provide proof to your claims, otherwise we are stuck on the matter.

'Yes,it is.The only time the attack itself is instant,is when Nihilus turns around to use it.'

No, it is not. He turns around, and then pulls off the attack, which is instant. By your logic, a force push isn't an instant attack because it requires the user to raise their hand (at least when the PT Jedi use it) to perform it.

'When?And again,cut cintent is NOT CANON.Stop using it to support your arguments when you know aswell as I do that it means jack shit.'

1. He drains and electrocutes him at the same time, and then force pulls him closer for more impact.

2. I've already addressed this point.

'1.Not from what Ive seen in the 'Ancient Sith' thread.And true,but at least I actually provide SOLID proof to my arguments when I fight for Luke,not cut content which isn't canon,and know and admit, when I am beaten.

2.CANON Proof?Besides your own opinion?'

1. Where have I displayed fanboyism in the Ancient Sith thread. I was very objective in that thread, and it's not like I'm exactly the biggest Ragnos fanboy.

2. This is common knowledge. It's not my fault you don't know jack.

HAHAHAHHAHA fools forgot that nihilus abosrbs the force? force attacks W/E he abosrbs anything to do with the force u fools. FAN BASED luke skywalker jack sh!t you know what? im a fanboy of luke skywalker and how that hell is he gonna pull of his powers when already nihilus attack is instant? it doesnt matter if luke strikes first why? because he abosorbs and consumes the force so how

is luke gonna kill him? lightsaber combat, no way he can do it with the force

heh it is canon but Obsidian never had the time nor money to put that scene in, want to know the cold hard proof? go visit their website

Originally posted by Sith'ari
'..which means jack shit.Intentions are different from actually putting it in the game and making it canon,which that scene clearly is not.'

It was cut at the last moment due to time restrictions and neither does it grossly contradict anything. I think it counts.

'Nope,not the way it works.YOU were the one who has to provide proof to YOUR claims,not me.And until I see that proof,your point is moot.'

Dude, you seriously miss the point. You made claims, as well as I did, so it is also up to you to provide proof to your claims, otherwise we are stuck on the matter.

'Yes,it is.The only time the attack itself is instant,is when Nihilus turns around to use it.'

No, it is not. He turns around, and then pulls off the attack, which is instant. By your logic, a force push isn't an instant attack because it requires the user to raise their hand (at least when the PT Jedi use it) to perform it.[/QUOTE]It's not by MY logic,it common logic.If Nihilus had been facing Sion before he used the attack,THEN it wouldve been instant,either way,it isn't canon,and has no relevance.

'When?And again,cut content is NOT CANON.Stop using it to support your arguments when you know aswell as I do that it means jack shit.'

1. He drains and electrocutes him at the same time, and then force pulls him closer for more impact.

2. I've already addressed this point.[/QUOTE]
1.True

2.It doesn't matter,YOU aren't a canon source,YOUR'S and MY opinions,don't matter.It was cut from the final game,it is not canon,unless it was in the final game,which it wasn't.

'1.Not from what Ive seen in the 'Ancient Sith' thread.And true,but at least I actually provide SOLID proof to my arguments when I fight for Luke,not cut content which isn't canon,and know and admit, when I am beaten.

2.CANON Proof?Besides your own opinion?'

1. Where have I displayed fanboyism in the Ancient Sith thread. I was very objective in that thread, and it's not like I'm exactly the biggest Ragnos fanboy.

2. This is common knowledge. It's not my fault you don't know jack. [/B]

2.No,it isn't.Show me a canon source where it states this.